Which Winter Month did you enjoy more?

[40/70 Benchmark]

I think an important question this year will be how soon do I have a permanent lead on Kevin for snow? Last year I had to wait until the Mar 31-Apr 1 storm. Some years I'll lead right away and never look back. I'll predict the latter this year. It could be like a 2007-2008 where he takes the lead on the first storm and then I destroy him the rest of the winter.

My guess is that neither one of us ever look back.

[Damage In Tolland]

He beat you by over 20" in 2 consecutive winters. The other ones you beat him in were narrow margins. Average snowfall is not done by "years won"...its done by taking the amount of snow you got and dividing by the number of years.

Maybe they were..but i don't recall him beating me by over 40 inches..

I understand how it's done..you're basing it on a small sample size of like 5 or 6 winters..not the last 100 yrs

[ORH_wxman]

Maybe they were..but i don't recall him beating me by over 40 inches..

I understand how it's done..you're basing it on a small sample size of like 5 or 6 winters..not the last 100 yrs

No I'm not. I pointed out that he has beaten since you moved there...but stated that available data suggests that his average is definitely higher than you before that when looking at the long term. He destroyed you in 2004-2005 too...you're lucky you don't have a total to submit from that winter as it would probably be 20-25" less.

Usually when you end up with more snow than Ray's area, its by a narrow margin, but when he ends up with more, it often can be on the order of 20-30" in one season.

[Damage In Tolland]

No I'm not. I pointed out that he has beaten since you moved there...but stated that available data suggests that his average is definitely higher than you before that when looking at the long term. He destroyed you in 2004-2005 too...your lucky you don't have a total to submit from that winter as it would probably be 20-25" less.

Usually when you end up with more snow than Ray's area, its by a narrow margin, but when he ends up with more, it often can be on the order of 20-30" in one season.

If you look at what Union averages which is what we will base my long term avgs on and his area over the last 50 or 100 yrs. i think you'd be surprised

[ORH_wxman]

If you look at what Union averages which is what we will base my long term avgs on and his area over the last 50 or 100 yrs. i think you'd be surprised

You average less snow than Union....Ray averages more snow than Union.

[H2Otown_WX]

2004-05 hands down. Wall to wall winter and incidentally, 4th snowiest of all time for me. Snowed in November (3-6 right after Vets Day), snowed decently in December, epic January, great February and good March. 2010-11 doesn't hold a candle imho.

Yeah I ranked 04-05 as the better of the two winters because it snowed from November through late March and we had a true Arctic outbreak in January. There was no month individually that came close to January 2011 down here I'm sure that's a different story in E. SNE though.

[Damage In Tolland]

You average less snow than Union....Ray averages more snow than Union.

Don't agree with either one of those statements

[ORH_wxman]

Don't agree with either one of those statements

Its just about physically impossible for you to average the same as Union...they are northeast of you at a higher elevation. You could possibly make a more convinceable argument for Ray averaging less than them, but the claim you average the same as them is laughable.

[ski MRG]

Don't agree with either one of those statements

What do you think you average? I seem to remember Will being generous giving you a 56-57" average.

[free_man]

56" average? ask for a job transfer and be done with it...that has got to suck

[Damage In Tolland]

Its just about physically impossible for you to average the same as Union...they are northeast of you at a higher elevation. You could possibly make a more convinceable argument for Ray averaging less than them, but the claim you average the same as them is laughable.

We're both at 1,000 feet..and Union is like 12-15 miles Northeast lol

[Damage In Tolland]

What do you think you average? I seem to remember Will being generous giving you a 56-57" average.

My area from Union down to Tolland averages 60-63 inches..somewhere right in there

[ORH_wxman]

We're both at 1,000 feet..and Union is like 12-15 miles Northeast lol

You're at about 975-980 feet and Union has a lot of areas up around 1,030 feet. The difference in elevation is small but its definitely not lower than you, its on average, higher.

12-15 miles northeast is a huge thing. You honestly think that they do not average more snow than you? It might not be a large amount, but there is no chance you both average the same exact amount, they are very likely to average 1-2" more than you.

[free_man]

So how does a 60-65" avg in Tolland not = 60-65" in Wilmington? The argument does not make sense...they're basically the same, however rarely are they the same on a seasonal scale.

[ORH_wxman]

My area from Union down to Tolland averages 60-63 inches..somewhere right in there

lol. If you inflate it by 3-4 inches, then you might have the seasonal average correct.

[Damage In Tolland]

lol. If you inflate it by 3-4 inches, then you might have the seasonal average correct.

So 66-69 inches? That seems a bit high

[40/70 Benchmark]

You average less snow than Union....Ray averages more snow than Union.

