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This morning’s sunny commute was surreal as I approached Harriman. The top of Bear Mountain and the hills that frame the thruway were shrouded in low clouds and fog this morning.

Cool! I always think of the White Mountains of New Hampshire when I see that around here as I've seen it often up there.

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BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE FOR WS 687

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

230 PM EDT TUE JUL 26 2011

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH 687 IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1000 PM EDT

FOR THE FOLLOWING LOCATIONS

CTC001-003-007-009-011-013-015-270200-

/O.NEW.KWNS.SV.A.0687.110726T1830Z-110727T0200Z/

CT

. CONNECTICUT COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE

FAIRFIELD HARTFORD MIDDLESEX

NEW HAVEN NEW LONDON TOLLAND

WINDHAM

MAC009-011-013-015-017-025-027-270200-

/O.NEW.KWNS.SV.A.0687.110726T1830Z-110727T0200Z/

MA

. MASSACHUSETTS COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE

ESSEX FRANKLIN HAMPDEN

HAMPSHIRE MIDDLESEX SUFFOLK

WORCESTER

MEC001-005-007-011-017-025-031-270200-

/O.NEW.KWNS.SV.A.0687.110726T1830Z-110727T0200Z/

ME

. MAINE COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE

ANDROSCOGGIN CUMBERLAND FRANKLIN

KENNEBEC OXFORD SOMERSET

YORK

NHC001-003-005-011-013-015-017-270200-

/O.NEW.KWNS.SV.A.0687.110726T1830Z-110727T0200Z/

NH

. NEW HAMPSHIRE COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE

BELKNAP CARROLL CHESHIRE

HILLSBOROUGH MERRIMACK ROCKINGHAM

STRAFFORD

NYC071-079-087-119-270200-

/O.NEW.KWNS.SV.A.0687.110726T1830Z-110727T0200Z/

NY

. NEW YORK COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE

ORANGE PUTNAM ROCKLAND

WESTCHESTER

RIC003-007-270200-

/O.NEW.KWNS.SV.A.0687.110726T1830Z-110727T0200Z/

RI

. RHODE ISLAND COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE

KENT PROVIDENCE

ATTN...WFO...OKX...BOX...GYX...

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All-time record high Lake Erie water temperature off Buffalo tied. The water temperature reached 80 degrees this morning, tying the record set August 14-16, 1988. Records began in 1927.

http://www.erh.noaa....s/laketemps.php

Other water temperatures include 81 at Erie, 75 at Cleveland, 77 at Toledo, and 79 at Belle Isle, MI. Buoy 45005, 35 miles NW of Cleveland, was reading 80 this morning; Buoy 45132 off Port Stanley was reading 79; and Buoy 45142 off Port Colburne was at 78.

The water temperature reached 82 off Cleveland this morning, shattering the old record of 79, set August 16-28, 1988 and July 21, 1988.

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That storm looked and sounded better than it actually was IMBY. A little under 1" of rain since Sunday.

Visually it was the one of the best classic storm structure cells I have seen in Orange. The wall cloud, as I was exiting Rt17 appeared to be to the NW over Sullivan; by the time I got home and took the picture it was almost on top of us to the north. It was hauling butt. Two Hail reports in Delaware Co and six wind damage reports in Sullivan Co from that cell.

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Garden update:

Looks good Zuck, I have some tomatoes and various peppers ready to be picked in a day or two. My tomato plants have some sort or bacteria deal on the lower stems. I’ve been cutting them off when they show signs ofblack around the leaf edges. I hope the fruit continue to out run the creeping crud, the middle and top or the plants are ok. Whatever it is came in on the plants from the nursery on the plants I got in Lowes in Wallkill. The plants I got at Home Depot in Rockland are fine.

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Visually it was the one of the best classic storm structure cells I have seen in Orange. The wall cloud, as I was exiting Rt17 appeared to be to the NW over Sullivan; by the time I got home and took the picture it was almost on top of us to the north. It was hauling butt. Two Hail reports in Delaware Co and six wind damage reports in Sullivan Co from that cell.

I agree on the structure, I saw the wall cloud racing over my house and I thought we were going to get nailed for sure but it just missed me.

Looks good Zuck, I have some tomatoes and various peppers ready to be picked in a day or two. My tomato plants have some sort or bacteria deal on the lower stems. I’ve been cutting them off when they show signs ofblack around the leaf edges. I hope the fruit continue to out run the creeping crud, the middle and top or the plants are ok. Whatever it is came in on the plants from the nursery on the plants I got in Lowes in Wallkill. The plants I got at Home Depot in Rockland are fine.

