100 Degree Or Higher Heat Signal For Our Area This Week

[JBG]

So let's say a repeat of what happened in 1936 happened this summer-- Im not sure it would have been as hot as Friday was. EWR 108? Doubtful, NYC 104? Perhaps....

I think the 104 for KNYC on 7/22 is solid since it's a lot like the 103 of 7/5/2010 and 8/2001. The 106 for KNYC in 1936 and 108 for KEWR yesterday are both outliers and highly doubtful. Just as the streak of 100+ summers from 1952-55 and then 1957.

[A-L-E-X]

I think the 104 for KNYC on 7/22 is solid since it's a lot like the 103 of 7/5/2010 and 8/2001. The 106 for KNYC in 1936 and 108 for KEWR yesterday are both outliers and highly doubtful. Just as the streak of 100+ summers from 1952-55 and then 1957.

The thing that makes the 108 at Newark credible to me is that it hit 106 at Trenton and that was before a thunderstorm hit them and cut their heat short. Also, ACY 105 back to back days.

[A-L-E-X]

Just using my location as a comparison and my wx equipment-- Friday was 1.3 degrees hotter than the hottest it ever got in 2010. And that's saying a lot lol. Saturday was exactly as hot as the second hottest day last year for here (both were back to back then too.)

[famartin]

I think the 104 for KNYC on 7/22 is solid since it's a lot like the 103 of 7/5/2010 and 8/2001. The 106 for KNYC in 1936 and 108 for KEWR yesterday are both outliers and highly doubtful. Just as the streak of 100+ summers from 1952-55 and then 1957.

Why do you consider the 106 from 1936 doubtful? Trenton had the same high that same day.

[BxEngine]

I think that's the record for the whole summer.

I know.

[JBG]

Why do you consider the 106 from 1936 doubtful? Trenton had the same high that same day.

Basically because there are no 105's, and TTN is a far inland location. Also from reading contemporary news coverage there was some cloud cover that day. Also the surrounding stations such as Newark were lower.

I personally believe there were many pre-1960 temperature readings from KNYC, and snowfall readings more recently, that are out of line with surrounding stations and thus doubtful.

[tamarack]

July 22nd had the highest mean on record...94...old record 93...last set in 1995 I think...

Appears to have broken it by a full degree:

94.0....104/84 on 7-22-2011

93.0....104/82 on 7/15/1995

93.0....102/84 on 8/7/1918

92.5....103/82 on 8/9/2001

92.0....102/82 on 7/21/1980

92.0....101/83 on 7/6/1999

92.0....103/81 on 7/6/2010

FWIW, the all time high at the old Battery Place location was also set on 7/9/1936, something like 104.3F. 2nd place was in the neighborhood of 102.8 - wish I could find my 1960 Uncle Wethbee almanac, with the Battery Place daily records.

[uncle W]

Appears to have broken it by a full degree:

94.0....104/84 on 7-22-2011

93.0....104/82 on 7/15/1995

93.0....102/84 on 8/7/1918

92.5....103/82 on 8/9/2001

92.0....102/82 on 7/21/1980

92.0....101/83 on 7/6/1999

92.0....103/81 on 7/6/2010

FWIW, the all time high at the old Battery Place location was also set on 7/9/1936, something like 104.3F. 2nd place was in the neighborhood of 102.8 - wish I could find my 1960 Uncle Wethbee almanac, with the Battery Place daily records.

I had one also that was lost but I still remember some of the records...

The Utah Climate site has daily's from 1948-1960...

http://climate.usurf.usu.edu/products/data.php

[SACRUS]

I had one also that was lost but I still remember some of the records...

The Utah Climate site has daily's from 1948-1960...

http://climate.usurf...oducts/data.php

Unc,

do you have a list of 90 (+) days by season for NYC. I used to have a sheet going bck to 1925 and cant find it.

thanks,

Tony

[uncle W]

Unc,

do you have a list of 90 (+) days by season for NYC. I used to have a sheet going bck to 1925 and cant find it.

thanks,

Tony

you can find it here...

[SACRUS]

you can find it here...

http://www.americanw...-climate-stats/

Thanks. I know Alex was looking for some info on 1977 as well.

