Pittsburgh, PA Thread

[cwc]

heck, i got 8 inches of snow here in Gibsonia on Route 8, some it drifting, and i can see areas getting a foot of snow, that band is couple reform pretty soon, it goes through stages, weakens one point then strengthens again, northern allegheny county and southern butler will have 8-12 inch totals, maybe some 15 or 16 inch totals

also, just watched WPXI, Julia Bologna says 1-3 inch totals, , she sucks at weather forecasting, she should be gone for real, after calling 3-6 and we get 2 feet last winter

Just for the record, I live in Allison Park, right off Rt 8 and I have nowhere close to 8". 3-4", but hard to tell with the blowing.

[psnnstater77]

Ok, then, i think someone in the region will see that, a widespread 8 to 10 inch snowfall is a good bet, i got 8 inches already outside

All i just have to say is this is one of the Best LES events i've seen

You need to report your snow total to NWS.. Highest I have seen in ALL County has been 4"

[psnnstater77]

heck, i got 8 inches of snow here in Gibsonia on Route 8, some it drifting, and i can see areas getting a foot of snow, that band is couple reform pretty soon, it goes through stages, weakens one point then strengthens again, northern allegheny county and southern butler will have 8-12 inch totals, maybe some 15 or 16 inch totals

also, just watched WPXI, Julia Bologna says 1-3 inch totals, , she sucks at weather forecasting, she should be gone for real, after calling 3-6 and we get 2 feet last winter

whats was wrong with the 1-3 or 3-6 call? They were right on for All. County?

They called for me to get 5-9 total and I ended up with a little over 9"

Btw, what is your elevation?

[Pittsburgh Rants]

heck, i got 8 inches of snow here in Gibsonia on Route 8, some it drifting, and i can see areas getting a foot of snow, that band is couple reform pretty soon, it goes through stages, weakens one point then strengthens again, northern allegheny county and southern butler will have 8-12 inch totals, maybe some 15 or 16 inch totals

also, just watched WPXI, Julia Bologna says 1-3 inch totals, , she sucks at weather forecasting, she should be gone for real, after calling 3-6 and we get 2 feet last winter

I am not trying to be rude, but I have to call B.S.

The best setup again was North near 422 and North and the Highlands.. You read one poster who lives near New Castle say they were getting hammered and according to NWS and Traffic Cams this was true, New Castle probably saw between 6-8", another poster who lives near 2000 feet was getting pounded and of course this will be true due to orthographical lifting that always happens during LES Events.

Looking at Parkway North Cams in Northern part of the county I can't see anyone getting that much snow, its possible, but at a very low percentage.

[Burghblizz]

You need to report your snow total to NWS.. Highest I have seen in ALL County has been 4"

He needs to not call NWS....but instead meet me at Walmart on Route 8 and I'll show him how to measure snow.

I don't think he is "lying".....but measurig a drift near a roof in a north facing yard can do funny things

[meatwad]

6" here in Monroeviille, snowing out as well.

[meatwad]

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

857 AM EST TUE DEC 14 2010

...LAKE EFFECT AND UP-SLOPE SNOW SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE WITH COLD

NORTHWEST WIND...

.VERY COLD TEMPERATURES WILL COMBINE WITH STRONG NORTHWEST WIND

TO PRODUCE PERSISTENT SNOW SHOWERS... BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW

AND LOW WIND CHILL INDICES.

OHZ041-PAZ020-021-073-075-141800-

/O.CON.KPBZ.WW.Y.0020.000000T0000Z-101214T1800Z/

COLUMBIANA-BEAVER-ALLEGHENY-WESTMORELAND-FAYETTE-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...EAST LIVERPOOL...SALEM...COLUMBIANA...

EAST PALESTINE...WELLSVILLE...CALCUTTA...ALIQUIPPA...

BEAVER FALLS...AMBRIDGE...MONACA...BEAVER...

PITTSBURGH METRO AREA...GREENSBURG...NEW KENSINGTON...JEANNETTE...

LATROBE...MONESSEN...UNIONTOWN...CONNELLSVILLE...POINT MARION

857 AM EST TUE DEC 14 2010

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 PM EST THIS

AFTERNOON...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 PM EST THIS

AFTERNOON.

* ACCUMULATION: ADDITIONAL SNOWFALL AMOUNTS TODAY WILL RANGE

FROM 1 TO 3 INCHES.

* WINDS: NORTHWEST WIND OF 15 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS TO 30 MPH

WILL PERSIST TODAY RESULTING IN BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW.

