Hoosier Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Not really earth shattering. There are LES belts to the SE and NW. Although I suspect that 40" line is too far north in MI. Agree. I think Detroit averages more than 40" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 SEMi is in a big snow hole compared to the rest of the Great Lakes. I bet the averages would back this up too. Edit: Here it is. The SEMi snow hole shows up nicely. LOL @ Lake Orion under 40" in a season good one. Totally disagree with that map Since 1996/97 Northern Oakland averages 59" annual. I bet Detroit is at about 47-48" annual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnweather Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 SEMi is in a big snow hole compared to the rest of the Great Lakes. I bet the averages would back this up too. Edit: Here it is. The SEMi snow hole shows up nicely. Map is way off in NE MN. Some areas receive over 90" annually instead of 60"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 lol, Ytterbium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 lol, Ytterbium. And everyone takes the bait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Just got Trolled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 lol, Ytterbium. Thanks for the reminder. I keep forgetting that's him instead of somebody posting in good faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Ah, it's getting to the time of year when the GFS is looking interesting with that 540 line dropping farther and farther south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 LOL @ Lake Orion under 40" in a season good one. Totally disagree with that map Since 1996/97 Northern Oakland averages 59" annual. I bet Detroit is at about 47-48" annual I know a horrible map. And as horrible as it was, I still do not see a snow "hole" anywhere. Detroits average for 1981-2010 is 42.7", they havent averaged under 40" since the 1960s. Detroits northern burbs, as you mentioned, average well over 50", so as has been mentioned, a totally useless lowballed map. As someone else said, its called a gradient. Detroit does not get as much snow as the snowbelts because they get way less LES. End of story. Synoptically, there is absolutely ZERO snowhole over SE MI, and the last several years its been the opositte, the snow hole has been in northern MI, not SE MI. ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okie333 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Ah, it's getting to the time of year when the GFS is looking interesting with that 540 line dropping farther and farther south. 18Z FTW ( well, if it's 300-400 miles farther SW ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Regarding the big snowstorms in SE MI, we discuss this at length every season. Almost everything a snowlover could want has been happening recently in SE MI, snowfall has been increasing dramatically, as have 6"+ snowstorms (and fwiw there is no such thing as a dryslot that taunts any region on a regular basis). As Trent also pointed out, every year you will see snowstorms that drop 12"+ over portions of SE MI, just not widespread. Its about storm track, and really Toledo is no more or less favored than Saginaw for a specific storm, but obviously over the course of a winter Toledo will see (usually) less snow than Saginaw in terms of total fall. How often does anywhere outside of the coastal northeast see WIDESPREAD 15"+ snowstorm totals, not just jackpot totals? Not often at all. I think any snowlover in this region should feel blessed to live in a climate where snow is so frequent, and we are spoiled by it too. If a week goes by without a snowfall it feels like an eternity to some. Try going a month in the heart of winter with no measurable snow as happens frequently in those coastal cities that see big bombs. In any given winter, you can bank on clippers, sort of our "free space" on the bingo card. But with a Nina pattern in place, its almost a certainty that some major snowstorms will be tracking through this region. Lets just hope everybody gets smacked by at least one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 18Z FTW ( well, if it's 300-400 miles farther SW ) I never thought I'd say we need a NE trend in late October with a fantasy fake snowstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okie333 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 We need a SW trend in late October with a fantasy snowstorm. Fix'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 18Z FTW ( well, if it's 300-400 miles farther SW ) lol, yes! It looks active though, makes me feel a bit better about maybe seeing some snow this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Regarding the big snowstorms in SE MI, we discuss this at length every season. Almost everything a snowlover could want has been happening recently in SE MI, snowfall has been increasing dramatically, as have 6"+ snowstorms (and fwiw there is no such thing as a dryslot that taunts any region on a regular basis). As Trent also pointed out, every year you will see snowstorms that drop 12"+ over portions of SE MI, just not widespread. Its about storm track, and really Toledo is no more or less favored than Saginaw for a specific storm, but obviously over the course of a winter Toledo will see (usually) less snow than Saginaw in terms of total fall. How often does anywhere outside of the coastal northeast see WIDESPREAD 15"+ snowstorm