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Appsrunner... take a look at this...

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DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

1213 PM CDT MON AUG 01 2011

VALID 021200Z - 031200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS PORTIONS OF THE GREAT

LAKES REGION AND UPPER OH VALLEY...

..GREAT LAKES INTO UPPER OH VALLEY

AN EXPANSIVE UPPER RIDGE WILL MAINTAIN CONTROL OF THE WEATHER OVER

THE CENTRAL UNITED STATES ON TUESDAY...WHILE SEVERAL WEAKER

DISTURBANCES ROTATE AROUND THE RIDGE FROM THE ROCKIES ACROSS THE

NORTHERN PLAINS...INTO THE NORTHEAST. WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWS A

DISTINCT MID/UPPER LEVEL VORT MAX OVER WESTERN WY. THIS FEATURE

WILL BE MOVING INTO MN BY 02/12Z...AND IS FORECAST TO TRACK

SOUTHEASTWARD ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES REGION THROUGH THE FORECAST

PERIOD. THUNDERSTORMS WILL LIKELY BE ONGOING AHEAD OF THIS FEATURE

OVER MN/WI/UPPER MI TOMORROW MORNING. STRONG HEATING AND DEWPOINTS

IN THE UPPER 60S/LOWER 70S AHEAD OF THE STORMS WILL PROMOTE

INTENSIFICATION BY EARLY AFTERNOON AS STORMS TRACK INTO LOWER MI.

CURRENT PATTERN SUGGESTS THE POTENTIAL FOR A LONG-LIVED SEVERE MCS

TRACKING INTO NORTHERN OH AND WESTERN PA DURING THE EVENING.

DAMAGING WINDS APPEAR TO BE THE MAIN THREAT WITH THESE STORMS. AN

UPGRADE TO MODERATE RISK IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION AS THE EVENT

GETS CLOSER AND DETAILS BECOME MORE CLEAR.

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new warning out for the west end of the twin cities. hennipin and carver counties, severe t-storm warning for gusts 60+. and this includes minny, the mall of america, and nws-chanhassen.

WUUS53 KMPX 011745 SVRMPX MNC019-053-011830- /O.NEW.KMPX.SV.W.0214.110801T1745Z-110801T1830Z/ BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TWIN CITIES/CHANHASSEN MN 1245 PM CDT MON AUG 1 2011 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN THE TWIN CITIES HAS ISSUED A * SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR... NORTHEASTERN CARVER COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL MINNESOTA... HENNEPIN COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL MINNESOTA... * UNTIL 130 PM CDT * AT 1244 PM CDT...RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM...CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR INDEPENDENCE...OR ABOUT 13 MILES SOUTHEAST OF BUFFALO...AND MOVING EAST AT 35 MPH. PENNY SIZE HAIL MAY ALSO ACCOMPANY THESE DAMAGING WINDS. LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE... PLYMOUTH... MINNEAPOLIS... ST BONIFACIUS... INDEPENDENCE... MINNETRISTA... MAPLE PLAIN... LORETTO... MOUND... VICTORIA... ORONO... MEDINA... HAMEL... LONG LAKE... SHOREWOOD... CHANHASSEN... PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... IF YOU ARE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM...PREPARE IMMEDIATELY FOR DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH AND HAIL. SEEK SHELTER NOW INSIDE A STURDY STRUCTURE AND STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAN PRODUCE TORNADOES WITH LITTLE OR NO ADVANCE WARNING. PREPARE TO MOVE TO A PLACE OF SAFETY IN A STURDY STRUCTURE SUCH AS A BASEMENT OR SMALL INTERIOR ROOM IF A TORNADO IS SPOTTED. && LAT...LON 4503 9321 4484 9322 4482 9348 4488 9381 4498 9378 4498 9377 4500 9377 4505 9376 4512 9372 4512 9370 TIME...MOT...LOC 1745Z 280DEG 29KT 4502 9372 WIND...HAIL 60MPH 0.75IN

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Appsrunner... take a look at this...

CURRENT PATTERN SUGGESTS THE POTENTIAL FOR A LONG-LIVED SEVERE MCS

TRACKING INTO NORTHERN OH AND WESTERN PA DURING THE EVENING.

DAMAGING WINDS APPEAR TO BE THE MAIN THREAT WITH THESE STORMS. AN

UPGRADE TO MODERATE RISK IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION AS THE EVENT

GETS CLOSER AND DETAILS BECOME MORE CLEAR.

First week of August seems to always be good for severe weather in OH. 2 days of severe storms is pretty rare around here. Tomorrow could be interesting.

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interesting characteristics with this storm that moved thru from minny thru my end of st paul (near 35 and md).

we've had winds go originally from west to south, then back to west, and i think even a northwards turn currently.

no hail. but gusts may have come close to severe (boy do i need to go to spotter training next year). but the winds were hard enough at times to cause the following: cars and a full-sized van parked perpendicular to the winds, and the raindrops actually blew over the vehicles like they were going over at an f1 of GT car during a wet race. anyone know how fast the winds have to be to cause that, on a micro-scale level?

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Appsrunner... take a look at this...

CURRENT PATTERN SUGGESTS THE POTENTIAL FOR A LONG-LIVED SEVERE MCS

TRACKING INTO NORTHERN OH AND WESTERN PA DURING THE EVENING.

DAMAGING WINDS APPEAR TO BE THE MAIN THREAT WITH THESE STORMS. AN

UPGRADE TO MODERATE RISK IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION AS THE EVENT

GETS CLOSER AND DETAILS BECOME MORE CLEAR.