* WIND CHILL: WIND CHILL INDICES NEAR ZERO CAN BE EXPECTED THIS

MORNING.

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DRIVING. REPORT YOUR SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS TO THE NATIONAL

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[Paweatherguy1]

With how the band was setup, would not be surprised to see an 8 inch report somewhere south of butle

As far as north Pitt weather, let's cut him some slack.... Pretty sure he might be 14...

[Burghblizz]

Here's the latest. Looks like even some of the non-mountain areas in Westermoreland did really well. Not a lot to confirm the 9 or 10" type snowfall in Northern Allegheny or Southern Butler......

NOUS41 KPBZ 141419

PNSPBZ

MDZ001-OHZ039>041-048>050-057>059-068-069-PAZ007>009-013>016-020>023-

029-031-073>076-WVZ001>004-012-021>023-041-150219-

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT

SPOTTER REPORTS

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

919 AM EST TUE DEC 14 2010

***********************SNOW ON GROUND***********************

LOCATION SNOW TIME/DATE COMMENTS

ON GROUND OF

/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

OHIO

...COLUMBIANA COUNTY...

1 NNE SALEM 2.5 449 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

WELLSVILLE 1.6 624 AM 12/14

PENNSYLVANIA

...ALLEGHENY COUNTY...

1 SW BRIDGEVILLE 2.0 400 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...BUTLER COUNTY...

7 SW BUTLER 4.0 500 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

SW ZELIENOPLE 3.0 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...FAYETTE COUNTY...

FARMINGTON 11.3 623 AM 12/14

1 SE POINT MARION 1.0 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...MERCER COUNTY...

SHARPSVILLE 10.0 905 AM 12/14

...VENANGO COUNTY...

1 E COOPERSTOWN 3.5 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...WASHINGTON COUNTY...

3 WNW WOLFDALE 0.6 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...WESTMORELAND COUNTY...

5 SSW LATROBE 10.0 703 AM 12/14 PLEASANT UNITY... PA

1 WNW GREENSBURG 8.0 622 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

WEST VIRGINIA

...BROOKE COUNTY...

1 SE WELLSBURG 1.0 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...MARION COUNTY...

FAIRMONT 2.0 625 AM 12/14

...MARSHALL COUNTY...

6 E MCMECHEN 3.7 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...TUCKER COUNTY...

3 SE DAVIS 9.0 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

**********************24 HOUR SNOWFALL**********************

LOCATION 24 HOUR TIME/DATE COMMENTS

SNOWFALL OF

/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

OHIO

...COLUMBIANA COUNTY...

1 NNE SALEM 1.5 449 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

PENNSYLVANIA

...ALLEGHENY COUNTY...

1 SW WEST MIFFLIN 1.7 400 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

1 SW BRIDGEVILLE 0.6 400 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...BUTLER COUNTY...

7 SW BUTLER 4.0 500 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

SW ZELIENOPLE 3.0 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...FAYETTE COUNTY...

1 SE POINT MARION 0.3 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...VENANGO COUNTY...

1 E COOPERSTOWN 0.5 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...WESTMORELAND COUNTY...

1 WNW GREENSBURG 6.5 622 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

WEST VIRGINIA

...MARSHALL COUNTY...

6 E MCMECHEN 1.4 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

...TUCKER COUNTY...

3 SE DAVIS 3.3 600 AM 12/14 COCORAHS

$$

FLH

[Burghblizz]

With how the band was setup, would not be surprised to see an 8 inch report somewhere south of butle

As far as north Pitt weather, let's cut him some slack.... Pretty sure he might be 14...

True.....but.....

he is also bashing the local mets.....then reporting incorrect totals to show his weenie map was better. This was forecasted quite well.

We all know the locals were poor in February.....but it doesn't mean they will miss everytime. Also, I would still like a forum that is inviting to them, as we can use the more professionals from our area.

Sure, kids are more than welcome.....but now the next page will be about arguing whether or not his total was correct. I'd rather have a more productive forum, with more mets lurking so we can learn.

[Paweatherguy1]

Yeah...blizz do you know what the airport got? I still think there could have been isolated higher totals in that narrow band...I ended up with about four and was not in that band.

[Burghblizz]

Yeah...blizz do you know what the airport got? I still think there could have been isolated higher totals in that narrow band...I ended up with about four and was not in that band.

4" at the NWS....

