phil882 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 My rough call. Likely this will come down to nowcasting for western NC mountains after midnight, as its a close call. Theres big bust potential in the mountains and maybe even western Foothills during the pre-dawn Sunday morning event, as either option could occur: precip arrives mainly as snow, and pick up 2 to 5" by early Morning, or the bulk is rain or mix, only ending as snow toward dawn. Eventually the changeover will arrive while some good precip rates are still occuring, before the wrap around and upslope, which still looks impressive. For the areas west of the Apps and south toward northern ATL burbs, some snow showers should easily make it that far south during Sunday afternoon and overnight, with a few spots picking up dustings north of town. More duration snow showers along the NC/GA border counties for possible 1" accumulations , scattered among the dustings that occur. Upslope potential is high with this, good duration of 36 hours should be easily achievable with high ratios, so I have no doubt parts of Avery and Watauga will get atleast 12" , with 6" -12" also fairly common in the southwest Smokies along the TN/NC border. Several bands of streamers with white out and blizzard conditions at times in the high country. Are those 4" amounts you have in WNC elevation dependent? I still have a hard time seeing downtown Asheville or even the airport getting anything other than rain for the synoptic portion of the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEGa Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 sure is. GFS is very cold for you too, at the surface. As usual its a close call between 32 and 33 for your area, but something other than rain is possible around your neck of the woods. 850 6Z Sun: 2M temps 12z Sun: thanks, and thanks for the maps! those do look pretty good for ne ga...and you are right, its usually a close call. for a while the close calls went the colder route. the last couple of years, with one or two exceptions, its been the 33 and rain (or worse literally 32.1 and rain lol). when i first moved back and it was almost always colder for quite a few years i think i got spoiled. then the last two or three years squashed the optimism this one is tough since a degree or two either way will make a huge difference for quite a few of us. at least the waiting is going to be over soon and the event, whichever way it goes, should kick in later tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoothillsNC Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Are those 4" amounts you have in WNC elevation dependent? I still have a hard time seeing downtown Asheville or even the airport getting anything other than rain for the synoptic portion of the event. I tried to spell out what I think *could* happen. Covering all the bases , If you read it I think in the text I put that bust potential is very high, and the precip could start as rain, remain mostly rain, or start as rain and go quickly to snow. If the latter happens then there would be accums. Even Asheville. I'm not sure that will happen but I just covered the bases. There may be no prefrontal snow there, just all backend stuff which would cut down to near nothing. Sounds like you feel pretty strongly AVL won't get snow on the front side, You may be right. I just like making calls if its right, oh well , if not, it won't be the first bust for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Thanks for your response. Sounds like we have something to look foward to. I have heard that GSP is one of the hardest offices to forecast in because of all the microclimates in the mnts. would you agree with this? It can be demanding at times with the many variable interactions to consider. The mountains create all sorts of challenges...from flooding to temps to p-types to vsby/cigs to svr wx to fire wx to wind flow...you name it. The mountains also make it difficult to forecast across the adjacent non/mtns. Rarely do we get a classical looking systems (svr or winter) and even benign looking events can become tricky and hard to nowcast for across the piedmont. It also doesn't help we have 3 states to fcst for...this produces additional fcst coordination issues with fire wx, aviation and decision support, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nchighcountrywx Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 