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June 11-12 storm and rain talk


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everyone gets split sometimes.. Dc gets split every time.. Just about.

There is no observational basis for a DC split.

See below study, it is recent (published this year) and is an analysis of warm season convection over the NE US as a function of radar and cloud-to-ground lightning.

dendrite.somas.stonybrook.edu/Presentations/Colleetal_WAF2011.ppt

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There is no observational basis for a DC split.

See below study, it is recent (published this year) and is an analysis of warm season convection over the NE US as a function of radar and cloud-to-ground lightning.

dendrite.somas.stonybrook.edu/Presentations/Colleetal_WAF2011.ppt

cool..

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cool..

I know it's nice what we can do with long observational records of radar/lightning now. I also remember an article in BAMS several years back which was titled something like "Do Thunderstorms Avoid Meteorologists?", basically addressing the myths perpetrating from areas which have large meteorologist populations (i.e. DC, Norman) but I can't track it down.

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I know it's nice what we can do with long observational records of radar/lightning now. I also remember an article in BAMS several years back which was titled something like "Do Thunderstorms Avoid Meteorologists?", basically addressing the myths perpetrating from areas which have large meteorologist populations (i.e. DC, Norman) but I can't track it down.

I'm well aware it's at least partly urban myth.. But still, sometimes...

Norman area also has highest per capita tornadoes... So storms must not miss all mets. ;)

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I'm well aware it's at least partly urban myth.. But still, sometimes...

Norman area also has highest per capita tornadoes... So storms must not miss all mets. ;)

It's mostly urban myth. I found that study for you, I actually suggest everyone to read it, if anything it's really interesting.

http://journals.amet...5/BAMS-86-3-341

You must not know many people from Norman....they sound just like most of the people on this board...when in reality they just don't know how good they have it.

And what is great about this study is that DC was one of the focus areas.

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It's mostly urban myth. I found that study for you, I actually suggest everyone to read it, if anything it's really interesting.

http://journals.amet...5/BAMS-86-3-341

You must not know many people from Norman....they sound just like most of the people on this board...when in reality they just don't know how good they have it.

And what is great about this study is that DC was one of the focus areas.

I'll take a look. I'm sure it's mostly psychological... Most people that get missed by convection which is often broken don't even pay attention enough to notice.

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I'll take a look. I'm sure it's mostly psychological... Most people that get missed by convection which is often broken don't even pay attention enough to notice.

Exactly, we tend to remember the let down better than the jackpot.

Now you can make an argument that there are urban effects related to convection, but those relationships are not clear cut and are very much an area of active research.

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I'll take a look. I'm sure it's mostly psychological... Most people that get missed by convection which is often broken don't even pay attention enough to notice.

Here's a recent study by a group at Purdue, who found observational and modeling-based evidence that there was a distinct urban effect on convection:

I don't have AMS access at home, and based on the abstract I couldn't tell if they found that the urban effects lead to increased/decreased storm strength, but it does specifically say that the structure was more likely to be altered as it moved over the urban areas than other storms that moved over rural areas.

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2010JAMC1836.1?journalCode=apme

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