The highest 24 hour total among Allegheny, Butler, and non-mountainous Westmoreland that I found was 6.5"

Pleasant Unity in Westmoreland had the highest 2 day total at 10". It's definately possible that someone in that Northern Allegheny band pulled 6".....but the "I have 8" on my way to 12" to 15"" was a little carried away.

[Paweatherguy1]

True.....but.....

he is also bashing the local mets.....then reporting incorrect totals to show his weenie map was better. This was forecasted quite well.

We all know the locals were poor in February.....but it doesn't mean they will miss everytime. Also, I would still like a forum that is inviting to them, as we can use the more professionals from our area.

Sure, kids are more than welcome.....but now the next page will be about arguing whether or not his total was correct. I'd rather have a more productive forum, with more mets lurking so we can learn.

Just curious, but how many of our locals are actual mets....yeah, I know they have mets behind the scenes, but what about the personalities?

Btw, the locals did fine on this, though I do get sick of them using the same snow map for every storm, no matter what type of system it is.

[Pittsburgh Rants]

4" at the NWS....

The highest 24 hour total among Allegheny, Butler, and non-mountainous Westmoreland that I found was 6.5"

Pleasant Unity in Westmoreland had the highest 2 day total at 10". It's definately possible that someone in that Northern Allegheny band pulled 6".....but the "I have 8" on my way to 12" to 15"" was a little carried away.

You can't base Northern Allegheny County snow falls off what Pleasant Unity gets. PU sits at the base of the highlands, they usually do pretty good in these events. In fact Latrobe, Ligonier, PU, Kecksburg usually do quit well.

[Burghblizz]

You can't base Northern Allegheny County snow falls off what Pleasant Unity gets. PU sits at the base of the highlands, they usually do pretty good in these events. In fact Latrobe, Ligonier, PU, Kecksburg usually do quit well.

I was wondering about the Pleasant Unity elevation....

Yeah, I wasn't basing anything in Northern Allegheny on that total....in fact I live in Northern Allegheny. I was just giving a snapshot of the whole area.

[Paweatherguy1]

http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/interactive/html/map.html?mode=pan&zoom=&center_x=++-81.61&center_y=+++37.66&%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20ql=station&var=snowfall_24_h&snap=1&o11=1&o9=1&o13=1&lbl=m&min_x=-84.066666666668&min_y=37.000000000001&%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20max_x=-76.566666666669&max_y=42.625&coord_x=-80.3166666666685&coord_y=39.8125000000005&%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20zbox_n=&zbox_s=&zbox_e=&zbox_w=&metric=0&bgvar=dem&width=600&height=450&nw=600&nh=450&type=0&js=1&uc=0

According to this, it looks like the airport had over 6 inches...judging by that, I would not be surprised to see an 8 inch total somewhere...just saying, it isn't a ridiculous assertion.

BTW, the Butler station is wrong...they have an automatic reporting station that never reports actual precip, so I'd imagine that they don't have real measurments either.

[Pittsburgh Rants]

Just curious, but how many of our locals are actual mets....yeah, I know they have mets behind the scenes, but what about the personalities?

Btw, the locals did fine on this, though I do get sick of them using the same snow map for every storm, no matter what type of system it is.

Pretty close to all...

Lets not turn this into a Met bashing thread, Why we don't have a Red Tag now.

[Paweatherguy1]

Pretty close to all...

Lets not turn this into a Met bashing thread, Why we don't have a Red Tag now.

I'm not trying to......

Don't try to derail the thread...I didn't post to you. If you want to have an argument with me, take it to the PM's please.

[Paweatherguy1]

So back to the weather....6.2 inches at the airport...

I think most areas saw about 3 or 4 inches in the Northern half of AGC, but I would say that there can be pockets of 6-8 inches scattered around depending on if you got under a band. LES is just very tough to forecast obviously as you can have an inch at your house then drive 2 miles and have 5 inches...I think overall the NWS did very well with the forecast.

[north pgh]

I think NWS did a great job with the forecasting of this event. They had me with an inch or less Sunday, 2-4 on monday and 1-2 overnight.

The local tv mets scared everyone with the sunday forecast. We never did get any snow until late Sunday night.

LES are hard events to call. Someone will always get 4 or 5 and others will get 1 or so just like the last storm.

The blowing snow makes it hard to call as well.

I have about 4 or maybe 5 on the ground but is has blown around so hard to tell.