[tamarack]

I had one also that was lost but I still remember some of the records...

The Utah Climate site has daily's from 1948-1960...

http://climate.usurf...oducts/data.php

Those are on my NYC spreadsheet. They got 17.0" on 12/12-13/60 (Central Park 15.2") and I'd have liked to see what fell there on the other two KU storms that winter. Wonder why they haven't been able to acquire the older data.

[A-L-E-X]

Those are on my NYC spreadsheet. They got 17.0" on 12/12-13/60 (Central Park 15.2") and I'd have liked to see what fell there on the other two KU storms that winter. Wonder why they haven't been able to acquire the older data.

I know JFK got a big 24.1 inches with the Feb 1961 storm, which started with below zero temps and ended up near freezing; they also reached 2 feet in the Lindsey Storm in Feb 1969. Jan 1961 was heavier south of us; we got about 10 inches and Philly got over a foot (14 inches I think?)

[uncle W]

Those are on my NYC spreadsheet. They got 17.0" on 12/12-13/60 (Central Park 15.2") and I'd have liked to see what fell there on the other two KU storms that winter. Wonder why they haven't been able to acquire the older data.

I think they closed shop December 31st 1960 and the official readings were switched to Central Park...

[uncle W]

Today is the first day below 70 degrees since 7/15...nine straight days...There are 21 days with a minimum of 70 or higher so far...Here is a list since 1930 of total days with a minimum of 70 or above and consecutive days with a minimum 70 or above...2005 has the most since 1930 (1906 has the most with 61) and 2010 and 1980 have the most consecutive days...1962 has the least...The 1960's had five summers with less than 20 days...The other 70 years only had five below 20...

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year total min 70+ consecutive 70+

1930..........26............8

1931..........34............7

1932..........25............6

1933..........33............6

1934..........26............4

1935..........29..........11

1936..........20............4

1937..........28............6

1938..........34..........12

1939..........44..........13

1940..........24............8

1941..........27............6

1942..........20............4

1943..........30............4

1944..........41..........14

1945..........29............4

1946..........11............3

1947..........30............5

1948..........29............6

1949..........43..........10

1950..........13............5

1951..........23............7

1952..........38..........12

1953..........34..........10

1954..........18............5

1955..........45..........13

1956..........20............5

1957..........31............5

1958..........26............4

1959..........46..........10

1960..........20............5

1961..........42............9

1962............8............2

1963..........14............5

1964..........19............4

1965..........17............4

1966..........40..........11

1967..........17............5

1968..........29............6

1969..........33............6

1970..........37..........10

1971..........45............9

1972..........30..........15

1973..........37..........11

1974..........26............3

1975..........23..........12

1976..........24............4

1977..........37............9

1978..........31..........13

1979..........42..........17

1980..........52..........22

1981..........39............8

1982..........30..........12

1983..........45..........13

1984..........40..........16

1985..........34............6

1986..........31............4

1987..........32............7

1988..........42..........21

1989..........28............5

1990..........32............8

1991..........31............7

1992..........14............4

1993..........35..........10

1994..........35............9

1995..........39..........18

1996..........22............5

1997..........27............8

1998..........39..........11

1999..........45..........13

2000..........22............4

2001..........30............9

2002..........43............9

2003..........33..........15

2004..........28............6

2005..........60..........14

2006..........41..........15

2007..........35............8

2008..........35............8

2009..........18............5

2010..........54..........22

2011..........21............9 as of 7/25

1876..........46..........14

1906..........61..........17

1908..........54..........16

[famartin]

Those are on my NYC spreadsheet. They got 17.0" on 12/12-13/60 (Central Park 15.2") and I'd have liked to see what fell there on the other two KU storms that winter. Wonder why they haven't been able to acquire the older data.

Oddly, NCDC has focused on keying old COOP data, but not old official NWS data. If I ever work for Upton, I'll have to make sure that gets done.

[tamarack]

I know JFK got a big 24.1 inches with the Feb 1961 storm, which started with below zero temps and ended up near freezing; they also reached 2 feet in the Lindsey Storm in Feb 1969. Jan 1961 was heavier south of us; we got about 10 inches and Philly got over a foot (14 inches I think?)

