A-L-E-X Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 ISO-- what was the reason for that blob of cooler temps over NW NJ and NE PA? More rainfall up that way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 ISO-- what was the reason for that blob of cooler temps over NW NJ and NE PA? More rainfall up that way? It's weird because if you go farther northwest of there, you go back to much above normal near the PA/NY border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Out of all the reporting stations LGA and NYC are the least representative (for different reasons) and EWR is the most representative. We already showed how LGA and NYC high temps were 2 degrees too low for highs lol. And no one should ever put NYC and "accurate summer temps" in the same sentence. Ever! JFK is only representative when there isnt a sea breeze. Hell even then JFK wasn't representative for me last night-- Im about 3 miles from there and my temp was about 10 degrees lower than them for most of the night! My low last night was 60. And on some sea breeze days, we are 3-5 degrees higher than JFK because the ASOS there is so close to the water, and being almost 3 miles from the water, they sometimes get it when I dont. Not this again. Hold up I don't remember this why was LGA too cold this month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzardof09 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I'm surprised no one is talking about the potential for strong/severe thunderstorms tommorow afternoon/evening for the tri-state area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I'm surprised no one is talking about the potential for strong/severe thunderstorms tommorow afternoon/evening for the tri-state area It looks like a pulse severe threat, with the lack of shear tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Eh looks like mostly morning showers I'm surprised no one is talking about the potential for strong/severe thunderstorms tommorow afternoon/evening for the tri-state area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmc10 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I'm surprised no one is talking about the potential for strong/severe thunderstorms tommorow afternoon/evening for the tri-state area If we get moderate destabilization shear will be weak as the frontal trough is located well north of the area. Pulse type event for our area, maybe a more prominent threat for New England where more shear and better dynamics are present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderdude Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 To tell the truth I rather have nothing at all then have a general boring rain shower. Tomorrow don't seem too excited because of the lack of shear and pulse storms seemed to be the game tomorrow. Hopefully the morning rain showers will not make it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Its unbelievable outside. Warm not hot and zero humidity. Complete diff then last year....so nice out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hold up I don't remember this why was LGA too cold this month? No, the discussion was about LGA high min problem and NYC foliage issue-- we were basically discussing why both were not really representative of their immediate regions as a whole because of those issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hold up I don't remember this why was LGA too cold this month? And on nights of significant radiational cooling, JFK doesn't represent me well either-- I was 5-10 degrees colder than JFK for most of the night a couple of nights ago. My temps matched Farmingdale's better. 85/63 split today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 No, the discussion was about LGA high min problem and NYC foliage issue-- we were basically discussing why both were not really representative of their immediate regions as a whole because of those issues. Can we please get off this. LGA represents hundreds of thousands of people that are right next to it. It's not for your area. Anyway, Nice weather today!!! Low humidity and warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Can we please get off this. LGA represents hundreds of thousands of people that are right next to it. It's not for your area. Anyway, Nice weather today!!! Low humidity and warm. Right, you were the one continuing it or did you forget your previous post already And enjoy LGA when you have your first freeze in the fall and they dont get theirs until a month later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 No, the discussion was about LGA high min problem and NYC foliage issue-- we were basically discussing why both were not really representative of their immediate regions as a whole because of those issues. Oh ok the high minimums at LGA makes sense. I can be up to ten degrees colder than the airport and I'm still in Queens only 4 miles east of them. LGA is actually not bad for the MUCH more urban areas of western Queens though, as they don't drop at night for sh-t during those warm summer nights either. Maybe that's who ag3 is referring to when referencing those thousands of people that can reliably use LGA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 The high minimums are a problem with LGA for sure. But their high temps of daytime represent the hundreds of thousands around it fine. My home thermometer in Astoria has been within 1-3 degrees of LGA highs every single day this spring and summer. Sundogs high temps in a more suburban area have also been within 1-3 degrees of LGA's highs. Night time lows are way off for Sundogs area but very accurate at my home in Astoria, since Astoria is a cement factory with few trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Oh ok the high minimums at LGA makes sense. I can be up to ten degrees colder