If I'm looking at this sounding, where's my snow growth layer?: Date: 42 hour AVN valid 6Z MON 13 DEC 10 Station: 35.31,-81.23 Latitude: 35.31 Longitude: -81.23 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LEV PRES HGHT TEMP DEWP RH DD WETB DIR SPD THETA THE-V THE-W THE-E W mb m C C % C C deg knt K K K K g/kg ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0 1000 -13 SFC 967 254 -4.1 -6.0 86 2.0 -4.7 233 13 271.7 272.1 270.3 278.6 2.52 2 950 393 -4.4 -7.2 81 2.7 -5.4 240 23 272.7 273.1 270.6 279.1 2.34 3 900 819 -5.3 -10.0 69 4.7 -6.7 269 26 276.1 276.4 272.1 281.7 1.98 4 850 1265 -8.0 -11.4 76 3.4 -9.0 290 37 277.8 278.1 273.0 283.1 1.88 5 800 1734 -10.0 -13.9 74 3.8 -11.1 296 37 280.4 280.7 274.1 285.2 1.63 6 750 2229 -13.1 -16.6 75 3.4 -14.0 296 34 282.3 282.6 274.8 286.4 1.40 7 700 2750 -17.5 -18.9 88 1.4 -17.8 294 34 283.2 283.4 275.0 286.8 1.23 8 650 3302 -19.7 -20.9 90 1.2 -19.9 281 30 286.7 286.9 276.7 290.1 1.12 9 600 3895 -21.3 -23.9 80 2.5 -21.8 268 32 291.4 291.6 278.7 294.3 0.93 10 550 4531 -25.5 -28.3 77 2.8 -25.9 261 38 293.8 293.9 279.5 295.9 0.67 11 500 5215 -30.8 -34.0 73 3.2 -31.2 259 44 295.5 295.5 280.0 296.9 0.43 12 450 5954 -36.4 -40.5 66 4.1 -36.7 259 49 297.4 297.5 280.6 298.3 0.25 13 400 6761 -40.8 -47.5 48 6.7 -41.1 257 53 301.9 302.0 282.4 302.4 0.13 14 350 7666 -42.4 -54.8 24 12.5 -42.9 257 55 311.6 311.6 286.0 311.8 0.06 15 300 8709 -41.1 -61.3 9 20.2 -41.8 251 44 327.5 327.5 291.0 327.6 0.03 16 250 9940 -44.0 -63.1 10 19.2 -44.6 240 45 340.7 340.7 294.5 340.8 0.03 17 200 11427 -47.1 -67.0 9 19.8 -47.7 238 47 358.2 358.2 298.4 358.3 0.02 18 150 13315 -49.6 -76.0 3 26.4 -50.3 247 51 384.5 384.5 303.0 384.6 0.01 19 100 15951 -53.7 -82.5 2 28.8 -54.3 238 41 424.0 424.0 308.2 424.0 0.00 TRP 0 WND 0 If that were my sounding, I'd want to see levels 6, 7 and 8 saturated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Not bad! I know your likely not at work right now but do you think we might be getting anything similar SLR wise with this event? I think Dr. Perry and Dr. Miller are gonna be launching weather balloons from both Poga Mountain and Warren Wilson College so it will be nice to have the added soundings to help out with this event. It seems that the valleys generally do better in regards to snowfall with these colder NWFS events. Yeah, I'll be interested in seeing those soundings too. This airmass isn't as cold as the last one...but I bet B. Perry still gets high SLRs, probably not the 40:1s but I imagine 30:1 will happen. We need a better way to get these type of ratios in our grids. Right now...we can generally only go up to 25:1...and then the sn amounts need to be tweaked. But overall...we really need to start thinking these higher amounts given these types of nw flow air masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil882 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I tried to spell out what I think *could* happen. Covering all the bases , If you read it I think in the text I put that bust potential is very high, and the precip could start as rain, remain mostly rain, or start as rain and go quickly to snow. If the latter happens then there would be accums. Even Asheville. I'm not sure that will happen but I just covered the bases. There may be no prefrontal snow there, just all backend stuff which would cut down to near nothing. Sounds like you feel pretty strongly AVL won't get snow on the front side, You may be right. I just like making calls if its right, oh well , if not, it won't be the first bust for me. Fair enough... Its definitely a borderline event and I'd love for your map to verify . I'm just feel like knowing these events from the past, its very difficult to get accumulating snowfall from a surface low pressure located to our north until the frontal passage occurs. Even last year on February 10th, we were expecting to pick up some snowfall from the pre-frontal band and it managed to warm up overnight above freezing with rain in Asheville. The 500mb setup for that system is actually quite similar to what we have now, except the current system is a bit larger and has picked up more gulf moisture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoothillsNC Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 This airmass isn't as cold as the last one... The GFS has it pretty close to the last one it appears if not even colder, roughly