baroclinic_instability Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I understand climate and I have said this several times. Considering minneapolis, most of the big cities on the east coast, chicago, dakotas, and other places all had a 15 inch + snow storm. Not into all of their climates but I am sure it's not normal for them either (pardon me for my ignorance here if I am wrong about other locations climates). So while it was snowy here which was nice, we didn't get the big one. Thats a fact and I am not complaining. Everyone on here think SE MI posters are whining/complaining when we say what really happened. I don't expect a 18 inch snowstorm every year. I expect atleast one 12 inch plus storm and a rare 15-20 inch one once every 2-3 years. The fact that alot of areas had one last year just puts a slight damper on the record snowfall last year. Done trying to explain myself and several of the MI posters that get criticized, (whether your joking or not) it gets old. Hope everyone has a happy 4th of July. God bless our troops. You might have better luck if you move to the Sierra Nevada Range then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppsRunner Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I understand climate and I have said this several times. Considering minneapolis, most of the big cities on the east coast, chicago, dakotas, and other places all had a 15 inch + snow storm. Not into all of their climates but I am sure it's not normal for them either (pardon me for my ignorance here if I am wrong about other locations climates). So while it was snowy here which was nice, we didn't get the big one. Thats a fact and I am not complaining. Everyone on here think SE MI posters are whining/complaining when we say what really happened. I don't expect a 18 inch snowstorm every year. I expect atleast one 12 inch plus storm and a rare 15-20 inch one once every 2-3 years. The fact that alot of areas had one last year just puts a slight damper on the record snowfall last year. Done trying to explain myself and several of the MI posters that get criticized, (whether your joking or not) it gets old. Hope everyone has a happy 4th of July. God bless our troops. lol... good luck with that. As others posted that's a once in 10 years type of event (12"+) And if it's a "rare 15-20 inch storm", why would you expect one every 2.5 years. EDIT: Heck, TOL has only had 5, 12"+ storms since 1900. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHSnow Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 lol... good luck with that. As others posted that's a once in 10 years type of event (12"+) And if it's a "rare 15-20 inch storm", why would you expect one every 2.5 years. EDIT: Heck, TOL has only had 5, 12"+ storms since 1900. Shaping up to be a classic summer up that way. Just 0.56" of rain at TOL since May 29th, which is 12.5% of normal. These are the numbers for TOL since 5/29: Avg. High: 83.8 (+4.4) Avg. Low: 60.1 (+2.1) No. of 90+ Days: 11 Precipitation: 0.56" (-3.90") The last three days at TOL ran 91, 98, and 90, and at TDZ 95, 100, and 94. No relief in sight with temps generally above normal (mid to upper 80s) and minimal rainfall over the next week or longer (only chance is Wednesday afternoon and night). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Here are pics from the storm last night at Comerica Park, along with a video, and then some of the standing water and downed branches that were still evident when I got home around 1 a.m. The sky was creepy as many in SE MI commented it was a black/orange color. My pic makes it look orange/pink, but it was more orange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Understanding local climo goes a long way. If you're in southeast Michigan and you're expecting a 18" storm every year or even every 5 years, you're going to be disappointed. This, also the same goes for expecting every storm or watch to yield major convection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I understand climate and I have said this several times. Considering minneapolis, most of the big cities on the east coast, chicago, dakotas, and other places all had a 15 inch + snow storm. Not into all of their climates but I am sure it's not normal for them either (pardon me for my ignorance here if I am wrong about other locations climates). So while it was snowy here which was nice, we didn't get the big one. Thats a fact and I am not complaining. Everyone on here think SE MI posters are whining/complaining when we say what really happened. I don't expect a 18 inch snowstorm every year. I expect atleast one 12 inch plus storm and a rare 15-20 inch one once every 2-3 years. The fact that alot of areas had one last year just puts a slight damper on the record snowfall last year. Done trying to explain myself and several of the MI posters that get criticized, (whether your joking or not) it gets old. Hope everyone has a happy 4th of July. God bless our troops. I'm sorry but climo clearly would state that anything above 14" is extremely rare and there was complaining about snow amounts when its foolish to complain about not getting 15" when the area received 12" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 The clouds look amazing right now. You know those riverbeds on satellite all spiking out everywhere, well that's what it looks like. This: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 This, also the same goes for expecting every storm or watch to yield major convection. Yup. Detroit has snow records going back 131 years and precip records 141 years, and weve just notched the 5th snowiest winter and 2nd wettest spring on record. No one anywhere will get everything they want out of the weather, but there really should NOT be complaining in SE MI this year. LOL how much complaining would a normal year yield? or perhaps a crummy winter with one good snowstorm or crummy summer with one severe outbreak, would that please those who yearn for an extreme event, which is so brief, instead of excessive snow/storms spanning over an ENTIRE season? The 16" snowdepth at DTW this Feb was the deepest since 24" in Jan 1999. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMIweather Posted July 4, 2011 Author Share Posted July 4, 2011 This, also the same goes for expecting every storm or watch to yield major convection. Yeah tbh we've had a good season here thus far with 5/23, 5/29, 5/31, 6/8, 6/21, 6/22, and 7/2 producing to some extent thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I'm sorry but climo clearly would state that anything above 14" is extremely rare and there was complaining about snow amounts when its foolish to complain about not getting 15" when the area received 12" Dont expect every storm to yield major convection. Maybe 2-3 out of 7. Just normal I guess for the storms to produce more further west .Also I live north of detroit and I have had a few 12-14 inch snowstorms the past 4-5 years but nothing over 15 inches. We usually do better than say detroit/toledo. I suppose my expectations are too high but I can't help being a extreme weather enthusiast. And once again I am not complaining, just saying the lack of a big event (there were several last winter) put a little damper on the overall winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Yeah tbh we've had a good season here thus far with 5/23, 5/29, 5/31, 6/8, 6/21, 6/22, and 7/2 producing to some extent thus far. Exactly, just because convection doesn't hit your specific location doesn't mean that it didn't produce. Hell yesterday my area in Macomb County missed the brunt of the storm. Would I consider yesterday a bust? Maybe if I was crazy, but thats how some posts come off if their specific location doesn't receive storms. Rarely does an entire area get hit with storms evenly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Dont expect every storm to yield major convection. Maybe 2-3 out of 7. Just normal I guess for the storms to produce more further west .Also I live north of detroit and I have had a few 12-14 inch snowstorms the past 4-5 years but nothing over 15 inches. We usually do better than say detroit/toledo. I suppose my expectations are too high but I can't help being a extreme weather enthusiast. And once again I am not complaining, just saying the lack of a big event (there were several last winter) put a little damper on the overall winter. Your expectations are too high though, I mean you had a few 12-14" storms. It's silly to get bent out of shape over not breaking the 15" mark. As for the convection yielding better to the west issue, there are a few reasons. One typically more instability to the West across Central Michigan, two we have Lake St. Clair/Huron/Erie influencing the area. Lastly the slope of the area is such that we have a downsloping effect from the Irish Hills to the West all the way to Lake St. Clair/Huron/Erie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 This last page or so is a prime example of why some of you need to stop posting. Yet another thread turned into a Michigan clusterf*ck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 This last page or so is a prime example of why some of you need to stop posting. Yet another thread turned into a Michigan clusterf*ck. Some people just need to understand their climatology records, there is a reason this data is kept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Some people just need to understand their climatology records, there is a reason this data is kept. That would take common sense, some posters just don't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 That would take common sense, some posters just don't have it. Sadly, some are more inclined to b**ch about missing damaging storms or overly high expectations not met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Central Saskatchewan... it says CST but I think it's MST TORNADO WARNING ISSUED BY ENVIRONMENT CANADA AT 7:58 PM CST SUNDAY 3 JULY 2011. --------------------------------------------------------------------- TORNADO WARNING FOR: =NEW= R.M. OF WREFORD INCLUDING NOKOMIS AND VENN =NEW= R.M. OF MOUNT HOPE INCLUDING SEMANS. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ==DISCUSSION== ENVIRONMENT CANADA METEOROLOGISTS ARE TRACKING A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. AT 7:50 PM CST DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED THAT THIS STORM WAS NEAR NOKOMIS AND WAS MOVING TOWARD THE EAST AT 40 KM/H. IN ADDITION TO A TORNADO, THIS THUNDERSTORM HAS THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE DESTRUCTIVE GOLF BALL SIZED HAIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Here are pics from the storm last night at Comerica Park, along with a video, and then some of the standing water and downed branches that were still evident when I got home around 1 a.m. The sky was creepy as many in SE MI commented it was a black/orange color. My pic makes it look orange/pink, but it was more orange. really like this pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricaneman Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 the red clouds make this freaky yet cool, great pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMADreamer Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 This last page or so is a prime example of why some of you need to stop posting. Yet another thread turned into a Michigan clusterf*ck. Yeah, it's getting old. Real old. We had actual severe weather going on today and what happens in the severe weather thread? MI people bitching about not getting severe weather. They should have their own section of the forum or just one sticky thread "Mi people b**ch here, leave the rest of the threads b**ch free." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 really like this pic. Thanks They had an awesome pic on TV of the orange clouds over Comerica captured by the cameras during the rain delay. It was unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMIweather Posted July 4, 2011 Author Share Posted July 4, 2011 Yeah, it's getting old. Real old. We had actual severe weather going on today and what happens in the severe weather thread? MI people bitching about not getting severe weather. They should have their own section of the forum or just one sticky thread "Mi people b**ch here, leave the rest of the threads b**ch free." It's even stupider because as I said, 7/2 has been the biggest outbreak so far this year in DTX's CWA. And yes I realize I am contributing to the problem with this post, so this will be my last post about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 lolz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Sounds like Essex County is one step closer to outdoor storm sirens http://www.windsorstar.com/Storm+Rocks+Windsor+intense+like+never+seen/5041773/story.html The Windsor Star has become an outpost for angry articles directed at the media and government for not utilizing their abilities to warn the public. Detroit tv stations have begun addressing Essex County weather emergencies because Ontario stations won't interrupt programming or even scroll weather bulletins. Anyway, Essex County and Monroe County Michigan are apparently working on a tornado siren system for the county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Yeah, it's getting old. Real old. We had actual severe weather going on today and what happens in the severe weather thread? MI people bitching about not getting severe weather. They should have their own section of the forum or just one sticky thread "Mi people b**ch here, leave the rest of the threads b**ch free." The thread was dead and there wasn't much severe weather. There was maybe one page of our discussuon. Acting like its a chore to click your mouse and skip the page. Sure it might not be the best place and make it hard to pick out the severe weather discussion for one page as a result of clearing the air on a few things, but it's not as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Instead people have to complain. Ever think your complaining about MI posters just compounds the issue. I don't complain. I was STATING that up until this severe event we had been 0-7 in my neck of the woods. Several people said I'm expecting convection every time and that's not the case. Just simple stating it has been absent. I can't help it there are a lot of Michigan posters. We were having a civil discussion. Relax. Every one needs to relax and stop thinking everytime someone from Michigan posts that's its complaining or exaggerate and take things out of context. As far as winter goes I understand climate but when several locations get a snow storm that's bigger than their climate suggests and we don't it just makes you wanting more and be a part of that storm. Just my opinion and not complaining. This is my last post on here. Should be able to post my opinion and facts without everyone saying "there's another MI poster bitching and whining. There's goes another thread all about Michigan. Maybe the threads all about MI because alot of the posters live/or are from there? And if the mods thought it was neccessary and "out of control" don't you think they would've created a MI thread? It derailed the thread for one page. Life goes on. More important things to worry about. Rant is over. Take care guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek30 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Sounds like Essex County is one step closer to outdoor storm sirens http://www.windsorst...1773/story.html The Windsor Star has become an outpost for angry articles directed at the media and government for not utilizing their abilities to warn the public. Detroit tv stations have begun addressing Essex County weather emergencies because Ontario stations won't interrupt programming or even scroll weather bulletins. Anyway, Essex County and Monroe County Michigan are apparently working on a tornado siren system for the county. I think it's a good idea for more Canadian communities to do this. I live in a small town (pop 3,000) in southern MB and we had warning sirens installed last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek30 Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 Latest HRRR runs explode convection in southern Manitoba and northern North Dakota by early to mid afternoon. Supercell structures are possible early with a slight risk of a tornado but things looks to merge quickly into a big time squall line, tracking southeast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I think the bigger threat will come later this week for you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 I think it's a good idea for more Canadian communities to do this. I live in a small town (pop 3,000) in southern MB and we had warning sirens installed last year. Altona was under a tornado warning today, is everything alright? I saw on the news at some poiont that Brandon and Altona installed sirens. Lambton County ON has a network of tornado sirens, and so does the town of Elmira about 15km north of here. Other cities in Ontario probably have them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Marusak Posted July 4, 2011 Share Posted July 4, 2011 whatever's going on in altona and dominion city is heading southeast into northern MN. and the storms are looking nasty, even on the EC radars that i can get to. i wonder how much EC/MSC winnipeg is coordinating with GFK on these storms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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