In my old NNJ BY, about 30 miles west of NYC and at 690' elev, we got a highly unofficial 18" in the Dec blizzard, 20" in the JFK inaugural storm (most at about 10F), and 24" on Feb. 3-4 that brought the total depth to over 40". Probably a bit over 100" for the winter, but hard to retro-figure from 50-yr old memories. (My daily wx measurements began in 12/1961, and though the NJ records are lost, my having once written them down has made them more likely to be remembered.)

[A-L-E-X]

In my old NNJ BY, about 30 miles west of NYC and at 690' elev, we got a highly unofficial 18" in the Dec blizzard, 20" in the JFK inaugural storm (most at about 10F), and 24" on Feb. 3-4 that brought the total depth to over 40". Probably a bit over 100" for the winter, but hard to retro-figure from 50-yr old memories. (My daily wx measurements began in 12/1961, and though the NJ records are lost, my having once written them down has made them more likely to be remembered.)

That was a nice winter, but pretty much over for us after the early February storm-- our total was around 60" for the season.

My perfect winter would be a combo of last winter and 1960-61 for the beginning and 1966-67 for the middle of winter and to close it out!

[tamarack]

That was a nice winter, but pretty much over for us after the early February storm-- our total was around 60" for the season.

My perfect winter would be a combo of last winter and 1960-61 for the beginning and 1966-67 for the middle of winter and to close it out!

Wow! I can't imagine how the 4" and 15" storms of Feb. 6-7, 1967 would impact the area right after the blizzard of Feb. 1961. Can you say 60" snowpack?

1961 did a little better in inland NNJ than closer to NYC, with 12" of tree-bending surprise on 3/23 and a couple 3-4" slushfests in mid April, but still much less a weenie treat than March, 1967.

[A-L-E-X]

Wow! I can't imagine how the 4" and 15" storms of Feb. 6-7, 1967 would impact the area right after the blizzard of Feb. 1961. Can you say 60" snowpack?

1961 did a little better in inland NNJ than closer to NYC, with 12" of tree-bending surprise on 3/23 and a couple 3-4" slushfests in mid April, but still much less a weenie treat than March, 1967.

Yes indeed-- Long Island got over 30 inches of snow in both February and March 1967 and had their latest 0 temp on March 19, 1967. 75" of snow for the season, which was their max until 1995-96 broke it with 91" We needed all that snow and cold after the historic 1966 summer and drought

[A-L-E-X]

My favorite years for extremes were 1966-67, 1976-78, 1993-94, 1995-96, 2002-03, and 2009-12 (hopefully lol).

[JBG]

That was a nice winter, but pretty much over for us after the early February storm-- our total was around 60" for the season.

My perfect winter would be a combo of last winter and 1960-61 for the beginning and 1966-67 for the middle of winter and to close it out!

Wow! I can't imagine how the 4" and 15" storms of Feb. 6-7, 1967 would impact the area right after the blizzard of Feb. 1961. Can you say 60" snowpack?

1961 did a little better in inland NNJ than closer to NYC, with 12" of tree-bending surprise on 3/23 and a couple 3-4" slushfests in mid April, but still much less a weenie treat than March, 1967.

Those sorts of combos are unlikely. There are reasons we don't have Yellowstone's snowpacks.

[A-L-E-X]

Those sorts of combos are unlikely. There are reasons we don't have Yellowstone's snowpacks.

Maybe last winter with a weak la nina would have given us that.

[Analog96]

That was a nice winter, but pretty much over for us after the early February storm-- our total was around 60" for the season.

My perfect winter would be a combo of last winter and 1960-61 for the beginning and 1966-67 for the middle of winter and to close it out!

How about a straight mix 50/50 of 1993-94 and 1995-96?

[nzucker]

How about a straight mix 50/50 of 1993-94 and 1995-96?