for the same region of the Carolinas. This time it looks even colder on the eastern Tenn . side of the mountains. By 66 and 72 hours it has -18 close to -20 coming into nw NC. It may be over done on the cold, who knows. Dec 6-7 Cold: Dec 13-14 prog: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1122 Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 First Winter Storm Warnings have been issued by Nashville NWS for their Central and Northern Plateau counties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weather Czar Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Just going off 850 temps the Canadian implies all snow for extrem western NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaculaWeather Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 This looks encouraging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoothillsNC Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Just going off 850 temps the Canadian implies all snow for extrem western NC. I'm not very fond of the Canadian but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 The GFS has it pretty close to the last one it appears if not even colder, roughly for the same region of the Carolinas. This time it looks even colder on the eastern Tenn . side of the mountains. By 66 and 72 hours it has -18 close to -20 coming into nw NC. It y be over done on the cold, who knows. The GFS was the colder outlier this morning. Not supported by the SREF, EC or the NAM. In any case...it's a nice cA airmass and SLRs should be rather high towards the end of the event like the previous event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoothillsNC Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 The GFS was the colder outlier this morning. Not supported by the SREF, EC or the NAM. In any case...it's a nice cA airmass and SLRs should be rather high towards the end of the event like the previous event. Ah, I thought you guys weren't going for the colder GFS. I will say the op. GFS was very accurate from 72 hours out on the big cold events here though, both last year and so far this year. The Euro has been a smidge warmer, and ensembles more tame as well. Guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isohume Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Ah, I thought you guys weren't going for the colder GFS. I will say the op. GFS was very accurate from 72 hours out on the big cold events here though, both last year and so far this year. The Euro has been a smidge warmer, and ensembles more tame as well. Guess we'll see. We're not...it's the obvious outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneTracker Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Yea the 06z nam was a snow run for KAVL. BUFKIT had heavy snow with an isothermal sounding at 11z on the 06z run. The 12z nam run is warmer by about 1 degree C which is just enough to have mainly rain for the synoptic portion of this event. Its only about a 5,000ft layer warm nose. I don't know how far snowfall can fall before it melts into rain, but I imagine a 5,000 foot layer of 33-34 degree temperatures is not that deep. the 12Z NAM has Asheville going isothermal around 09Z Sunday morning, then maybe wavering to rain/snow mix before becoming all snow again by 15Z. GFS is eerily similar in the sounding data, except that at 09-15Z it keeps it all snow and never really changes it back to rain. THIS COULD BE VERY INTERESTING!! Foothills may very well verify with his snow pre-frontal precipitation forecast. Oh, and I would definitely have and Advisory for all WNC counties regardless of elevation. The grocery stores and gas stations are jammed around here - most seem to be preparing for something worse than the current forecast/wording from GSP suggests... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneTracker Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Are those 4" amounts you have in WNC elevation dependent? I still have a hard time seeing downtown Asheville or even the airport getting anything other than rain for the synoptic portion of the event. After examining the respective 12Z data from GFS and NAM, I disagree. In my opinion, it should start as snow, change to rain, and then end as snow. Should be enough for at least an inch or so at the valley floors before the upslope begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoothillsNC Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 We're not...it's the obvious outlier. Actually, looks like its pretty remarkably close to the Ukmet and op. ECMWF as well. All the models I'm seeing show this outbreak equally as cold, if not substantially colder for western NC mountains on this upslope, and def. on the Tennessee side. Should be some great powder with extreme ratios again. A sneak peak at the new 12Z Euro has -16 in nw NC at 66 and 72 hours. Not bad at all.