JoMo Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Video of the collapse... scary....... http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=110070465759055&oid=54444461143&co Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Video of the collapse... scary....... http://www.facebook....=54444461143 Just saw that. Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 2 reported dead so far, from multiple people on FB. Here's a pic from when the stage was coming down. Wow incredible. That is awful to see...I wonder if there are a lot more hurt than the news is projecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonbo Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Video of the collapse... scary....... http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=110070465759055&oid=54444461143&co Wow that was just awful to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Witness reporting it was said over the loudspeaker that severe weather was coming only 20 seconds before the stage collapsed. If that's the case, a lot of people are in some big time trouble. Don't know why the event wasn't canceled when it was obvious severe weather was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Witness reporting it was said over the loudspeaker that severe weather was coming only 20 seconds before the stage collapsed. If that's the case, a lot of people are in some big time trouble. Don't know why the event wasn't canceled when it was obvious severe weather was coming. So the storm was warned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Witness reporting it was said over the loudspeaker that severe weather was coming only 20 seconds before the stage collapsed. If that's the case, a lot of people are in some big time trouble. Don't know why the event wasn't canceled when it was obvious severe weather was coming. I was thinking the same thing as i was reading the posts here. When you have a situation like this and severe weather is possible, you would think they would pay extra attention to give more time to get everyone to safety before the storms moved in. Someone dropped the ball on this one. Truely sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Crazy, just found out my friend at NWS Indy was actually there right next to the Grandstand when that happened. She said the fairgrounds were in contact with the NWS office there every hour and the storm was warned yet nothing was done. Apparently the fairgrounds weren't moving people out at all...and Sugarland barely got off the stage in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*IndyMeso* Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Witness reporting it was said over the loudspeaker that severe weather was coming only 20 seconds before the stage collapsed. If that's the case, a lot of people are in some big time trouble. Don't know why the event wasn't canceled when it was obvious severe weather was coming. I wont say too much in the way of their plans but I will say they were very unprepared. It has been stated over and over that they (fair planning comittee) need to have plans for this kind of scenario but they refused to believe it would happen. Always expect the unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 So the storm was warned? Yes it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 So the storm was warned? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN 858 PM EDT SAT AUG 13 2011 INC011-057-063-097-109-133-140145- /O.CON.KIND.SV.W.0293.000000T0000Z-110814T0145Z/ BOONE-HAMILTON-HENDRICKS-MARION-MORGAN-PUTNAM- 858 PM EDT SAT AUG 13 2011 ...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR SOUTHEASTERN BOONE...HAMILTON...HENDRICKS...MARION...NORTHERN MORGAN AND EAST CENTRAL PUTNAM COUNTIES UNTIL 945 PM EDT... AT 853 PM EDT...TRAINED WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS PRODUCING DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 70 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM NOBLESVILLE TO 12 MILES NORTHWEST OF MARTINSVILLE...MOVING EAST AT 25 MPH. A TRAINED WEATHER SPOTTER MEASURED A WIND GUST OF 77 MPH IN PLAINFIELD 850 PM. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR... MONROVIA...NOBLESVILLE AND CARMEL AROUND 905 PM EDT... INDIANAPOLIS INT'L AIRPORT...WYNNEDALE...WILLIAMS CREEK AND SPRING HILL AROUND 910 PM EDT... CENTERTON...CAMBY...BROAD RIPPLE AND MOORESVILLE AROUND 915 PMEDT... INDIANA STATE FAIRGROUNDS...CASTLETON...BROOKLYN AND BETHANY AROUND 920 PM EDT... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 what time did the high winds hit the stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman_ind Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 My other post was bad...sorry. I was not at work and had nothing to do with this one...but here are the relevant products BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN 839 PM EDT SAT AUG 13 2011 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN INDIANAPOLIS HAS ISSUED A * SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR... EASTERN BOONE COUNTY IN CENTRAL INDIANA... HAMILTON COUNTY IN CENTRAL INDIANA... HENDRICKS COUNTY IN CENTRAL INDIANA... MARION COUNTY IN CENTRAL INDIANA... NORTHERN MORGAN COUNTY IN CENTRAL INDIANA... EAST CENTRAL PUTNAM COUNTY IN WEST CENTRAL INDIANA... * UNTIL 945 PM