I thought this last winter was like that....we had the bigger storms like 95-96 with most of the area receiving 18"+ in either 12/26 or 1/27, but we also had the extended snow cover and cold temperatures of Jan/Feb 1994, though not to the same extreme. The one limiting factor for Winter 2010-11 was its longevity; we didn't see much but dry, lip-chapping cold until after Christmas, and the winter was essentially over after the 2/3 SW flow icing event. Central Park had snow in every month from Nov-April in 95-96, and 93-94 had a nice comeback in March after the pattern moderated a bit. The lackluster second half certainly brought this winter's overall ranking down, given that Central Park looked like a lock to break the total snowfall record after 19" on 1/27 and the prognostications of the models. Overall, though, Winter 10-11 was a bit of a mix between the large Nor'easters of 95-96 and the wintry environment of 93-94 with all the smaller storms in January and December being -4.5F at KNYC. Central Park trailed only 47-48 for the most consecutive snow cover days, and my area saw three storms over 12"....

[A-L-E-X]

I thought this last winter was like that....we had the bigger storms like 95-96 with most of the area receiving 18"+ in either 12/26 or 1/27, but we also had the extended snow cover and cold temperatures of Jan/Feb 1994, though not to the same extreme. The one limiting factor for Winter 2010-11 was its longevity; we didn't see much but dry, lip-chapping cold until after Christmas, and the winter was essentially over after the 2/3 SW flow icing event. Central Park had snow in every month from Nov-April in 95-96, and 93-94 had a nice comeback in March after the pattern moderated a bit. The lackluster second half certainly brought this winter's overall ranking down, given that Central Park looked like a lock to break the total snowfall record after 19" on 1/27 and the prognostications of the models. Overall, though, Winter 10-11 was a bit of a mix between the large Nor'easters of 95-96 and the wintry environment of 93-94 with all the smaller storms in January and December being -4.5F at KNYC. Central Park trailed only 47-48 for the most consecutive snow cover days, and my area saw three storms over 12"....

The winter was a B+

The winter before was a B+ also

1993-94 was an A-

2002-03 and 1995-96 were both A's

If January were colder and snowier (hard to believe since we had Jan 96 but we had a total meltdown that month) both had the potential to be A+.... like with last winter had it continued through February and March and with the winter prior if 2/6/10 had hit us and if January has been snowier.

[nzucker]

The winter was a B+

The winter before was a B+ also

1993-94 was an A-

2002-03 and 1995-96 were both A's

If January were colder and snowier (hard to believe since we had Jan 96 but we had a total meltdown that month) both had the potential to be A+.... like with last winter had it continued through February and March and with the winter prior if 2/6/10 had hit us and if January has been snowier.

My grades would be like this for winters I remember in Westchester...

10-11: A (near perfect except March sucked, did have 8" here on 2/21)

09-10: B+ (lack of arctic cold and missed brunt of 12/19 and 2/5)

03-04: B+ (February was a disappointment, finished almost 20" less snow than last year)

02-03: A- (only got 16" in PDII, March was lackluster)

95-96: A (just barely missed an A+ with Jan torch)

I don't have a good recollection of 93-94, but I believe about 60" fell in Dobbs Ferry looking at records. This is substantially less than Winters 10-11 or 09-10, so I couldn't award an A+....An A might be appropriate despite the 60" and only one storm of 12", just because of the cold and ice. I do remember digging snow forts in Lake Como, PA that winter...snowpack was probably around 3 feet judging from the old photo my parents have.

[A-L-E-X]

My grades would be like this for winters I remember in Westchester...

10-11: A (near perfect except March sucked, did have 8" here on 2/21)

09-10: B+ (lack of arctic cold and missed brunt of 12/19 and 2/5)

03-04: B+ (February was a disappointment, finished almost 20" less snow than last year)

02-03: A- (only got 16" in PDII, March was lackluster)

95-96: A (just barely missed an A+ with Jan torch)

I don't have a good recollection of 93-94, but I believe about 60" fell in Dobbs Ferry looking at records. This is substantially less than Winters 10-11 or 09-10, so I couldn't award an A+....An A might be appropriate despite the 60" and only one storm of 12", just because of the cold and ice. I do remember digging snow forts in Lake Como, PA that winter...snowpack was probably around 3 feet judging from the old photo my parents have.

10-11 February sucked also..... with that kind of pattern and February supposed to be the snowiest month-- anything less than 20" in February would have been disappointing and we barely got anything.

[uncle W]

1995-96 was the closest to having snow from Thanksgiving to Easter...1993-94 and 1995-96 must be near the top for hours with frozen precipitation falling ...

[yhbrooklyn]