(and was too warm on the last outbreak) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaculaWeather Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I think I see an eyewall forming in Iowa!!! http://www.daculawea...onal_master.php MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 2121NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK0146 PM CST SAT DEC 11 2010AREAS AFFECTED...NE IA...SE MN...CNTRL WI CONCERNING...HEAVY SNOW VALID 111946Z - 120145Z HEAVY SNOW BANDS WILL INCREASE THROUGH MID-EVENING FROM NE IA INTOCNTRL WI. HOURLY RATES WILL AVERAGE 1-1.5 INCHES.4-5MB PRESSURE FALLS OVER NRN IL SUGGEST THAT THE SFC LOW WILL DEVELOP ALONG THE WI/IL BORDER THROUGH 03Z. SUBSTANTIAL WARM CONVEYOR E OF THE CYCLONE WILL CONTINUE TO TRANSPORT 2-3 G/KG MIXING RATIO NWWD INTO THE UPPER MS VLY WITHIN THE 295-300K LAYER. THIS WILL RESULT IN RATHER WIDESPREAD MODERATE-HEAVY SNOWFALL OVER AN EXPANSIVE AREA THROUGH THE EVENING.LATEST RUC/SREF GUIDANCE SUGGESTS THAT MAXIMUM IN PRESSUREA DVECTION/ADIABATIC ASCENT WILL SLOWLY SHIFT SEWD FROM THE MSP/EAUAR EAS INTO NE IA...SE MN AND CNTRL WI BY THIS EVENING. THIS SEEMS REASONABLE AS LATEST SATELLITE/RADAR APPEAR TO BE SHOWING A SECONDARY ENHANCED SNOW AXIS BEGINNING TO FORM KMCW-KLSE-KAUW. PIVOT POINT OF THE PROLONGED HEAVY SNOW RATES SHOULD DEVELOPSOMEWHERE NEAR/NW OF KLSE THIS EVENING BEFORE MIGRATING FARTHER EAFTER 03Z OR SO. TOPOGRAPHY OF THE POTENTIAL TEMPERATURE SURFACES/FRONTOGENESIS ALSO SUGGEST THAT AT LEAST MODERATE SNOWFALLRATES COULD EXTEND SWWD INTO CNTRL IA THROUGH LATE EVENING.ADDITIONALLY...BLIZZARD OVER THE OPEN COUNTRY OF SCNTRL/SWRN MN ANDWRN IA WILL SPREAD EWD. PRESSURE FALL/RISE COUPLET WILL DEVELOP EWDTHROUGH IA WITH NLY LOW-LEVEL FLOW INCREASING TO 35-45 KTS AS FAR EAS THE MS RIVER BY 03Z AND E OF THE RIVER 03-06Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoothillsNC Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I just looked at the nam and GFS qpf for just the upslope /wraparound part of the storm..and they are very high. I couldn't believe how much qpf they both generate on the upslope and considering how cold it will be and the ratios, this is going to be one wallop of an upslope. I don't recall how much qpf it forecast on the last event, but this is a lot for an upslope , combined with extreme ratios, and Joe will be digging out once more. Also, snow accum. down to northern Ga as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLI4SCwx Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Looks like we could see a few flurries around in SC too. Based on the 18z NAM from what I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaculaWeather Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Can someone please explain this map to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 This is all you need to read in central NC: THE LATEST SOUNDINGS INDICATE THAT ONCE THE COLD FRONT SURGES THROUGH OUR REGION...THE MOISTURE WILL RAPIDLY GET PINCHED OFF BY VERY STRONG MID LEVEL DRYING/SUBSIDENCE IN THE LEE OF THE MOUNTAINS. SATURATION IN THE -10 TO -20 CELSIUS SNOW GROWTH ZONE IS LACKING ESPECIALLY AFTER 00Z/MONDAY. THIS APPEARS TO BE A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THE VERY COLD ARCTIC AIR CHASING THE MOISTURE IN WHICH A FEW PASSING SNOW FLURRIES MAY BE SEEN ACROSS THE NW PIEDMONT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burgertime Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Ding ding eyewall wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carvers Gap Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Excerpt from WWA issued by NWS in Morristown, TN: TNZ012>017-035-042-044-046-120930- /O.UPG.KMRX.WS.A.0004.101212T1200Z-101214T0000Z/ /O.NEW.KMRX.WW.Y.0025.101212T1500Z-101214T0000Z/ SCOTT TN-CAMPBELL-CLAIBORNE-HANCOCK-HAWKINS-SULLIVAN-MORGAN- NORTHWEST GREENE-WASHINGTON TN-NORTHWEST CARTER- INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ONEIDA...LA FOLLETTE...TAZEWELL... SNEEDVILLE...ROGERSVILLE...KINGSPORT...WARTBURG...GREENEVILLE... JOHNSON CITY...ELIZABETHTON 331 PM EST SAT DEC 11 2010 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM SUNDAY TO 7 PM EST MONDAY... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MORRISTOWN HAS ISSUED A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 10 AM SUNDAY TO 7 PM EST MONDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT. * TIMING: PRECIPITATION WILL BEGIN AS RAIN...THEN CHANGE TO OR MIX WITH SNOW SUNDAY MORNING. ALL THE PRECIPITATION WILL CHANGE TO SNOW SHOWERS BY LATE SUNDAY MORNING. SNOW SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE SUNDAY AFTERNOON...AND THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY. * ACCUMULATIONS: TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS BETWEEN 3 AND 6 INCHES ARE EXPECTED ACROSS THE NORTHERN CUMBERLAND PLATEAU AND NORTHEAST TENNESSEE THROUGH MONDAY. LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS WILL BE POSSIBLE IN THE HIGHEST TERRAIN OF THE CUMBERLAND PLATEAU. * WINDS: SUSTAINED WINDS WILL BE BETWEEN 10 AND 20 MPH ON SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY...WITH GUSTS BETWEEN 25 AND 35 MPH. WIND CHILL VALUES WILL DROP TO ZERO TO 10 BELOW ZERO AT TIMES. * IMPACTS: SNOW ACCUMULATIONS AND DANGEROUS WIND CHILLS ARE EXPECTED SATURDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY. WITH TEMPERATURES DROPPING INTO THE TEENS SUNDAY NIGHT...ICE WILL LIKELY FORM ON ROADS. ROADS MAY BECOME EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS...AND ANYONE OUTDOORS SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR BITTER COLD CONDITIONS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carvers Gap Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Afternoon discussion from Morristown, TN, NWS: (resembles discussions on the board today...) THE QUESTION IS WHETHER PRECIP WILL CHANGE TO SNOW BEFORE THE DEEP MOISTURE AND STRONG FORCING EXIT. WHILE THE MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT OVERALL...THEIR SOUNDINGS DIFFER IN THE TEMPERATURE PROFILE BELOW 800 MB...WITH THE GFS BEING NEAR-FREEZING ISOTHERMAL...AND THE NAM SHOWING A MORE DISTINCT 3C WARM NOSE. LEAN MORE TOWARD THE NAM GIVEN THE STRONG S-SW FLOW AHEAD OF THE FRONT...BUT IF THE GFS IS CORRECT...SNOW AMOUNTS TONIGHT COULD BE HIGHER. TEMPS ALOFT DROP SHARPLY WITH FROPA SUNDAY MORNING...GOING BELOW FREEZING FIRST IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS AROUND 10Z...THEN IN THE VALLEY AROUND 15Z. HOWEVER THE DRY SLOT CUTS OFF DEEP MOISTURE SUNDAY MORNING...SO THERE WILL LIKELY BE A LULL IN THE PRECIP ONCE THE COLD AIR MOVES IN. THERE COULD BE A COUPLE INCHES OF ACCUMULATION IN THE MTNS TONIGHT/SUNDAY MORNING...WITH A DUSTING IN THE PLATEAU AND SW VA. ANY SNOW WILL LIKELY BE VERY WET...WITH A LOW LIQUID/SNOW RATIO. AS THE DEEP 500 MB CLOSED LOW TRACKS ACROSS KY AND INTO WV SUNDAY...THE EVENT WILL TRANSITION TO A NW FLOW SNOW EVENT. STEEP LAPSE RATES UNDER THE LOW WILL GENERATE SNOW SHOWERS SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. NEAR-SATURATION IN THE DENDRITE GROWTH ZONE AND STRENGTHENING NW WINDS WILL MEAN IDEAL CONDITIONS FOR SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL IN THE HIGHER TERRAIN...AND PERSISTENT SNOW SHOWERS IN THE VALLEY. WINDS IN THE 900-850 MB LAYER REMAIN BETWEEN 25-35 KTS FROM THE NW SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY. VERY HIGH LIQUID/SNOW RATIOS ARE LIKELY IN THE MOUNTAINS WITH THESE CONDITIONS. BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW WILL BE LIKELY...AND WIND ADVISORIES MAY BE NEEDED. NEAR-BLIZZARD CONDITIONS CAN BE EXPECTED AT TIMES IN THE MTNS. ANOTHER CONCERN IS WIND CHILLS...WHICH WILL BE IN THE -5 TO -15 RANGE IN THE MTNS AND SW VA. Personally, I'll be surprised if Kingsport gets more than two inches. We'll see. (edit) Kingsport does much better when a low pressure tracks through central NC. I always find it interesting when Weber City, VA, is under a WSW and Kingsport, TN, is under a WWA. I know it's arbitrary as far as borders and has to do more w/ elevation, but it's still interesting. BTW, those cities sit next to each other. For all intents and purposes, Weber City would be like a northern 'burb to Kingsport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosie Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 I just looked at the nam and