Yeah I did see that earlier... should be interesting. I'll be in Findlay during the afternoon tomorrow.

I think it had lifted by the time I got over there but I definitely could see some rotation in the cell

I was also chasing as well... not much rotation but definitely had some broad rotation.

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Very nice. The easiest way to chase, sitting in your lawn chair.

So this just meandered by the front door about 15 minutes ago. Complete with Kelvin Helmholtz waves. Radar shows nada. Apparently this is the year to just sit in my yard and watch what goes by...

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So this just meandered by the front door about 15 minutes ago. Complete with Kelvin Helmholtz waves. Radar shows nada. Apparently this is the year to just sit in my yard and watch what goes by...

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you have this photo on a place like facebook, flickr, picassa, or anyplace like that? i'd like to share that one with my friends, but be sure to give you the proper credit.. cause that's a very neat photo

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some insane parameters right now in the northern plains but lack of strong upper support and warm mid-level temps is keeping things from going right now and I think that should win out.

a pretty cool radar loop out of ABR right now if you have a higher res radar, can see the sfc low spin as well as both the warm front and cold front.

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some insane parameters right now in the northern plains but lack of strong upper support and warm mid-level temps is keeping things from going right now and I think that should win out.

Great news for tomorrow, but the upper level support should improve as time progresses. So I still think we'll see some activity develop with time.

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Great news for tomorrow, but the upper level support should improve as time progresses. So I still think we'll see some activity develop with time.

DTX thinks tonight's stuff stays to the north; that could make tomorrow afternoon very interesting with the amount of helicity forecasted for tomorrow.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DETROIT/PONTIAC MI

658 PM EDT MON AUG 1 2011

.AVIATION...

//DISCUSSION...

EXPECT PREVAILING LIGHT WINDS AND EPISODIC HIGH CLOUDS THROUGH THE

NIGHT AND FOR THE FIRST HALF OF TUESDAY. SOUTHWEST WINDS WILL

GRADUALLY INCREASE THROUGH THE DAY AS A WARM FRONT TRAVERSES THE

SOUTHERN LAKES REGION. MEANWHILE...THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY SHOULD

REMAIN UPSTREAM ACROSS WISCONSIN AND EVEN NORTHERN LOWER MICHIGAN

TUESDAY MORNING AND EARLY AFTERNOON. INDICATIONS ARE THAT

CONDITIONS WILL BECOME MORE FAVORABLE FOR THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT

ACROSS SOUTHEAST MICHIGAN FROM MID-AFTERNOON ON INTO THE

EVENING...AS MOISTURE QUALITY/DEPTH AND INSTABILITY INCREASE

APPRECIABLY. FORECAST WILL INTRODUCE A SIMPLIFIED APPROACH BY

ADVERTISING CB GROUPS AT THE TERMINALS.

//DTW THRESHOLD THREATS...

* MODERATE CONFIDENCE FOR THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT LATE TUESDAY AND

TUESDAY EVENING WITH LOWER CONFIDENCE ON TIMING.

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DTX thinks tonight's stuff stays to the north; that could make tomorrow afternoon very interesting with the amount of helicity forecasted for tomorrow.

The hodograph forecasted for tomorrow (while not 100% perfect) is still long and curved too.

If anything the current runs are getting better.

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I'm kinda new to following severe weather, but it looks like the instability for tomorrow is so-so according to the NAM, and a little better on the GFS. Are these models just not very good at forecasting instability, or am I missing something?

The hodograph forecasted for tomorrow (while not 100% perfect) is still long and curved too.

If anything the current runs are getting better.

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I'm kinda new to following severe weather, but it looks like the instability for tomorrow is so-so according to the NAM, and a little better on the GFS. Are these models just not very good at forecasting instability, or am I missing something?

I wouldn't worry too much about the model-forecasted instability.

For one the current forecasted instbaility progs is assuming temps sitting in the mid-upper 70s all day. Also, the worst of the storms (that is, the most concentrated activity) should be focused along the instability gradient versus directly under the heart of the instability.

Meanwhile, I just did a bit more investigating and Detroit City Airport has a perfect hodograph for Tuesday evening. Well it's not perfect, but it's about as good as you get for this time of year in this region.

http://beta.wxcaster...&STATIONID=KDET

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Nice hodo, with a very high SRH value. Although damaging winds should remain the biggest threat per SPC and DTX, as GRR discussed, there is the possibility of tornadoes embedded in a line of severe storms, especially with that veering wind profile.

I wouldn't worry too much about the model-forecasted instability.

For one the current forecasted instbaility progs is assuming temps sitting in the mid-upper 70s all day. Also, the worst of the storms (that is, teh most concentrated activity) should be focused along the instability gradient versus directly under the heart of the instability.

Meanwhile, I just did a bit more investigating and Detroit City Airport has a perfect hodograph for Tuesday evening. Well it's not perfect, but it's about as good as you get for this time of year in this region.

http://beta.wxcaster...&STATIONID=KDET

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Pretty impressive parameters out there this evening, Super cell composite of 66 in west central MN. Cap should start to/is eroding now out in the dakotas now. Should see development in the next couple hours possibly.

nothing will develop where the best parameters are....H5 winds of 10kts ain't gonna cut it and its capped, look at vis. If anything does develop there later it will be elevated.

The threat of any good sfc based supercells developing is slim to none, more like none.

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