totals, not just jackpot totals? Not often at all. I think any snowlover in this region should feel blessed to live in a climate where snow is so frequent, and we are spoiled by it too. If a week goes by without a snowfall it feels like an eternity to some. Try going a month in the heart of winter with no measurable snow as happens frequently in those coastal cities that see big bombs. In any given winter, you can bank on clippers, sort of our "free space" on the bingo card. But with a Nina pattern in place, its almost a certainty that some major snowstorms will be tracking through this region. Lets just hope everybody gets smacked by at least one of them Have you put your resume in at DTX for historian? Nice write up! Love your enthusiastic outlook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Not really earth shattering. There are LES belts to the SE and NW. Although I suspect that 40" line is too far north in MI. It is, I believe the current 30 year averages are around 41-42", Josh would know better than me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 It is, I believe the current 30 year averages are around 41-42", Josh would know better than me though. Detroit 41.4" Flint 44.9" Lansing 48.8" Grand Rapids 73.2" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Detroit 41.4" Flint 44.9" Lansing 48.8" Grand Rapids 73.2" And people get pissed or flustered when someone states the obvious that we are "due" for an average winter. Just saying. Lol Basically an average Winter around D isn't that bad at all. We have been spoiled for the last 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 NOAA came out with their winter outlook today. <div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 NOAA came out with their winter outlook today.... Yeah, it looks a bit better around here for cold/snow lovers than the previous outlook, not that the previous one was bad (just near normal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 NOAA came out with their winter outlook today. <div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div> Perfect. Thats what I like to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tacoman25 Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 NOAA came out with their winter outlook today. <div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div> Another 2008-09 looking map. Hard to argue against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Depressing map for me. Oh well, they messed up on temps last year by a lot, so that's the good news. Precip wasn't too far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppsRunner Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 NOAA came out with their winter outlook today. Probably one of the nicest looking CPC outlooks I've seen for my area. Some nervous excitement definitely is there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorMu Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 NOAA came out with their winter outlook today. <div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div> Darn depressing for Texas. I certainly hope Rick Perry will pray more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 In the past, BI has noted that to make it easier to read, posters should delete a big image like the CPC outlook when quoting. It's probably a good idea to remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishforsnow Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Haven't had a 300 plus winter in a long time. We are over due. The last one I believe was '95-'96 where we had 329. Almost beat the all time record sent in '78. I moved up here Jan 1996. I couldn't even see over the snow banks driving my 3/4 ton van. I had to stand up in my seat to get a glimpse over the banks at the intersections and that was here in Houghton-Hancock. There were plenty of fender benders due to people pulling out in front of other cars. It was much worse in the higher elevations north and south of here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Haven't had a 300 plus winter in a long time. We are over due. The last one I believe was '95-'96 where we had 329. Almost beat the all time record sent in '78. I moved up here Jan 1996. I couldn't even see over the snow banks driving my 3/4 ton van. I had to stand up in my seat to get a glimpse over the banks at the intersections and that was here in Houghton-Hancock. There were plenty of fender benders due to people pulling out in front of other cars. It was much worse in the higher elevations north and south of here. What percentage of your annual average would you estimate is synoptic snow? I'm sure lake effect accounts for well over 100" up there. It's fun looking at how often the N Wisconsin and UP of Michigan snowbelts get 6"+ events just from lake effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Gotta love the intersection of the >40% precip chances and 33% below normal probs for Northeast Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Have you put your resume in at DTX for historian? Nice write up! Love your enthusiastic outlook. Ha thatd be great. Id love it. Deedler is still very active in following the weather, doing writeups etc on his blog. The guys who took his place do a better job than I thought they would with monthly/seasonal writeups and forecasts and stuff, but no one is like Deedler, period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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