I have the same issue with my tomatoes too and I got them at lowes in Wallkill as well. The tomatoes that I've harvested have been sweet though so I have that going for me :scooter:

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I agree on the structure, I saw the wall cloud racing over my house and I thought we were going to get nailed for sure but it just missed me.

I have the same issue with my tomatoes too and I got them at lowes in Wallkill as well. The tomatoes that I've harvested have been sweet though so I have that going for me :scooter:

Live and learn. It appeared within a week or two of transplant. If it happens again, I'm removing them and replanting with stock from another location.

Maybe I'll start them next year from seed.

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Live and learn. It appeared within a week or two of transplant. If it happens again, I'm removing them and replanting with stock from another location.

Maybe I'll start them next year from seed.

We may not have the same issue then because mine starting having issues in the past week or two, I'm thinking the heat had something to do with it....and me forgetting to give them enough water for a few days :yikes:

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DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

1221 PM CDT THU JUL 28 2011

VALID 291200Z - 301200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS OVER PARTS OF THE NORTHEAST...

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS OVER THE NRN HIGH PLAINS...

...SYNOPSIS...

STRONGER WLY FLOW WILL CONTINUE ACROSS THE NRN TIER OF STATES TO THE

NORTH OF EXTENSIVE SUB-TROPICAL RIDGE AXIS DOMINATING THE SRN AND

CNTRL STATES...ESSENTIALLY FROM COAST TO COAST. A COUPLE OF LOW

AMPLITUDE SHORT WAVE TROUGHS WILL SPREAD EAST WITHIN THE BELT OF

FAST FLOW ALONG THE U.S./CANADIAN BORDER. A LEADING SHORT WAVE

WAVE...CURRENTLY SPREADING EAST ACROSS THE NRN PLAINS...WILL

CONTINUE EAST FROM THE GREAT LAKES ON FRIDAY WITH ASSOCIATED MODEST

HEIGHT FALLS CONTRIBUTING TO WEAK SURFACE LOW AND FROPA FROM WRN NY

TO SRN NEW ENGLAND THROUGH THE DAY. SYNOPTIC FRONT...LIKELY

SEGMENTED AND INTERSPERSED WITH A NUMBER OF CONVECTIVE

OUTFLOWS...WILL TRAIL FROM THE GREAT LAKES/NORTHEAST DISTURBANCE WSW

ACROSS THE MIDWEST TO THE CNTRL PLAINS TO THE FRONT RANGE.

A TRAILING LOW AMPLITUDE SHORT WAVE TROUGH IN THE WLYS IS FORECAST

TO BRUSH PORTIONS OF THE NRN HIGH PLAINS WITH WEAK HEIGHT FALLS BY

LATE IN THE PERIOD ON FRIDAY. WEAK LEE CYCLOGENESIS IS FORECAST OVER

ERN MT/WY BY THIS TIME WITH THE LOW AND FRONT TRACKING OVER THE

DAKOTAS THROUGH EARLY SATURDAY.

LASTLY...TROPICAL STORM DON IS FORECAST TO TRACK ACROSS THE

SOUTHEAST TX COAST DURING FRIDAY NIGHT PER LATEST NHC GUIDANCE.

ABUNDANT TROPICAL MOISTURE AND DIURNAL HEATING WILL PROMOTE TSTM

DEVELOPMENT ACROSS MUCH OF THE NWRN GULF COAST NWD ACROSS THE LOWER

MS VALLEY WELL REMOVED FROM THE SMALLER TROPICAL CIRCULATION

ASSOCIATED WITH DON. AN INCREASE IN LOW LEVEL SHEAR COULD BRING A

THREAT FOR A TORNADO OR TWO ALONG THE TX COAST FRIDAY NIGHT AS

CONVECTIVE BANDS ASSOCIATED WITH TROPICAL STORM DON MOVE INLAND.

...NORTHEAST...

BOTH SHEAR AND FORCING FOR ASCENT ARE FORECAST TO STRENGTHEN AND

SUPPORT INCREASINGLY ORGANIZED TSTMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPPER

TROUGH AND WEAK SURFACE LOW DEVELOPING ACROSS NY DURING THE DAY.

SUFFICIENT DESTABILIZATION IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR FROM NERN PA AND NRN

NJ ACROSS THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY...AND POSSIBLY INTO SWRN NEW

ENGLAND...FOR A FEW SEVERE STORMS. IN ADDITION TO HAIL AND SOME

DAMAGING WIND POTENTIAL...GREATER LOW LEVEL SHEAR NEAR THE SURFACE

LOW WOULD ENHANCE THE POSSIBILITY OF A TORNADO OR TWO IF STRONGER

DESTABILIZATION CAN OCCUR COINCIDENT WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE LOW.