GFS qpf for just the upslope /wraparound part of the storm..and they are very high. I couldn't believe how much qpf they both generate on the upslope and considering how cold it will be and the ratios, this is going to be one wallop of an upslope. I don't recall how much qpf it forecast on the last event, but this is a lot for an upslope , combined with extreme ratios, and Joe will be digging out once more. Also, snow accum. down to northern Ga as well. Any accumulation is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoothillsNC Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Afternoon discussion from Morristown, TN, NWS: (resembles discussions on the board today...) THE QUESTION IS WHETHER PRECIP WILL CHANGE TO SNOW BEFORE THE DEEP MOISTURE AND STRONG FORCING EXIT. WHILE THE MODELS ARE IN GOOD AGREEMENT OVERALL...THEIR SOUNDINGS DIFFER IN THE TEMPERATURE PROFILE BELOW 800 MB...WITH THE GFS BEING NEAR-FREEZING ISOTHERMAL...AND THE NAM SHOWING A MORE DISTINCT 3C WARM NOSE. LEAN MORE TOWARD THE NAM GIVEN THE STRONG S-SW FLOW AHEAD OF THE FRONT...BUT IF THE GFS IS CORRECT...SNOW AMOUNTS TONIGHT COULD BE HIGHER. TEMPS ALOFT DROP SHARPLY WITH FROPA SUNDAY MORNING...GOING BELOW FREEZING FIRST IN THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS AROUND 10Z...THEN IN THE VALLEY AROUND 15Z. HOWEVER THE DRY SLOT CUTS OFF DEEP MOISTURE SUNDAY MORNING...SO THERE WILL LIKELY BE A LULL IN THE PRECIP ONCE THE COLD AIR MOVES IN. THERE COULD BE A COUPLE INCHES OF ACCUMULATION IN THE MTNS TONIGHT/SUNDAY MORNING...WITH A DUSTING IN THE PLATEAU AND SW VA. ANY SNOW WILL LIKELY BE VERY WET...WITH A LOW LIQUID/SNOW RATIO. AS THE DEEP 500 MB CLOSED LOW TRACKS ACROSS KY AND INTO WV SUNDAY...THE EVENT WILL TRANSITION TO A NW FLOW SNOW EVENT. STEEP LAPSE RATES UNDER THE LOW WILL GENERATE SNOW SHOWERS SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. NEAR-SATURATION IN THE DENDRITE GROWTH ZONE AND STRENGTHENING NW WINDS WILL MEAN IDEAL CONDITIONS FOR SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL IN THE HIGHER TERRAIN...AND PERSISTENT SNOW SHOWERS IN THE VALLEY. WINDS IN THE 900-850 MB LAYER REMAIN BETWEEN 25-35 KTS FROM THE NW SUNDAY NIGHT THROUGH MONDAY. VERY HIGH LIQUID/SNOW RATIOS ARE LIKELY IN THE MOUNTAINS WITH THESE CONDITIONS. BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW WILL BE LIKELY...AND WIND ADVISORIES MAY BE NEEDED. NEAR-BLIZZARD CONDITIONS CAN BE EXPECTED AT TIMES IN THE MTNS. ANOTHER CONCERN IS WIND CHILLS...WHICH WILL BE IN THE -5 TO -15 RANGE IN THE MTNS AND SW VA. Morristown is on the ball with this. Great write up, and I strongly agree. Gonna be some near blizzard conditions in east and ne Tenn as well with this one. The 7h and 5H feature both plow right across thCumberland Plateau enroute to western NC, coinciding with some very strong lift and a fully saturated moisture depth. Should be quite an event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carvers Gap Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Morristown is on the ball with this. Great write up, and I strongly agree. Gonna be some near blizzard conditions in east and ne Tenn as well with this one. The 7h and 5H feature both plow right across thCumberland Plateau enroute to western NC, coinciding with some very strong lift and a fully saturated moisture depth. Should be quite an event. Though I'm not really qualified to compliment folks who do this for a living, I thought it was a great write-up as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnweathernut Posted December 11, 2010 Share Posted December 11, 2010 Morristown is on the ball with this. Great write up, and I strongly agree. Gonna be some near blizzard conditions in east and ne Tenn as well with this one. The 7h and 5H feature both plow right across thCumberland Plateau enroute to western NC, coinciding with some very strong lift and a fully saturated moisture depth. Should be quite an event. Their write-up is excellent, but there is a difference in their forecast and their "advisory" vs. a winter storm warning. Unless I misunderstand the criteria required their wording suggest we should be under a winter storm warning, but their forecast is for a winter weather advisory. (speaking for the NE TN valleys) Maybe 3-6 no longer qualifies the valleys for a WSW. What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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