[Paweatherguy1]

I think NWS did a great job with the forecasting of this event. They had me with an inch or less Sunday, 2-4 on monday and 1-2 overnight.

The local tv mets scared everyone with the sunday forecast. We never did get any snow until late Sunday night.

LES are hard events to call. Someone will always get 4 or 5 and others will get 1 or so just like the last storm.

The blowing snow makes it hard to call as well.

I have about 4 or maybe 5 on the ground but is has blown around so hard to tell.

Yep, exactly.

I honestly thought the changeover would happen earlier Sunday..I was wrong, and I thought we would not get as much LES as we did.

[lwg8tr0514]

Pretty close to all...

Lets not turn this into a Met bashing thread, Why we don't have a Red Tag now.

Oh nobody here hates the Mets, to the contrary. It was well chronicled and confirmed over at Eastern the local talking head weather readers are all about marketing. Marketing in the respect that the average Pittsburgh Joe is not a fan of cold and snow, it's a hassle to commute in , your power bills double, etc. That being said why would a TV Weather Met get enthusiastic about cold and snow., he would not last long. So good marketing says if you can call a storm\snow total at the very low end of a forecast , you will and do it and with good cheer. Demetrius Ivory last Winter did this, the February storm he got tons of emails from weather enthusiast imploring him to look at the latest models...his response was posted on Eastern, that he was not interested in what the models had to say, he was going to do what he was going to do...i.e. his bosses told him to downplay the threat. Well he got caught with his pants down badly. I posted his snowfall mad for the night before, he showed my location 4-6" when I got 30". That's not forecasting, that was guessing on his part and turned out to be a damn dangerous guesstimate. I am not going to get all political but I DO think the Global Warming garbage also comes in to play, make the average guy think the Winters are getting warmer and less snowy and Summers are more hot and dry. The NWS chief got caught also red handed pulling this stunt. The NWS has gotten better, 3 years ago they were a joke, they would say 35 and rain and you could count them being the reverse barometer that is was going to snow 6". Bashing the NWS got so bad, the mods had to start sticking up for "Government Weather" and began banning any and all criticism of them. I am glad we have not reached that point. I have no issue with someone posting contrary opinions, even being a party pooper, but at least have some factual basis and not wish-casting and personal agendas.

Off the sopabox now....

[Burghblizz]

So back to the weather....6.2 inches at the airport...

I think most areas saw about 3 or 4 inches in the Northern half of AGC, but I would say that there can be pockets of 6-8 inches scattered around depending on if you got under a band. LES is just very tough to forecast obviously as you can have an inch at your house then drive 2 miles and have 5 inches...I think overall the NWS did very well with the forecast.

Official total was 4" yesterday, and another .4 so far today.

http://www.weather.gov/climate/getclimate.php?wfo=pbz

Not sure where that 6.2" on there actually is - there definately was a heavy band training in the western part of the county.

[Paweatherguy1]

Oh nobody here hates the Mets, to the contrary. It was well chronicled and confirmed over at Eastern the local talking head weather readers are all about marketing. Marketing in the respect that the average Pittsburgh Joe is not a fan of cold and snow, it's a hassle to commute in , your power bills double, etc. That being said why would a TV Weather Met get enthusiastic about cold and snow., he would not last long. So good marketing says if you can call a storm\snow total at the very low end of a forecast , you will and do it and with good cheer. Demetrius Ivory last Winter did this, the February storm he got tons of emails from weather enthusiast imploring him to look at the latest models...his response was posted on Eastern, that he was not interested in what the models had to say, he was going to do what he was going to do...i.e. his bosses told him to downplay the threat. Well he got caught with his pants down badly. I posted his snowfall mad for the night before, he showed my location 4-6" when I got 30". That's not forecasting, that was guessing on his part and turned out to be a damn dangerous guesstimate. I am not going to get all political but I DO think the Global Warming garbage also comes in to play, make the average guy think the Winters are getting warmer and less snowy and Summers are more hot and dry. The NWS chief got caught also red handed pulling this stunt. The NWS has gotten better, 3 years ago they were a joke, they would say 35 and rain and you could count them being the reverse barometer that is was going to snow 6". Bashing the NWS got so bad, the mods had to start sticking up for "Government Weather" and began banning any and all criticism of them. I am glad we have not reached that point. I have no issue with someone posting contrary opinions, even being a party pooper, but at least have some factual basis and not wish-casting and personal agendas.

Off the sopabox now....