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Live and learn. It appeared within a week or two of transplant. If it happens again, I'm removing them and replanting with stock from another location.

Maybe I'll start them next year from seed.

The yellow-and-black circles that form on leaves and start killing them? Sadly, I don't know of any cultivars that are resistant to it (it's fungal), but I would recommend starting the mater plants by seed. I've done a mix of seed and stock for the past couple years, and my experience has been that the pre-started nursery plants tend to fall ill with early blight much easier easier than the plants I started myself. From what I've heard this year, it's been a rough mater season in the Hudson Valley... my 4th of July's are just now starting to ripen up.

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The yellow-and-black circles that form on leaves and start killing them? Sadly, I don't know of any cultivars that are resistant to it (it's fungal), but I would recommend starting the mater plants by seed. I've done a mix of seed and stock for the past couple years, and my experience has been that the pre-started nursery plants tend to fall ill with early blight much easier easier than the plants I started myself. From what I've heard this year, it's been a rough mater season in the Hudson Valley... my 4th of July's are just now starting to ripen up.

Hey Julian the second picture in this link is what I have http://www.growgarde...temphylium.html . Maybe I'll start from seed next season. My tomatoes are just starting to come in, late just like yours. Surprisingly the heirloom plants look 100% better than the hybrids that are supposed to be resistant to a wider variety of pathogens. The peppers are just great, just like just year and the wild raspberry that grew in this year in a wooded area in the yard is completely fantastic, much better the raspberries purchased in the store.

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Hey Julian the second picture in this link is what I have http://www.growgarde...temphylium.html . Maybe I'll start from seed next season. My tomatoes are just starting to come in, late just like yours. Surprisingly the heirloom plants look 100% better than the hybrids that are supposed to be resistant to a wider variety of pathogens. The peppers are just great, just like just year and the wild raspberry that grew in this year in a wooded area in the yard is completely fantastic, much better the raspberries purchased in the store.

It's kind of a tough decision between planting the fancy F1 hybrids and planting stable heirlooms. That's why it's good to plant some of both and see which ones perform the best. The nice thing about tomatoes is that the plants can look like they've been run over by a few 18-wheelers and still produce beautiful fruit for you... no such luck for squashes and pumpkins. :thumbsdown:

On another note, we're still in the SPC slight risk:

TSTMS NOW ONGOING FROM NRN IL ENE TO NRN OH SHOULD STRENGTHEN/EXPAND ENEWD ALONG AND AHEAD OF COLD FRONT. AREA WILL LIE BENEATH SRN FRINGE OF THE WLYS...WITH DEEP W TO WNWLY SHEAR RANGING FROM 30 KTS OVER THE OH VLY TO 35-40 KT OVER PA/NY AND NEW ENGLAND. THIS SETUP COULD SUPPORT ORGANIZATION OF STORMS INTO BROKEN BANDS/CLUSTERS...WITH SCTD SMALL BOWING SEGMENTS POSING A THREAT FOR LOCALLY DMGG WIND THROUGH EARLY-MID EVE. AND...WHILE WEAK LOW TO MID LVL LAPSE RATES WILL LIMIT OVERALL SVR COVERAGE/INTENSITY...A LOW CONDITIONAL THREAT WILL EXIST FOR A BRIEF TORNADO OR TWO NEAR WARM FRONT IN NJ/SE NY/SW NEW ENGLAND THIS AFTN

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Pretty overcast over the region... don't know if we can clear out quickly or not.

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SPC has us now in a 5% area for tor risk. 30% area of wind damage just to our west.

DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

1128 AM CDT FRI JUL 29 2011

VALID 291630Z - 301200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM PORTIONS OF THE MID/LOWER

HUDSON VALLEY WWD INTO THE OH VALLEY...

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS OVER THE WRN DAKOTAS INTO NEB

PNHDL...

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS THE MIDDLE TX COAST...

...OH VALLEY TO MID ATLANTIC COAST...

EWD PROGRESSION OF WELL-DEFINED VORTICITY MAXIMUM OVER LAKE ONTARIO

AND LARGER-SCALE SHORT WAVE TROUGH OVER ONTARIO WILL CONTRIBUTE TO A

CORRIDOR OF HEIGHT FALLS FROM THE LOWER GREAT LAKES INTO NEW ENGLAND

DURING THE D1 PERIOD. IN THE LOW LEVELS...SURFACE LOW NEAR TORONTO

WILL DEVELOP ENEWD...REACHING THE ADIRONDACKS BY EVENING WHILE

TRAILING COLD FRONT ADVANCES SEWD THROUGH THE LOWER GREAT LAKES.

