Hazey Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 How was the 2004 blizzard up that way?? Haha. You don't recognize one of your areas greatest storms?? I'm shocked. Next guess.....Anyone?? That was Jan 2005. The best damn track ever. Most folks got in on that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 2" of snow to rain?? no way, i have done pretty well with those over the years, especially in december, 6 " of thump followed by drizzle. at least you know whats coming a few days out. Have you purchased your uggs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 I don't. I'm not sure there is a substantial difference in snowfall between the two here...but it might be something to research. The east based block just puts the cold in a different spot vs the west based block...but both can be quite favorable for snow. There's way too much emphasis being put on last year WRT west based blocking climo. Feb 1978, Feb 1969, Dec 1961, Mar 2001 are all notable storms just off the top of my head that had big west based blocks that hit SNE hard. West based blocks if they are extreme can produce some weird patterns, and occasionally like at the end of last winter, they can produce a really crap pattern...but there's more at play than just the block. Last year the PAC blocking above the EPO region over toward Asia got strong too in conjunction with the west based block and cut off the cold from the pole...so that was a contributor as well to the rotting airmass. I think that was the X-factor. We just kept recycling the same crap over and over. Sure those further south had it too, but those areas were just cold enough and further away from the crazy blocking to stay all snow. The Feb 10th storm probably would have been ok, if we could get the 700 low closer and have dynamics come into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Haha. You don't recognize one of your areas greatest storms?? I'm shocked. Next guess.....Anyone?? That was Jan 2005. The best damn track ever. Most folks got in on that one LOL, I recognize that....I was just asking about Feb '04. Man was that a monster. I was envious of you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 I think that was the X-factor. We just kept recycling the same crap over and over. Sure those further south had it too, but those areas were just cold enough and further away from the crazy blocking to stay all snow. The Feb 10th storm probably would have been ok, if we could get the 700 low closer and have dynamics come into play. Feb 10th storm was a bust because of lack of qpf, not because of temps...though it was kind of a wet snow...especially since it wasn't coming down very hard. The later Feb storms would have been a lot snowier had there been an actual cold airmass in place...it may have still eventually changed to rain..esp in eastern NE, but there would have been plenty of snow to start and the interior may have never changed....and don't even get me started on the Mar 14-15 event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Feb 10th storm was a bust because of lack of qpf, not because of temps...though it was kind of a wet snow...especially since it wasn't coming down very hard. The later Feb storms would have been a lot snowier had there been an actual cold airmass in place...it may have still eventually changed to rain..esp in eastern NE, but there would have been plenty of snow to start and the interior may have never changed....and don't even get me started on the Mar 14-15 event. It was a bust on temps I agree...but we kind of had crappy forcing. All the good stuff was further south, but I think if we had the forcing that areas west of PHI did...whole different ball game. Blame that on the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 LOL, I recognize that....I was just asking about Feb '04. Man was that a monster. I was envious of you guys. Sorry my bad. Feb 04 was a beast without a doubt. I think we went 24hrs of official Blizzard criteria. I believe it was a true triple phaser. I could be wrong. It was your April fools storm to us here. Probably a once in a 50 year storm. Believe it or not, we don't usually get whoppers like that here. 10-14 inch storms are common but 20+ are actually quite rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 I don't. I'm not sure there is a substantial difference in snowfall between the two here...but it might be something to research. The east based block just puts the cold in a different spot vs the west based block...but both can be quite favorable for snow. There's way too much emphasis being put on last year WRT west based blocking climo. Feb 1978, Feb 1969, Dec 1961, Mar 2001 are all notable storms just off the top of my head that had big west based blocks that hit SNE hard. West based blocks if they are extreme can produce some weird patterns, and occasionally like at the end of last winter, they can produce a really crap pattern...but there's more at play than just the block. Last year the PAC blocking above the EPO region over toward Asia got strong too in conjunction with the west based block and cut off the cold from the pole...so that was a contributor as well to the rotting airmass. When comparing just West/east based -NAO Decembers...it appears as if east-based -NAO is much better than west-based. Do you know what the 4 major stations received for December in 2002 and 2005? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Is this thread still for the 12/5 threat like the title implies? We are under a winter weather advisory for 4-8" of snow from the retrograding storm on Sunday 12/5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 The 00z NAM gets the Dec 6th retrograding low down below 960mb right near Nova Scotia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckyplayer8 Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 The 00z NAM gets the Dec 6th retrograding low down below 960mb right near Nova Scotia. Looking like a 43mb drop in 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 It's coming for me tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted December 4, 2010 Author Share Posted December 4, 2010 The 00z NAM gets the Dec 6th retrograding low down below 960mb right near Nova Scotia. Gotta love the NAM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 It's coming for me tonight! 0.4" here tonight, still coming down but petering out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Warm core STS pounds NS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Well if I cant get snow out of it I might as well enjoy the wind and rain.....weeeeeee. Although the NAM has a way to make things look extreme. Doubt it gets near that strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Well if I cant get snow out of it I might as well enjoy the wind and rain.....weeeeeee. Although the NAM has a way to make things look extreme. Doubt it gets near that strong. Landfall yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Eastern ME gets hammered with over a foot of snow if the NAM was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Landfall yikes Chase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Chase? Passport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Passport? check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Landfall yikes Forgive my ignorance but I don't know how to read soundings yet. Can anyone tell me what That represents? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 For my 65th, if I make it, I'm going to give myself 10 days in the Tug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 For my 65th, if I make it, I'm going to give myself 10 days in the Tug. wow. that is intense. 240 hours of sugar, enjoy fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Forgive my ignorance but I don't know how to read soundings yet. Can anyone tell me what That represents? Thanks The wind barbs show the winds at the levels on the right 950 is. 75 kts, surface 50 and that's sustained, heavy rain shown by dew and temp the same, go to a soundings tutorial site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Otown_WX Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Forgive my ignorance but I don't know how to read soundings yet. Can anyone tell me what That represents? Thanks I don't know how to read soundings too well either but that depicts 50 kt winds down to the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 The wind barbs show the winds at the levels on the right 950 is 780knots, surface 50 and that's sustained, heavy rain shown by selling and temp the same, go to a soundings tutorial site. Thanks, that's all i needed to know and I will take the sounding class. Been meaning to do that. Guess I won't be hanging laundry that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Some pretty steep LL lapse rates, should mean some great mixing which should only add to the winds at the sfc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Some pretty steep LL lapse rates, should mean some great mixing which should only add to the winds at the sfc. Looking almost a little MAUL-ish in the mid levels too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Otown_WX Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 GFS says game on next weekend although it's a bit warm at the CP. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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