[40/70 Benchmark]

So how does a 60-65" avg in Tolland not = 60-65" in Wilmington? The argument does not make sense...they're basically the same, however rarely are they the same on a seasonal scale.

Because Tolland does not avg 60-65".

I avg about 62" and he is likely about 59".....neither of us avgs 65".

[ski MRG]

So 66-69 inches? That seems a bit high

Just like I thought 57".

[CoastalWx]

would seem tough to go to winter #3 in a row of such a predominantly strong ridge up there but there seems little doubt at this point that we are entering a new decadal regime in that respect. negative is the way to lean, imho. how far is the question i think.

now watch...raging + all winter. LOL.

Yeah I feel the same way. Obviously sample size is small at this stage, but I don't think you can deny the fact that things are becoming different up by Greenland. Plus, it goes with the natural decadal signal that says we should be entering this stage. I'm not big on significant blocks, but as long as the overall signal is negative, normally you can't go wrong. Now what we don't want is the Bering Sea death vortex. That would really fook us, but hopefully we can avoid another year of that. If we can keep Canada cold with a little blocking to go along with it...that would spell some fun, even with a Socks -PNA.

[CoastalWx]

My next goal is a high impact, Tip blue bomb....I haven't seen one for awhile.

The large events have been either rain or powder for me over the course of the last few seasons.

I know you had the 20" bomb, but man that 1/12 event here seemed more impressive than what they had in Andover. That was a classic Tip blue bomber.

[free_man]

Because Tolland does not avg 60-65".

I avg about 62" and he is likely about 59".....neither of us avgs 65".

Very small amount of years...who knows, maybe the past 200 or 1000 Tolland actually averages more than Wilmington...I think a 55-65" range for each area seems right.

[40/70 Benchmark]

Very small amount of years...who knows, maybe the past 200 or 1000 Tolland actually averages more than Wilmington...I think a 55-65" range for each area seems right.

It makes sense intuitively and logically that the significant difference in latitude negates his advantage in elevation, as well....if you wanna go that angle, who knows....maybe weak el Nino isn't that great for SNE....sample size is an issue with everything.

[ORH_wxman]

It makes sense intuitively that the significant difference in latitude negates his advantage in elevation, as well....if you wanna go that angle, who knows....maybe weak el Nino isn't that great for SNE....sample size is an issue with everything.

Yep, based on the current data we have, your area averages more than Tolland. If we want to speculate that Tolland might have averaged more during the Pilgrams arriving in the 1600s, that is fine, but most of us don't give a crap. We only care about the current state of climate and Wilmington averages more snow whether you go on the last 5 years or last 50 years.

[CoastalWx]

I'm going by '07-'08 through '08-'09 and saying I avg more than Kevin.

[40/70 Benchmark]

Yep, based on the current data we have, your area averages more than Tolland. If we want to speculate that Tolland might have averaged more during the Pilgrams arriving in the 1600s, that is fine, but most of us don't give a crap. We only care about the current state of climate and Wilmington averages more snow whether you go on the last 5 years or last 50 years.

If only BIrving could jump in a time machine and head over to Mt Tolland circa 20 BC.....dinosaurs buried up to their clevage in Tolland, while Wilmington had palm trees flapping in the breeze.

[40/70 Benchmark]

I'm going by '07-'08 through '08-'09 and saying I avg more than Kevin.

As that period proved, elevation and proximity to the ocean can be thrown out the window.

[CoastalWx]

If only BIrving could jump in a time machine and head over to Mt Tolland circa 20 BC.....dinosaurs buried up to their clevage in Tolland, while Wilmington had palm trees flapping in the breeze.

I wonder where Wilmington was during Pangea. Maybe RIC averaged more than you...lol.

[CoastalWx]

As that period proved, elevation and proximity to the ocean can be thrown out the window.

Big burly highs FTW.

[CapturedNature]

My area from Union down to Tolland averages 60-63 inches..somewhere right in there

You're at about 975-980 feet and Union has a lot of areas up around 1,030 feet. The difference in elevation is small but its definitely not lower than you, its on average, higher.

FWIW, I've averaged 57.9" over the past 25 winters, but I'm at a lower elevation and not all of those winters were in Stafford Springs.

Another difference between Tolland in Union is that Kevin's 1,000' is a "peak" in town, whereas Union averages around 1,000'. Many parts of town are even over 1,200' with peaks just over 1,300'. I've found that sometimes an elevated area or plateau can do better than a hill at a similar elevation.

I would agree with Will that Union definately averages more. I've seen it first hand many times and he is correct that even a couple hundred feet can make a big difference. I have a sugarbush at 1,200' there and there is a difference even between places here at 800' and there. I'm working with a local homeowner there to try and get a weather station installed so perhaps we can get a better picture this winter? If I do get it running (I'm trying to figure out the Internet connectivity peice), I'll let everyone know.