LATE MORNING VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGERY AND RADAR DATA INDICATE

GRADUALLY DEEPENING CONVECTION OVER PORTIONS OF WRN NY ALONG THE SRN

FRINGE OF ABOVE-MENTIONED VORTICITY MAXIMUM WHERE TEMPERATURES HAVE

WARMED TO AROUND 80 F. EXPECT A FURTHER INCREASE IN STORM COVERAGE

AND INTENSITY TODAY ALONG THE SRN FRINGE OF DENSER...MORE PERSISTENT

CLOUDS /I.E. SRN NY INTO PA/ WHERE LOCALLY STRONG DIABATIC WARMING

AND BOUNDARY LAYER DEWPOINTS IN THE 70S WILL BOOST MLCAPE TO

1500-2500 J/KG. MOREOVER...THIS CORRIDOR WILL RESIDE ALONG SRN

FRINGE OF 40-50 KT WLY MIDLEVEL WIND MAXIMUM ATTENDANT TO THE LAKE

ONTARIO VORTICITY MAXIMUM...RESULTING IN SUFFICIENT DEEP-LAYER SHEAR

FOR ORGANIZED STORM MODES...INCLUDING SUPERCELLS AND BOWING

STRUCTURES. WHILE DAMAGING WINDS WILL BE THE PRIMARY HAZARD...A

TORNADO OR TWO WILL BE POSSIBLE OVER THE DE AND LOWER HUDSON VALLEYS

THIS AFTERNOON WHERE LOW-LEVEL SHEAR IS ENHANCED ALONG RETREATING

WARM FRONT.

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Yeppers, could be an interesting afternoon. Still not much of any sunshine though, every time it looks to break for a bit the clouds win out again.

yeah, there is a lack of sun today but SPC might still issue a watch in a few hours if the air mass still manages to destabilize and if it happens I am positive that I will be on the road when it hits :arrowhead:

MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1781

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

1157 AM CDT FRI JUL 29 2011

AREAS AFFECTED...PORTIONS PA...NJ...NY.

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE

VALID 291657Z - 291900Z

SVR POTENTIAL FCST TO INCREASE THROUGH NEXT 2-3 HOURS ACROSS THIS

REGION AS AIR MASS DESTABILIZES...BOTH IN BOUNDARY LAYER AND ALOFT.

DAMAGING GUSTS ARE MAIN CONCERN...WITH CONDITIONAL TORNADO

POTENTIAL.

MCV IS EVIDENT IN COMPOSITE REFLECTIVITY LOOPS OVER ERN LAKE ONT AND

ADJOINING SERN ONT...AND SHOULD MOVE EWD TO EXTREME NRN NY THROUGH

LATE AFTERNOON. STRENGTHENING MID-UPPER LEVEL WINDS ARE EVIDENT IN

AVAILABLE VWP SAMPLING...CONSISTENT WITH TIGHTENING HEIGHT GRADIENTS

BOTH S OF MCV AND IN ADVANCE OF APCHG SHORTWAVE TROUGH. THIS IS

INCREASING DEEP-LAYER SHEAR ACROSS CENTRAL/NRN PA AND ADJOINING

PORTIONS NY. EFFECTIVE SHEAR MAGNITUDES 40-50 KT SHOULD BE COMMON

ACROSS THIS AREA BY 19Z...AS TSTMS DEVELOP AND INCREASE IN COVERAGE.

BUOYANCY SHOULD CONTINUE TO INCREASE...ESPECIALLY IN AREAS OF CLOUD

BREAKS ACROSS PORTIONS SRN NY AND NRN PA EVIDENT IN VIS IMAGERY.

INSOLATION AND SFC DEW POINTS 70S F WILL OFFSET WEAK LAPSE RATES

ALOFT ENOUGH TO SUPPORT WARM-SECTOR MLCAPE RANGING FROM AROUND 1500

J/KG OVER PORTIONS CENTRAL/SRN NY TO 2500 J/KG OVER SOME OF

CENTRAL-ERN PA.

