NB-Weather Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Wow, can see lightning from this storm already and i"m located at the coast. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold214 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Yeah its definitely from the EML, but there is still a lot of questions as to why. It would be interesting to find out exactly what causes the ridiculous increase in lightning. I'm sure that fat CAPE you mentioned is a big reason and how it affects the charges. Its funny how you immediately think of those southern plains storms when you see lightning like this and of course, they usually have EML's in place for their events. Its fun to watch at night though. I'm actually going outside now to see if I can see the light show down near the MA?CT border to my SW. I can usually get a solid 30-40 miles on light shows, so I should be able to see this one. Yeah, you should be able to see it...there's a ton of lightning in northern Windham county right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 WOW.....GREAT light show to the south right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeVries Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Wow, can see lightning from this storm already and i"m located at the coast. Interesting. Dude, we're like 20 miles away from that bad boy and JUST got bombed with a close C to G strike that briefly knocked out power. Actually we are getting quite a few ground shakers still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamrivers Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I am at least 20 miles away as well....and sky still very lit up and the house just shook a few minutes againo from thunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Yeah its definitely from the EML, but there is still a lot of questions as to why. It would be interesting to find out exactly what causes the ridiculous increase in lightning. I'm sure that fat CAPE you mentioned is a big reason and how it affects the charges. Its funny how you immediately think of those southern plains storms when you see lightning like this and of course, they usually have EML's in place for their events. Its fun to watch at night though. I'm actually going outside now to see if I can see the light show down near the MA?CT border to my SW. I can usually get a solid 30-40 miles on light shows, so I should be able to see this one. A total hypothesis here--- I'm thinking it has something to do with the polarity of water molecules, in contrast to the lack of polarity of the diatomic gases (N2, O2) that comprise the "dry" part of the atmosphere. The dipole of water molecules will tend to align with the electric field present within a cloud due to charge separation, and in doing that, will dampen that electric field. In other words water vapor will kinda act as a dielectric. This is evidenced by the fact that water has a temperature-dependent dielectric constant of about 30-80x that of dry air at STP. Since an EML by definition is comprised of low-RH air, EML air could potentially allow a greater electric field to build. Just a hypothesis though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB-Weather Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Whole line seems to be intensifying as it gets closer to the coast. Not used to seeing this.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 WOW.....GREAT light show to the south right now. Agreed. This is crazy. Seems like it's been going on forever. Unlike any thunder/ lightning experience I've ever had. Lightning has been going on non-stop for quite a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 A total hypothesis here--- I'm thinking it has something to do with the polarity of water molecules, in contrast to the lack of polarity of the diatomic gases (N2, O2) that comprise the "dry" part of the atmosphere. The dipole of water molecules will tend to align with the electric field present within a cloud due to charge separation, and in doing that, will dampen that electric field. In other words water vapor will kinda act as a dielectric. This is evidenced by the fact that water has a temperature-dependent dielectric constant of about 30-80x that of dry air at STP. Since an EML by definition is comprised of low-RH air, EML air could potentially allow a greater electric field to build. Just a hypothesis though. Certainly makes sense. i know there is ongoing research in this stuff. These EMLs definitely seem to produce major lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB-Weather Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Winds are starting to pick up.. so much lightning, have never seen so much at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold214 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 notice how attleboro is getting missed just to the southwest this time...whereas the last batch of svr warned storms somehow skipped around them just the the ne. that place is cursed for storm enthusiasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Awesome show, dogs all over me. Sweet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 notice how attleboro is getting missed just to the southwest this time...whereas the last batch of svr warned storms somehow skipped around them just the the ne. that place is cursed for storm enthusiasts. They used to be a great spot in KUs...but I think you living there screwed them from now on. They got jobbed in 1/12 and 12/26 in different directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold214 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 They used to be a great spot in KUs...but I think you living there screwed them from now on. They got jobbed in 1/12 and 12/26 in different directions. Attlehole continues to live up to its name I guess. My folks on Eastern LI are about to get a wake up call from the 'ol 3 am "WTF was that" positive stroke outside their window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnowman Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 If Lightning gave lessons, tonight would be a Rosetta Stone Deal. What an inCredible look into what lightning can look like and how it acts tonight! (Cumberland, RI looking South) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 These EMLs seem to put on amazing light shows. I know there is still research ongoing with lightning, but it seems you get better charge separation and a more favorable environment for lightning in the EML airmasses. The lightning I saw to the west with that earlier storm was veyr much like the 6/1 lightning and storms I've seen in Texas. Ray and I were out watching the Bs and the Sox and I walked back in and said "holy sh** there is an awesome light show to the west". The storm itself didn't do much, it either weakened rapidly or maybe it missed, but the lightning went down as it got nearly overhead and SE of us and there wasn't much rain. High amounts of MUcape seem to do the trick too...some of the BEST lightning displays I've seen have come with high amounts of MUcape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 BEST LIGHTNING SHOW OF MY LIFE!!!!!!! WOW!!!! Went to BDL then we raced south, ended up near New Haven then coming back...just CG EVERYWHERE...I mean EVERYWHERE. Lightning hit on the side of the highway right next to us...HUGE CRACK. I just can't explain how frequent/how much CG there was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 High amounts of MUcape seem to do the trick too...some of the BEST lightning displays I've seen have come with high amounts of MUcape. It's gotta be CAPE and charge separation. That's the one thing these have going for them. I've seen frequent lightning, but last week was just off the charts. You don't light CONS LTG reports at BOS too often. BDL had one tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 It's gotta be CAPE and charge separation. That's the one thing these have going for them. I've seen frequent lightning, but last week was just off the charts. You don't light CONS LTG reports at BOS too often. BDL had one tonight. I probably saw more CG strikes in my trip from BDL to New Haven than I have in my entire life combined...CG's were just shooting everywhere and like 5-10+ at a time and it was just so consistent. Got some great video...probably be a few days I'm guessing before my friend gets it up...quite a few videos to upload and edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 New Day 1 is interesting...have to review things a bit later on...time for sleep...one more long day to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I wonder if we can get two lines to form. One line maybe coming in from NY State and the other a little further north along the CF later today. Either way, should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Good lord on the NAM..lol. That's an impressive setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Impressive light show last night.Off to run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikehobbyst Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Enjoy the heat and thunderstorms today, because mother nature is sticking our heads in the mP toilet (easterlies) also known as mother natures dissentary this weekend and again for parts of later next week. Not looking forward to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Wind seems like its going to be a huge threat later on today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowNH Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Will this mornings showers affect this afternoon/evening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmfm Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 "Providence Schools one hour delay opening today. Power outages and trees down from a storm over night." Looks like widespread damage as the storms went through central RI. Any radar screengrab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted June 9, 2011 Author Share Posted June 9, 2011 I probably saw more CG strikes in my trip from BDL to New Haven than I have in my entire life combined...CG's were just shooting everywhere and like 5-10+ at a time and it was just so consistent.Got some great video...probably be a few days I'm guessing before my friend gets it up...quite a few videos to upload and edit.yeah i thought we could get a nice lightning event a few days ago....recall the epic 8/4/08 video I posted. that was an outrageous e vent too. congrats ! pouring here at work....hopefully we all see a major ougbreak later to finish us off =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 63.5F now. Some thunder and rain attm several records for temps might fall today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 wow at how quick those storms in southern vermont developed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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