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Winter 2011-2012


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I don't think you want to hear it unless you like sunny and 65.

You heard it here first. Widre's forecast for the southeast for the entire winter is sunny and 65. This includes the higher elevations of the Smoky Mountains, Appalachians, and the sub-tropical areas of South Florida. It also includes the middle of the night.

That's right. A constant temperature, no setting sun, no clouds, no precip the entire winter.

I could say partly cloudy and 66 and be just as right. Way to go.

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You heard it here first. Widre's forecast for the southeast for the entire winter is sunny and 65. This includes the higher elevations of the Smoky Mountains, Appalachians, and the sub-tropical areas of South Florida. It also includes the middle of the night.

That's right. A constant temperature, no setting sun, no clouds, no precip the entire winter.

I could say partly cloudy and 66 and be just as right. Way to go.

Yet another example of why I dont use this forum as a serious place for weather discussion - note to moderator - get on the ball, clean it up and people will come!

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LOL, good to see things haven't changed much around here. I see Widre is up to his normal tricks again. I've been on these weather boards going on 7 years and Widre has been doing this act since I've been on but don't let him fool you, he does know somethings about the science. Just wait until we're tracking the first snowstorm of the year on radar, that's when he's at his finest!

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LOL, good to see things haven't changed much around here. I see Widre is up to his normal tricks again. I've been on these weather boards going on 7 years and Widre has been doing this act since I've been on but don't let him fool you, he does know somethings about the science. Just wait until we're tracking the first snowstorm of the year on radar, that's when he's at his finest!

Then I'll bookmark this thread and point out his global forecast of sunny and 65.

As to tracking things on the radar, that doesn't take much skill compared to forecasting. Tracking things on a radar is just reading it. Forecasting is actually interpreting the data and putting your reputation on the line.

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sounds like a wish cast

You heard it here first. Widre's forecast for the southeast for the entire winter is sunny and 65. This includes the higher elevations of the Smoky Mountains, Appalachians, and the sub-tropical areas of South Florida. It also includes the middle of the night.

That's right. A constant temperature, no setting sun, no clouds, no precip the entire winter.

I could say partly cloudy and 66 and be just as right. Way to go.

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Yet another example of why I dont use this forum as a serious place for weather discussion - note to moderator - get on the ball, clean it up and people will come!

I agree that some of the "mess" needs to be eradicated, and this thread was destined for disaster from the beginning.

However, it is what you make of it; by allowing Widre and the various teenagers that run amuck to bother you, your experience will be undesirable. Check out the "Weather Forecasting and Discussion Forum" if you're searching for more strict scientific discussion.

I will say that we are severely lacking in posters from Middle and Western Tennessee, and your observations would make a great addition.

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I agree that some of the "mess" needs to be eradicated, and this thread was destined for disaster from the beginning.

However, it is what you make of it; by allowing Widre and the various teenagers that run amuck to bother you, your experience will be undesirable. Check out the "Weather Forecasting and Discussion Forum" if you're searching for more strict scientific discussion.

I will say that we are severely lacking in posters from Middle and Western Tennessee, and your observations would make a great addition.

Agreed. By the way, I see the front hasn't completely gotten to you in Unicoi. Just wait. It's already in the mid 40s at my house in west Knox.

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Agreed. By the way, I see the front hasn't completely gotten to you in Unicoi. Just wait. It's already in the mid 40s at my house in west Knox.

It hasn't, and as a result is still quite rainy. Not that I mind...

The temperature has dropped from 64° around noon to 55.8° now, and there's little breeze to speak of.

But, uh, anyway...winter...

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It hasn't, and as a result is still quite rainy. Not that I mind...

The temperature has dropped from 64° around noon to 55.8° now, and there's little breeze to speak of.

But, uh, anyway...winter...

Winter is coming. This was the 06z GFS for today. It's been pretty consistent for this time frame. We'll have to see how it holds in the <180 hour range.

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Yes, we now have more snow cover around the globe than this time last year.

http://www.americanw...x/page__st__180

I always portend that October isn't a good time to compare years since so much can change from week to week, or day to day. Plus we had little snowcover for the October 1st cold front that was well below normal for the time of year.

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Then I'll bookmark this thread and point out his global forecast of sunny and 65.