SFC MESOANALYSIS SHOWS WARM FRONT FROM S-CENTRAL NJ NWWD ACROSS ERN

PA...BECOMING ILL-DEFINED AMIDST COOLING EFFECTS OF EARLIER

CLOUDS/PRECIP OVER CENTRAL NY JUST N PA BORDER. COMBINED WARM FRONT

AND DIFFERENTIAL-HEATING BOUNDARY SHOULD MOVE NEWD ACROSS SRN NY AND

NERN PA THROUGH AFTERNOON...SPREADING FAVORABLY DESTABILIZING AIR

MASS NEWD. LOW-LEVEL SHEAR WILL BE MAXIMIZED INVOF THAT BOUNDARY

WHERE BACKING OF SFC WINDS AND ENHANCED BOUNDARY-LAYER VORTICITY

WILL BE PRESENT...SUPPORTING SUPERCELL POTENTIAL WITH ANY RELATIVELY

SUSTAINED/DISCRETE TSTMS. OTHERWISE...DEEP-LAYER KINEMATIC PROFILE

FAVORS DAMAGING GUSTS...WHETHER IN ISOLATED FORM FROM DISCRETE CELLS

OR BETTER-ORGANIZED WIND POTENTIAL FROM BOW ECHOES.

..EDWARDS.. 07/29/2011

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Yeppers, could be an interesting afternoon. Still not much of any sunshine though, every time it looks to break for a bit the clouds win out again.

Vis loop is showing it fighting back and forth with the cloud cover. Thinning somewhat. Meso. disc. out now. We'll see in a few hours!!

MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1781

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

1157 AM CDT FRI JUL 29 2011

AREAS AFFECTED...PORTIONS PA...NJ...NY.

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE

VALID 291657Z - 291900Z

SVR POTENTIAL FCST TO INCREASE THROUGH NEXT 2-3 HOURS ACROSS THIS

REGION AS AIR MASS DESTABILIZES...BOTH IN BOUNDARY LAYER AND ALOFT.

DAMAGING GUSTS ARE MAIN CONCERN...WITH CONDITIONAL TORNADO

POTENTIAL.

MCV IS EVIDENT IN COMPOSITE REFLECTIVITY LOOPS OVER ERN LAKE ONT AND

ADJOINING SERN ONT...AND SHOULD MOVE EWD TO EXTREME NRN NY THROUGH

LATE AFTERNOON. STRENGTHENING MID-UPPER LEVEL WINDS ARE EVIDENT IN

AVAILABLE VWP SAMPLING...CONSISTENT WITH TIGHTENING HEIGHT GRADIENTS

BOTH S OF MCV AND IN ADVANCE OF APCHG SHORTWAVE TROUGH. THIS IS

INCREASING DEEP-LAYER SHEAR ACROSS CENTRAL/NRN PA AND ADJOINING

PORTIONS NY. EFFECTIVE SHEAR MAGNITUDES 40-50 KT SHOULD BE COMMON

ACROSS THIS AREA BY 19Z...AS TSTMS DEVELOP AND INCREASE IN COVERAGE.

BUOYANCY SHOULD CONTINUE TO INCREASE...ESPECIALLY IN AREAS OF CLOUD

BREAKS ACROSS PORTIONS SRN NY AND NRN PA EVIDENT IN VIS IMAGERY.

INSOLATION AND SFC DEW POINTS 70S F WILL OFFSET WEAK LAPSE RATES

ALOFT ENOUGH TO SUPPORT WARM-SECTOR MLCAPE RANGING FROM AROUND 1500

J/KG OVER PORTIONS CENTRAL/SRN NY TO 2500 J/KG OVER SOME OF

CENTRAL-ERN PA.

SFC MESOANALYSIS SHOWS WARM FRONT FROM S-CENTRAL NJ NWWD ACROSS ERN

PA...BECOMING ILL-DEFINED AMIDST COOLING EFFECTS OF EARLIER

CLOUDS/PRECIP OVER CENTRAL NY JUST N PA BORDER. COMBINED WARM FRONT

AND DIFFERENTIAL-HEATING BOUNDARY SHOULD MOVE NEWD ACROSS SRN NY AND

NERN PA THROUGH AFTERNOON...SPREADING FAVORABLY DESTABILIZING AIR

MASS NEWD. LOW-LEVEL SHEAR WILL BE MAXIMIZED INVOF THAT BOUNDARY

WHERE BACKING OF SFC WINDS AND ENHANCED BOUNDARY-LAYER VORTICITY

WILL BE PRESENT...SUPPORTING SUPERCELL POTENTIAL WITH ANY RELATIVELY

SUSTAINED/DISCRETE TSTMS. OTHERWISE...DEEP-LAYER KINEMATIC PROFILE

FAVORS DAMAGING GUSTS...WHETHER IN ISOLATED FORM FROM DISCRETE CELLS

OR BETTER-ORGANIZED WIND POTENTIAL FROM BOW ECHOES.

..EDWARDS.. 07/29/2011

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