than the airport and I'm still in Queens only 4 miles east of them. LGA is actually not bad for the MUCH more urban areas of western Queens though, as they don't drop at night for sh-t during those warm summer nights either. Maybe that's who ag3 is referring to when referencing those thousands of people that can reliably use LGA? Well, the thing was a whole complicated discussion about which stations reliably represent their respective areas. My basic point was that because of the NYC foliage issue and the LGA high min issue, EWR represents the region as a whole best, and on days when the wind is offshore, JFK matches them. Back in the 90s, I would have told you the opposite, because EWR had a horrendous problem with high temps and back then NYC and LGA were much more representative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 The high minimums are a problem with LGA for sure. But their high temps of daytime represent the hundreds of thousands around it fine. My home thermometer in Astoria has been within 1-3 degrees of LGA highs every single day this spring and summer. Sundogs high temps in a more suburban area have also been within 1-3 degrees of LGA's highs. Night time lows are way off for Sundogs area but very accurate at my home in Astoria, since Astoria is a cement factory with few trees. Yeah 2 degrees sounds about right, but the discussion wasnt just about high temps, it was an overall discussion about the whole range. Also, when you say they're within 1-3 degres of LGA are they consistently on the negative or positive side of LGA or does it even out? The other day all the PWS nearby were within 2-3 degrees of NYC and LGA sure, but they were all 2-3 degrees higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Yeah 2 degrees sounds about right, but the discussion wasnt just about high temps, it was an overall discussion about the whole range. Also, when you say they're within 1-3 degres of LGA are they consistently on the negative or positive side of LGA or does it even out? The other day all the PWS nearby were within 2-3 degrees of NYC and LGA sure, but they were all 2-3 degrees higher. On a north wind in summer, I'm usually 1-3 degrees warmer in Astoria. All other winds, 1-2 degree difference, in either direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-X Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 On a north wind in summer, I'm usually 1-3 degrees warmer in Astoria. All other winds, 1-2 degree difference, in either direction. That's interesting! Are you farther from the water than them or about the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 That's interesting! Are you farther from the water than them or about the same? A little off the water but it's the east river at a narrow point. LGA is on east river also, but at the point where it widens and about to enter the LI sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 This heat spell has been underperforming by quite a bit so far, in fact this evening felt somewhat cool with the breeze and temps in the mid 70s. My forecast high was in the upper 80s but only reached 83 today. Tomorrow looked like another 87-90 day but now 83-84 appears more likely. Heat has been underperforming inthe mid west as well, pretty much staying south of the OH river/Mason Dixon line with this one. Nothing compared to the early June shot. With that being said, the upcoming week will be very warm/hot, but not anomalous departures for early July. We're not far from the heart of the summer, so 85-90 is basically routine, garden variety warmth. I'm not seeing any big torches (and by that I mean at least 2-3 days with 90-95+ wx) in the near future. The normally hotter spots will probably exceed 90 a number of times in the next week, but in terms of daytime departures more than +7 or +8, it's not happening. Pattern is a slightly above temp regime with the occasional burst of 90s; the sustained heat will be confined in the drought ridden areas of the South. However with averages now up into the middle 80s, it will be easier to hit the low 90s in a moderately above normal pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmagan Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Looking at forecast soundings for today, a slight risk is in my opinion, warranted for interior areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Story of the summer big heat fails. This is not last summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadojay Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Loud thunder with this mornings storms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Blue skies, nothin but blue skies Resized to 91% (was 768 x 496) - Click image to enlarge hopefully get most of the rain/storms outta here by the afternoon and get some breaks of sun as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Thunder and heavy rain, between 8-9:15am this morning here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 remember gfs showing 105 for the 4th 10 days ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonClaw Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 remember gfs showing 105 for the 4th 10 days ago? Proof that the GFS at Day 10 is still laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Loudest storms I've heard yet this season at 845. Sounded like several bombs going off, shaking the house, nice way to ring in the 4th. Intense convection in NW NJ right now -- should be interesting where that heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted July 3, 2011 Share Posted July 3, 2011 Storms are once again having trouble moving east, amazing that jersey alwyas seems to get the weather. Maybe it has something to do with full service gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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