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Yeah I have some concerns. Have you looked at the parallel NAM though? Not nearly as capped as the OP NAM.

http://www.emc.ncep....ll/nampll_nmmb/

Also, any NWS mets have any nice Hi-Res Euro graphics your dying to show off? :whistle:

If we did that and got caught we would be roasted just like anyone else. EC is very restrictive on its products as one would expect.

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Big changes to new day 2. Sig-hatched added and 30% expanded to cover quite a large area of the northern states. Also mentions tornadic supercells as a distinct threat. Hodos are looking pretty nasty across the area, looks like this is shaping up to be quite interesting.

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Thoughts on how far north the threat would stretch? Hoping to get in on some severe storms tomorrow. Best events have remained south of the border this season.

Could see quite a bit of elevated WAA convection tomorrow morning.

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Yeah, thaats the area I have been looking at: northeast SD, and southeast ND. I decided to take a gamble of some sorts, and head up that way. Models are showing a bit of cap weakening in that area. New Day 2 mentioned tornadic supercells are possible, so if nothing else, at least I get to see beautiful countryside. I love the terrain in the Dakota's Not necessarily the best chase terrain, but a close second. Illinois is still my favorite I have to say.

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SPC must have some confidence in the cap weakening if they issue that large of a 30% sig-severe, particularly with the forecast that morning convection is likely to weaken pretty early, unlike on Saturday, then followed by strong heating. I'm wondering if the cap potential might've been the only thing holding them back from a day 2 MDT, because almost everything else looks great. LCL heights look good and lack of vertical/directional shear and instability shouldn't be a problem. I see more potential here than a couple days ago in MN, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a MDT risk at some point.

Good call on this potential threat last week, L.B.

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Good call on this potential threat last week, L.B.

Yeah, I had just been looking for a decent chase day for my last long-range chase of the year before school starts. I knew I couldn't make the ones over the weekend due to family plans, and I saw the next little trough plowing in there for Tuesday on the Euro, and was like well, i'll try that. Really hit or miss this time of year for these setups, but with my sister's wedding in early august, and getting packed for school, I figured this would be my only chance.

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Southern ND looking better and better for tomorrow. The ongoing convection/MCS looks like it is moving generally south of the ND/SD border and ESE (also pretty early, which should allow for sufficient time for the atmosphere to recover), which should allow for less influence on tomorrow's threat. New NAM looks pretty darn nasty for south central/southeast ND and adjacent portions of SD by 21z. Awaiting the 00z GFS for more clarity, but it has actually agreed with the NAM for the most part on this event.

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just looking at tomorrow a bit on the 0z NAM and some of the forecast hodographs...I wouldn't be shocked if there is a strong tornado tomorrow in southeast ND/northeast SD given the strong low level shear (0-1km SRH 250-300) juxtaposed with MLCAPE AOA 2500 j/kg. Morning convection will have to be watched as well as how much precip breaks out (a strong precip signal on the NAM at 0z) but if a few storms stay discrete for awhile they will go tornadic in that enviroment and could be trouble. This is all based on the cap breaks tomorrow which I think it will. I don't know if we can bank on as strong over s/w as the NAM is showing complimented with a 70kt jet streak at H5 but we'll see what happens.

The 24hr RUC is certainly encouraging if your chasing.

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It's the strongest H5 jet I've seen in a bit for a severe threatened area. I wouldn't be surprised if the NAM is underdoing the CAPE and possibly helicity as well considering possible intensity of the low level jet. MDT risk is looking fairly probable at this point. We could also see a pretty strong bow echo later in the evening and overnight if things play out.

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Judging by current radar trends, I doubt that leftover convection is going to be a problem tomorrow. In fact, I'm kinda hard pressed to find a major problem for SE ND/NE SD/W MN, say the area bounded by Fargo, Alexandria, Watertown, and Aberdeen. I agree with what's already been said...I could easily see a strong tornado, even potentially a violent one if a storm can really maximize off of the best of the shear/instability combo in that region...

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Yeah, that was a second concern, was everyone's favorite morning crapvection. At the moment it doesn't seem like it should be a problem (crosses fingers), so I guess I'll see how thing pan out tomorrow Staying the night in Monticello, MN.

Man you picked a good chase day. I wouldn't be shocked if the tornado probs are raised in the later outlooks if the morning convection fails to affect the most prime areas.