I do agree to an extent...it was absolutely baffling last Feb when Demetrius did that. The NWS did very well...they kept on upping the totals, and adjusted, but they started out in the 6-12 range. When there was 5 inches of snow on the ground at 6 that night, the locals were still saying 3-6.....which to you and me, who are informed and can see that will be wrong, doesn't affect, however, to the average joe, they see 3-6, and I seem to remember a lot more people being out based on that forecast.

In any case, the locals did fine with this event, so no need to bash here, but last feb was bad...I can understand predicting 6-12, and then having to up because more and more is coming. But how can you predict 3-6, see 5 on the ground, and stand by that.

I'm sorry, I'm done now....

[northpittweather]

With how the band was setup, would not be surprised to see an 8 inch report somewhere south of butle

As far as north Pitt weather, let's cut him some slack.... Pretty sure he might be 14...

Really, people, i am not even 14, i am like 18, sorry but everyone doesn't report to the NW

I got like 10 inches on the ground!!!!, and it's still coming down hard

[Paweatherguy1]

Official total was 4" yesterday, and another .4 so far today.

http://www.weather.g...ate.php?wfo=pbz

Not sure where that 6.2" on there actually is - there definately was a heavy band training in the western part of the county.

Hmm...not sure then. Maybe the reading is incorrect on that map is incorrect? I just would not doubt it though that if there were totals like that scattered around, and I seem to remember those maps being fairly accurate?

[meatwad]

Winter Weather Advisory

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA

1143 AM EST TUE DEC 14 2010

...LAKE EFFECT AND UP-SLOPE SNOW SHOWERS WILL CONTINUE WITH COLD

NORTHWEST WIND...

.VERY COLD TEMPERATURES WILL COMBINE WITH STRONG NORTHWEST WIND

TO PRODUCE PERSISTENT SNOW SHOWERS... BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW

AND LOW WIND CHILL INDICES.

OHZ041-PAZ020-021-073-075-150000-

/O.EXT.KPBZ.WW.Y.0020.000000T0000Z-101215T0000Z/

COLUMBIANA-BEAVER-ALLEGHENY-WESTMORELAND-FAYETTE-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...EAST LIVERPOOL...SALEM...COLUMBIANA...

EAST PALESTINE...WELLSVILLE...CALCUTTA...ALIQUIPPA...

BEAVER FALLS...AMBRIDGE...MONACA...BEAVER...

PITTSBURGH METRO AREA...GREENSBURG...NEW KENSINGTON...JEANNETTE...

LATROBE...MONESSEN...UNIONTOWN...CONNELLSVILLE...POINT MARION

1143 AM EST TUE DEC 14 2010

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL 7 PM EST THIS

EVENING...

THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL 7 PM EST THIS

EVENING.

* ACCUMULATION: ADDITIONAL SNOWFALL AMOUNTS THIS AFTERNOON WILL

RANGE FROM 1 TO 3 INCHES.

* WINDS: NORTHWEST WIND OF 15 TO 20 MPH WITH GUSTS TO 30 MPH

WILL PERSIST TODAY RESULTING IN BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW.

* WIND CHILL: WIND CHILL INDICES FROM ZERO TO 10 ABOVE CAN BE

EXPECTED THIS AFTERNOON.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW

WILL CAUSE PRIMARILY TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SNOW

COVERED ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE

DRIVING. REPORT YOUR SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS TO THE NATIONAL

WEATHER SERVICE BY CALLING TOLL FREE...1-877-633-6772.

&&

[OHSnow]

I, for one, believe NorthPittWeather's report. I guess you guys didn't see that band of snow last night. KYNG reported like 6" in four hours and there was even one report of 7" in a little over an hour. Places even outside the snowbelt had 8-12 inches last night under that band.

http://www.wkbn.com/...CS4uVL1ixg.cspx

[cwc]

I, for one, believe NorthPittWeather's report. I guess you guys didn't see that band of snow last night. KYNG reported like 6" in four hours and there was even one report of 7" in a little over an hour. Places even outside the snowbelt had 8-12 inches last night under that band.

http://www.wkbn.com/...CS4uVL1ixg.cspx

I don't. He lives right by me and his totals are not plausible.

[cwc]

Really, people, i am not even 14, i am like 18, sorry but everyone doesn't report to the NW

I got like 10 inches on the ground!!!!, and it's still coming down hard

You don't have 10". Give me the name of the road closest to your house that intersects Rt 8 and I will go out there, stick a ruler in the snow, take a picture and post it on this thread.