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Late Fall/Winter 2011-2012 speculation thread


Harry

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SEMi is in a big snow hole compared to the rest of the Great Lakes. I bet the averages would back this up too.

Edit: Here it is. The SEMi snow hole shows up nicely.

miavgsnowfall.jpg

LOL @ Lake Orion under 40" in a season thumbsupsmileyanim.gif good one. Totally disagree with that map

Since 1996/97 Northern Oakland averages 59" annual. I bet Detroit is at about 47-48" annual

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SEMi is in a big snow hole compared to the rest of the Great Lakes. I bet the averages would back this up too.

Edit: Here it is. The SEMi snow hole shows up nicely.

miavgsnowfall.jpg

Map is way off in NE MN. Some areas receive over 90" annually instead of 60"!

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LOL @ Lake Orion under 40" in a season thumbsupsmileyanim.gif good one. Totally disagree with that map

Since 1996/97 Northern Oakland averages 59" annual. I bet Detroit is at about 47-48" annual

I know a horrible map. And as horrible as it was, I still do not see a snow "hole" anywhere.

Detroits average for 1981-2010 is 42.7", they havent averaged under 40" since the 1960s. Detroits northern burbs, as you mentioned, average well over 50", so as has been mentioned, a totally useless lowballed map. As someone else said, its called a gradient. Detroit does not get as much snow as the snowbelts because they get way less LES. End of story. Synoptically, there is absolutely ZERO snowhole over SE MI, and the last several years its been the opositte, the snow hole has been in northern MI, not SE MI.

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Regarding the big snowstorms in SE MI, we discuss this at length every season. Almost everything a snowlover could want has been happening recently in SE MI, snowfall has been increasing dramatically, as have 6"+ snowstorms (and fwiw there is no such thing as a dryslot that taunts any region on a regular basis). As Trent also pointed out, every year you will see snowstorms that drop 12"+ over portions of SE MI, just not widespread. Its about storm track, and really Toledo is no more or less favored than Saginaw for a specific storm, but obviously over the course of a winter Toledo will see (usually) less snow than Saginaw in terms of total fall. How often does anywhere outside of the coastal northeast see WIDESPREAD 15"+ snowstorm totals, not just jackpot totals? Not often at all. I think any snowlover in this region should feel blessed to live in a climate where snow is so frequent, and we are spoiled by it too. If a week goes by without a snowfall it feels like an eternity to some. Try going a month in the heart of winter with no measurable snow as happens frequently in those coastal cities that see big bombs. In any given winter, you can bank on clippers, sort of our "free space" on the bingo card. But with a Nina pattern in place, its almost a certainty that some major snowstorms will be tracking through this region. Lets just hope everybody gets smacked by at least one of them :)

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Regarding the big snowstorms in SE MI, we discuss this at length every season. Almost everything a snowlover could want has been happening recently in SE MI, snowfall has been increasing dramatically, as have 6"+ snowstorms (and fwiw there is no such thing as a dryslot that taunts any region on a regular basis). As Trent also pointed out, every year you will see snowstorms that drop 12"+ over portions of SE MI, just not widespread. Its about storm track, and really Toledo is no more or less favored than Saginaw for a specific storm, but obviously over the course of a winter Toledo will see (usually) less snow than Saginaw in terms of total fall. How often does anywhere outside of the coastal northeast see WIDESPREAD 15"+ snowstorm totals, not just jackpot totals? Not often at all. I think any snowlover in this region should feel blessed to live in a climate where snow is so frequent, and we are spoiled by it too. If a week goes by without a snowfall it feels like an eternity to some. Try going a month in the heart of winter with no measurable snow as happens frequently in those coastal cities that see big bombs. In any given winter, you can bank on clippers, sort of our "free space" on the bingo card. But with a Nina pattern in place, its almost a certainty that some major snowstorms will be tracking through this region. Lets just hope everybody gets smacked by at least one of them :)

Have you put your resume in at DTX for historian?

Nice write up! Love your enthusiastic outlook.

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Detroit 41.4"

Flint 44.9"

Lansing 48.8"

Grand Rapids 73.2"

And people get pissed or flustered when someone states the obvious that we are "due" for an average winter. Just saying. Lol

Basically an average Winter around D isn't that bad at all. We have been spoiled for the last 4 years.

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Haven't had a 300 plus winter in a long time. We are over due. The last one I believe was '95-'96 where we had 329. Almost beat the all time record sent in '78. I moved up here Jan 1996. I couldn't even see over the snow banks driving my 3/4 ton van. I had to stand up in my seat to get a glimpse over the banks at the intersections and that was here in Houghton-Hancock. There were plenty of fender benders due to people pulling out in front of other cars. It was much worse in the higher elevations north and south of here.

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Haven't had a 300 plus winter in a long time. We are over due. The last one I believe was '95-'96 where we had 329. Almost beat the all time record sent in '78. I moved up here Jan 1996. I couldn't even see over the snow banks driving my 3/4 ton van. I had to stand up in my seat to get a glimpse over the banks at the intersections and that was here in Houghton-Hancock. There were plenty of fender benders due to people pulling out in front of other cars. It was much worse in the higher elevations north and south of here.

What percentage of your annual average would you estimate is synoptic snow? I'm sure lake effect accounts for well over 100" up there. It's fun looking at how often the N Wisconsin and UP of Michigan snowbelts get 6"+ events just from lake effect.

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Have you put your resume in at DTX for historian?

Nice write up! Love your enthusiastic outlook.

Ha thatd be great. Id love it. Deedler is still very active in following the weather, doing writeups etc on his blog. The guys who took his place do a better job than I thought they would with monthly/seasonal writeups and forecasts and stuff, but no one is like Deedler, period!

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