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Upstate NY / North Country Winter 2010 Thread 1


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Euro is gonna push deformation back into ENY though (maybe back to the Tug and western Dacks) and this is very hard to predict qpf-wise. You could get some surprisingly high amounts if that sets up over a certain corridor. Remember VD 2007 and nobody predicted that one belt would get those kind of #'s. So I don't think exact qpf #'s now are too relevant. Let's just keep this track or edge it a tad more west. :thumbsup:

Maybe it will come a little further west so we all get in on the action without introducing ptype issues.

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Good post. I agree. Now it would be nice to see the other models jump on board at 00z :)

Euro is gonna push deformation back into ENY though (maybe back to the Tug and western Dacks) and this is very hard to predict qpf-wise. You could get some surprisingly high amounts if that sets up over a certain corridor. Remember VD 2007 and nobody predicted that one belt would get those kind of #'s. So I don't think exact qpf #'s now are too relevant. Let's just keep this track or edge it a tad more west. :thumbsup:

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the euro occludes the storm and moves it all pretty quick out of here

the GEM lingered longer with an associated trof hanging back similar to what the GFS was showing earlier this week... but it looks like there may be a kicker on its heels now, storm #2

looks like the ukie hooks the storm a bit further north which wouldnt necessariuly be a bad thing so as to limit marine air infilitration, though i dont know about its qpf back through ENY

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Thats a decent amount of precip for 50 miles or so west of here.Just need this baby to move 50 more miles west., and for the rest of the models to catch on...:whistle:

I just looked it up I am ~90 miles northwest of you.My house to Saratoga is ~ 20 miles south of me.Saratoga to Herkimer is ~60 to 70 miles east... Does that sound right to you? I didnt think Saratoga was that much of a jump to Herkimer.

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I just looked it up I am ~90 miles northwest of you.My house to Saratoga is ~ 20 miles south of me.Saratoga to Herkimer is ~60 to 70 miles east... Does that sound right to you? I didnt think Saratoga was that much of a jump to Herkimer.

That sounds right . It takes me 90 minutes of so for Rome to Saratoga.

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Yes sir.Like a wind chill chart type of thing.Have the temp on one side the qpf amount on another and the amount in the middle.I am not sure if there is/was such a thing.Kind of like a snow ratio chart for dummies...Thanks!!!!!!!!

Much of what you ask depends on many factors. I do recall a "simple" LWE to Snowfall chart on the web I'll see if I can find it.

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Much of what you ask depends on many factors. I do recall a "simple" LWE to Snowfall chart on the web I'll see if I can find it.

Thanks Andy.There is really no rush on that.I am sure you are probably either are, or will be real busy with the possible storm. I figured it was a fish storm totally then earlier today I see the board in storm mode.At least it does look like the west trend has continued,but how far is the question.

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Yes sir.Like a wind chill chart type of thing.Have the temp on one side the qpf amount on another and the amount in the middle.I am not sure if there is/was such a thing.Kind of like a snow ratio chart for dummies...Thanks!!!!!!!!

Much of what you ask depends on many factors. I do recall a "simple" LWE to Snowfall chart on the web I'll see if I can find it.

The many factors include temperatures aloft and whether or not favorable lift extends into the preferred area for snow growth.

You can find a condensed version on the above here:

"Snow Growth"

ANd you can find the chart that you asked for here:

LWE to Snow

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HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON NY

ISSUED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE STATE COLLEGE PA

331 PM EST THU DEC 16 2010

NYZ009-015>018-022>025-036-037-044>046-055>057-062-PAZ038>040-043-

044-047-048-072-172045-

NORTHERN ONEIDA-YATES-SENECA-SOUTHERN CAYUGA-ONONDAGA-STEUBEN-

SCHUYLER-CHEMUNG-TOMPKINS-MADISON-SOUTHERN ONEIDA-CORTLAND-CHENANGO-

OTSEGO-TIOGA-BROOME-DELAWARE-SULLIVAN-BRADFORD-SUSQUEHANNA-

NORTHERN WAYNE-WYOMING-LACKAWANNA-LUZERNE-PIKE-SOUTHERN WAYNE-

331 PM EST THU DEC 16 2010

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR CENTRAL NEW

YORK...SOUTHEASTERN NEW YORK AND NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA.

.DAY ONE...THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT.

HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS NOT EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...FRIDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY.

A STORM IS EXPECTED TO MOVE UP THE EASTERN SEABOARD LATE SUNDAY

INTO MONDAY. THIS STORM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE SNOW OVER THE

REGION...ESPECIALLY THE EASTERN HALF OF THE AREA. THE EXPECTED

STORM TRACK IS TOO UNCERTAIN TO MENTION ANYTHING MORE SPECIFIC

AT THIS TIME.

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I just looked it up I am ~90 miles northwest of you.My house to Saratoga is ~ 20 miles south of me.Saratoga to Herkimer is ~60 to 70 miles east... Does that sound right to you? I didnt think Saratoga was that much of a jump to Herkimer.

Yea i think u meant your NE of me not NW..That might put u in the tug lol But yea saratoga springs is about 65-70 miles ENE of here..

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Looks like i might add a little more to my seasonal total of 15.5"...

HOWEVER...IN THE

WAKE OF THE WAVE PASSAGE...THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY FOR THE BAND TO

REDEVELOP...AND SHIFT SLIGHTLY SOUTHWARD. AS SUCH...WILL ENHANCE

POPS LATER TONIGHT ACROSS THE SW DACKS AND WESTERN MOHAWK

VALLEY...ESP FOR WEST CENTRAL HERKIMER CO. IN THESE REGIONS...AT

LEAST 1 TO 3 INCHES OF ADDITIONAL SNOWFALL IS LIKELY...ALTHOUGH

THERE IS SOME POSSIBLITY OF SLIGHTLY GREATER AMTS...ESP SHOULD THIS

BAND PERSIST. THE ONE LIMITING FACTOR FOR MORE SIGNIFICANT SNOWBANDS

WILL BE A LOWERING INVERSION HEIGHT LATER TONIGHT...WHICH SHOULD

KEEP SNOWFALL AMTS UNDER THE ADVISORY RANGE.-- End Changed Discussion --

http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=ALY&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off

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If I am looking correctly at the models (and that is leaving a LOT to be desired), this storm is a miss for basically anything north of Albany.I hope I am wrong.It looks (to me) like it has trended west as many on here have picked up on,.... but the storm is either not north enough or has trended too far west and is now going back the other way.

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If I am looking correctly at the models (and that is leaving a LOT to be desired), this storm is a miss for basically anything north of Albany.I hope I am wrong.It looks (to me) like it has trended west as many on here have picked up on,.... but the storm is either not north enough or has trended too far west and is now going back the other way.

Right now, it looks like most of the snow will be east of the HV. But the track will be close. So, It won't take much of a deviation to the west for this storm to get more interesting.

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