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It does seem that the area around northeast SD will remain DMC free through much of the afternoon with some elevated stuff north of the warm front ongoing through the day across ND. The presence and strengthening of the increasingly divergent coupled jet aloft will help force rather deep low level mass convergence/cooling and effective cap erosion...something that makes this event a bit more special than one may otherwise conclude with the flattening wave well into Canada. DMC looks to erupt as early as 21-23z it seems. Looks nasty late this afternoon.

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pretty darn good AFD from BIS

SURFACE LOW PRESSURE ACROSS FAR SOUTHWEST NORTH DAKOTA AT 18 UTC IS

FORECAST TO BE CENTERED ACROSS NORTH CENTRAL SOUTH DAKOTA BY 00 UTC

THIS EVENING...WITH AN ASSOCIATED SURFACE WARM FRONT ARCHING FROM

APPROXIMATELY MOBRIDGE THROUGH SIOUX FALLS WITH AN INVERTED TROUGH

EXTENDING NORTH ALONG THE HIGHWAY 83 CORRIDOR. WHILE CLOUD COVER

FROM MORNING ELEVATED CONVECTION PROPAGATING OUT OF MONTANA MAY

INITIALLY LIMIT BOUNDARY LAYER WARMING... RAPID DESTABILIZATION

IS EXPECTED BY MID AFTERNOON AS CLOUD COVER DIMINISHES...ESPECIALLY

ACROSS SOUTH CENTRAL NORTH DAKOTA AND THE JAMES RIVER VALLEY WITH

UPPER 60S TO LOWER 70S DEWPOINTS IN PLACE. VERY STRONG SURFACE

MOISTURE FLUX CONVERGENCE IN THE VICINITY OF THE TRIPLE POINT

ACROSS FAR NORTH CENTRAL SOUTH DAKOTA AND SOUTH CENTRAL NORTH

DAKOTA MAY BE A LIKELY AREA FOR INITIATION BY 21 UTC...WITH STORMS

QUICKLY BECOMING SUPERCELLUAR IN A ENVIRONMENT CHARACTERIZED BY ML

CAPE VALUES NEAR 3000 J/KG AND 0-6 KM BULK SHEAR OF 45-50 KTS.

WHAT IS OF MOST CONCERN IS THE ENHANCED TORNADO RISK ACROSS THE

SOUTH CENTRAL AND JAMES RIVER VALLEY. STRONG SOUTHEASTERLY BACKED

SURFACE FLOW NORTH OF THE WARM FRONT WILL LEAD TO LARGE SICKLE

SHAPED LOW LEVEL VEERING HODOGRAPHS WITH 0-1 KM SHEAR OF 25-35

KTS WITH A LOW LEVEL THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT HIGHLY SUPPORTIVE

OF BUOYANT REAR FLANK DOWNDRAFTS TO ENHANCE THE TORNADIC THREAT

WITH LCLS BELOW 1000 METERS AND INCREASING THETA-E WITH HEIGHT.

LARGE AND LONG TRACK TORNADOES ARE NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION ACROSS

THE SOUTH CENTRAL AND JAMES RIVER VALLEY. STRONG MID LEVEL LAPSE

RATES IN EXCESS OF 8 C/KM IN A HIGHLY SHEARED ENVIRONMENT SUPPORT

THE THREAT FOR VERY LARGE HAIL...HOWEVER...THE ONE CAVEAT WILL BE

THE HIGH PWATS WHICH MAY PLACE A SLIGHT LIMIT ON VERY LARGE HAIL

SURVIVABILITY. WHILE THE OVERALL SEVERE PARAMETERS ARE SLIGHTLY

LOWER FURTHER NORTH ALONG THE INVERTED TROUGH...SUPERCELLS ARE

LIKELY WITH ALL HAZARDS POSSIBLE. THAT SAID...COVER COVER MAY

LINGER A LITTLE LONGER ACROSS THE NORTH CENTRAL...WHICH MAY DELAY

STORM INITIATION. OVERALL...CONVECTION IS LIKELY TO CONGEAL INTO

THE EVENING INTO ONE OR TWO LINEAR SEGEMENTS...HOWEVER...THIS IS

LIKELY TO OCCUR EITHER ON THE EASTERN FRINGES OF THE THE BIS CWA

OR ACROSS THE RED RIVER VALLEY.

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