As to tracking things on the radar, that doesn't take much skill compared to forecasting. Tracking things on a radar is just reading it. Forecasting is actually interpreting the data and putting your reputation on the line.

I'm not defending Widre but I doubt his sunny and 65 was a forecast. You'll know it when he's making a forecast. That was just Widre's way of getting stuff started.

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Yet another example of why I dont use this forum as a serious place for weather discussion - note to moderator - get on the ball, clean it up and people will come!

I'm going to have to disagree w/ this statement. This place would not be near as fun if it was moderated any different than it is now. Imo, Lookout does a fantastic job w/ the southeast forum. During the busy times of winter he spends a lot of time here making sure the southeast forum is the best.

As far as serious weather discussion goes, you're not going to find a better place than here to discuss upcoming events. Sure you have some joking around but who wants it to be serious around here all the time? I know I don't. I've got to know a lot of people here over the last 7 years as we've jumped from WWB to Eastern to now American and I don't want this to become some over moderated forum that I can't cut up w/ my fellow weather weenies from time to time. Of course this is just my opinion and I'm sorry you don't find this a place to seriously discuss weather.

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I'm not defending Widre but I doubt his sunny and 65 was a forecast. You'll know it when he's making a forecast. That was just Widre's way of getting stuff started.

Sunny and 65 can't possibly be a legitimate forecast. We've never had a winter where every day was sunny and 65. Even San Diego probably has no such winter on record. That is obviously a joke. The idea, of course, is that weather will favor warm and dry, because of the Nina and the general trends we've seen this year.

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Sunny and 65 can't possibly be a legitimate forecast. We've never had a winter where every day was sunny and 65. Even San Diego probably has no such winter on record. That is obviously a joke. The idea, of course, is that weather will favor warm and dry, because of the Nina and the general trends we've seen this year.

Yep and I agree with you in general. This is going to be a long winter if you are correct. I can see the cliff divers now.....:arrowhead:

NOAA really went out on a limb with their SE forecast. Equal chances for normal, warm and colder weather.

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I always portend that October isn't a good time to compare years since so much can change from week to week, or day to day. Plus we had little snowcover for the October 1st cold front that was well below normal for the time of year.

This study says that the key time and place for snowcover is October in Eurasia (this is from the main board) - http://www.nws.noaa.gov/ost/climate/STIP/FY11CTBSeminars/jcohen_062211.pdf

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Yep and I agree with you in general. This is going to be a long winter if you are correct. I can see the cliff divers now.....:arrowhead:

NOAA really went out on a limb with their SE forecast. Equal chances for normal, warm and colder weather.

Talk about going all out.wacko.gif What was with the new "Model" they referenced in their forecast? Did I miss something?

Edit: Now I see.poster_oops.gif

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NOAA forecasting an equal chance of a warm or cool winter for the SE is "going all out"? I'm not too sure how that is, if they flat out predicted a cool winter while in a La Nina phase that would be going out on a limb. I think it's good that they are playing it safe by saying it could go either way because it certainly could. Just because La Nina will be around doesn't mean it will automatically be warm and dry, anything could throw a monkey wrench into that.

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So many people just don't get the probabilistic nature of weather forecasting, especially in the long term. "Equal chances" is very much a forecast and very much a strong forecast. The only thing I'd fault them for is not showing the full probability distribution for each location and instead picking the highest points on the curves and putting those on a map.

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NOAA forecasting an equal chance of a warm or cool winter for the SE is "going all out"? I'm not too sure how that is, if they flat out predicted a cool winter while in a La Nina phase that would be going out on a limb. I think it's good that they are playing it safe by saying it could go either way because it certainly could. Just because La Nina will be around doesn't mean it will automatically be warm and dry, anything could throw a monkey wrench into that.

my head just exploded..... either you did not pick up on the sarcasm in the last two posts about NOAA's forecast or you are really good at it yourself. Contrary to Widerman I am not a fan of "playing it safe" with equal chances.

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my head just exploded..... either you did not pick up on the sarcasm in the last two posts about NOAA's forecast or you are really good at it yourself. Contrary to Widerman I am not a fan of "playing it safe" with equal chances.

No, I didn't, if I did I obviously wouldn't have bothered responding. Sometimes sarcasm isn't easily picked up on a forum as it is when you're face to face.

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