EDT * AT 835 PM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE HAIL...AND DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM 9 MILES NORTH OF ZIONSVILLE TO GREENCASTLE...AND MOVING EAST AT 25 MPH. * SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE NEAR... SHERIDAN...PITTSBORO AND COATESVILLE AROUND 845 PM EDT... DANVILLE AND AMO AROUND 850 PM EDT... BELLE UNION...ZIONSVILLE...STILESVILLE AND BROWNSBURG AROUND 855 PM EDT... LITTLE POINT...EMINENCE...WESTFIELD AND CLAYTON AROUND 900 PM EDT... MORSE RESERVOIR AND EAGLE CREEK RESERVOIR AROUND 905 PM EDT... THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 65 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 102 AND 137. THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 69 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 0 AND 10. THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 70 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 36 AND 93. THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 74 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 57 AND 99. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS PRODUCE DAMAGING WIND IN EXCESS OF 60 MILES PER HOUR...DESTRUCTIVE HAIL...DEADLY LIGHTNING...AND VERY HEAVY RAIN. FOR YOUR PROTECTION MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS. HEAVY RAINS FLOOD ROADS QUICKLY SO DO NOT DRIVE INTO AREAS WHERE WATER COVERS THE ROAD. && PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT...CORRECTED NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN 1015 PM EDT SAT AUG 13 2011 ..TIME... ...EVENT... ...CITY LOCATION... ...LAT.LON... ..DATE... ....MAG.... ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE.... ..REMARKS.. 0850 PM TSTM WND DMG INDIANA STATE FAIRGROUN 39.83N 86.13W 08/13/2011 MARION IN NWS EMPLOYEE *** 4 FATAL *** STAGE COLLAPSE DURING CONCERT...MULTIPLE INJURIES...CORONER ON SCENE...WINDS ESTIMATED BETWEEN 60 AND 70 MPH. && Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Don't have GR at home. Can anyone post some good velocity shots as the storm collapsed over Indy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 WTHR reporting that an announcement had been made that IF severe weather approaches, people were to evacuate to the Pepsi Center. That announcement never came. And people were still in place when the stage collapsed. If that's the case, look out, a lot of lawsuits coming. They only had 11-15 minutes from the time the warning was issued, to the time the winds hit, but these storms were warned for counties well west of the Indy Metro, all the way in. 60 mph winds in counties to the west, were first reported around 7:30 local time. And the area was in a Severe Watch from 6pm local time. From a 1st responder standpoint, completely uncalled for, if the right steps were taken by the people running the show, this would have never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 WTHR reporting that an announcement had been made that IF severe weather approaches, people were to evacuate to the Pepsi Center. That announcement never came. And people were still in place when the stage collapsed. If that's the case, look out, a lot of lawsuits coming. They only had 11-15 minutes from the time the warning was issued, to the time the winds hit, but these storms were warned for counties well west of the Indy Metro, all the way in. 60 mph winds in counties to the west, were first reported around 7:30 local time. And the area was in a Severe Watch from 6pm local time. From a 1st responder standpoint, completely uncalled for, if the right steps were taken by the people running the show, this would have never happened. Let me go a step further. I don't think it should have mattered if the storms were severe or not. The fact is storms were coming and they should have told everyone to get inside well before they moved in. You can't take a chance with lightning severe or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Who knows the exact details, but needless to say Fair organizers going to be under the gun for this debacle. Just a terrible tragedy. On another note watching the various Indy TV channels, boo to the [expletive] anchor on WISH-TV using this occasion to say that we told you severe weather was possible tonight, earlier in the day. Not the time or moment to pimp your weather "expertise". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Person who's wife is a doctor and helped injured people after the collapse, just said live on WTHR that there was NO evac order issued, and the announcement said that Sugarland was going to try and get some songs in before the storms hit. The video that WTHR just showed verifies that, looked like NOBODY was moving until the stage collapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Who knows the exact details, but needless to say Fair organizers going to be under the gun for this debacle. Just a terrible tragedy. On another note watching the various Indy TV channels, boo to the [expletive] anchor on WISH-TV using this occasion to say that we told you severe weather was possible tonight, earlier in the day. Not the time or moment to pimp your weather "expertise". They actually said "we told you"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 They actually said "we told you"? Not exactly, but the guy (anchor, not the TV met) was basically saying we were all over this severe threat as early as last night. Gave me the impression that he was trying to laud their excellent weather forecasting well before the event, almost to the point they knew 60-70+ MPH would hit the fairgrounds. Just kind of tacky in this situation IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Not exactly, but the guy (anchor, not the TV met) was basically saying we were all over this severe threat as early as last night. Gave me the impression that he was trying to laud their excellent weather forecasting well before the event, almost to the point they knew 60-70+ MPH would hit the fairgrounds. Just kind of tacky in this situation IMO. have the "we had no warning!" people sprung up yet? Maybe he was just trying to say that they indeed had warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toad strangler Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Crazy, just found out my friend at NWS Indy was actually there right next to the Grandstand when that happened. She said the fairgrounds were in contact with the NWS office there every hour and the storm was warned yet nothing was done. Apparently the fairgrounds weren't moving people out at all...and Sugarland barely got off the stage in time. wow .... besides what looks like inept decision makers, look for a call for these kind of stage set ups everywhere to meet better wind load thresholds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 have the "we had no warning!" people sprung up yet? Maybe he was just trying to say that they indeed had warning. Maybe. Don't know. Just reeked of poor taste the way he was talking about it in my view. Indiana State Police reporting 3 dead, maybe 4. 24 or more injured right now. http://www.wthr.com/story/15262930/stage-collapses-at-state-fairgrounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Indystatefair has a twitter acct. https://twitter.com/#!/IndyStateFair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 wow .... besides what looks like inept decision makers, look for a call for these kind of stage set ups everywhere to meet better wind load thresholds. Just reading that WTHR article it sounds like there were the beginnings of an evacuation, but it was poorly planned. A few excerpts. "State police say they were watching severe weather on radar and were carrying out an evacuation order when the stage collapsed.Concertgoer Emily Davis, said that officials mentioned an evacuation plan, but never made an announcement to leave the scene. She said the accident happened very fast. "They said, if need be, this is what we're going to do and somebody will come back out and tell you, but they didn't have time to come back out and tell us," she said." "Charlie Morgan from Hank FM, which sponsored the concert, believes it was wind shear that caused the collapse." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardMafia Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 People are saying that they made an announcement, a few minutes before the winds hit. The main issue I seen is that they did not evacuate the VIP section. WISH-TV was trying protray that they had been discussing the chance of severe wx wince last night. Very sad event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowlover2 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Just reading that WTHR article it sounds like there were the beginnings of an evacuation, but it was poorly planned. "State police say they were watching severe weather on radar and were carrying out an evacuation order when the stage collapsed.Concertgoer Emily Davis, said that officials mentioned an evacuation plan, but never made an announcement to leave the scene. She said the accident happened very fast. "They said, if need be, this is what we're going to do and somebody will come back out and tell you, but they didn't have time to come back out and tell us," she said." "Charlie Morgan from Hank FM, which sponsored the concert, believes it was wind shear that caused the collapse." This is just careless IMO. Like i said earlier severe or not, they knew storms were coming and should have gotten people to safety well before the storms moved in. I went through something like this about 20 years ago. I was at a town festival that was at a park by a church when a line of severe storms moved in with probably 70mph winds. There was no warning given to us so we were all under the tents which blew over and at that point we were told to make a run for the church basement. As far as i know no one was injured which was lucky. It just takes some advanced warning to avoid these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kab2791 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Main gusts associated with the the outflow a good several miles ahead of the line of storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.B. LaForce Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Ok, cleaning up my mess, this is more friendly. Red dot is fairgrounds. Products are Base Reflectivity and Base Velocity. A differen't base velocity color table, but I like it for picking out really strong winds. I got it from KGRR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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