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June/July NYC Metro Wx Discussion


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what are your thoughts on precip friday morning?

The 12z GFS, 18z GFS, and 18z NAM all have some light showers Friday morning. However, the GFS trended much weaker with the H5 shortwave at 18z, not bringing the 570dm contour nearly as far south. We'll have to see if this is a trend or not as the guidance comes out for tonight. If the models continue to weaken the shortwave, then there may not be much doing.

we mix all the way to 750 mb

It's still a cool airmass, and Westchester gets good drainage of cooler air down the Hudson Valley when winds are due north. Without a downsloping component to the wind and the 10C 850mb contour only passing through at 18z, I just can't see mid 80s here. Sure we'll mix in plenty of drier air from the upper levels, which will keep dewpoints down and allow for good daytime heating, but I am still thinking 84F is a big number for my area. I could see 84F at EWR but probably not in Dobbs Ferry where the hills are forever engaged in spring.

Your sounding only shows LGA a bit above 25C/77F, and they're almost always warmer than Dobbs Ferry by 5F or so.

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I'm not sold on tomorrow being as warm as expected...NWS has 84F here but that seems high given 850s just 10C and weak N, not NW, flow.

did you get that from point and click? i don't think they can account for every hill and valley. your text forecast says low 80s... if you hit 81, that's not a bust.

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did you get that from point and click? i don't think they can account for every hill and valley. your text forecast says low 80s... if you hit 81, that's not a bust.

I was just looking at point and click, which shows 84F for Dobbs Ferry. Seems warm, but given the text I guess they are really expecting a bit cooler, which makes sense.

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I was just looking at point and click, which shows 84F for Dobbs Ferry. Seems warm, but given the text I guess they are really expecting a bit cooler, which makes sense.

Isn't Dobbs Ferry right on the Hudson, which is near/at sea level? And aren't you over 400 feet or something?

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I'm much more enthusiastic about big time heat next week

I don't know man, I want to see some better indications of what's going down. The models have been a total mess. I wasn't enthused with the 12z runs and last nights runs which had the mean trough too far east over the Central US.

The trends are good, that's for sure. It looks like we may be seeing the beginning of the guidance shift towards the big heat---where they finally begin to grasp the true airmass in place over the plains and it's attendant release with the big west coast trough.

we need that trough to dig on the west coast though. there's a ridge release/fluctuation very well modeled in under 7 days. But the placement of the trough is important. If it's east at that time, the ridge will be shunted a bit and the heat will be progressive. If it's west like it has been all year, the ridge will go bonkers and the shortwave trough will then eventually eject east but be forced northeast over the ridge into southeast Canada; as opposed to east into the central us.

make at least semi sense? wasn't sure how to explain that non-graphically.

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I don't know man, I want to see some better indications of what's going down. The models have been a total mess. I wasn't enthused with the 12z runs and last nights runs which had the mean trough too far east over the Central US.

The trends are good, that's for sure. It looks like we may be seeing the beginning of the guidance shift towards the big heat---where they finally begin to grasp the true airmass in place over the plains and it's attendant release with the big west coast trough.

we need that trough to dig on the west coast though. there's a ridge release/fluctuation very well modeled in under 7 days. But the placement of the trough is important. If it's east at that time, the ridge will be shunted a bit and the heat will be progressive. If it's west like it has been all year, the ridge will go bonkers and the shortwave trough will then eventually eject east but be forced northeast over the ridge into southeast Canada; as opposed to east into the central us.

make at least semi sense? wasn't sure how to explain that non-graphically.

0z GFS has the Plains storm/cutter too far east so the cold front gets through pretty fast and we never realize the heat in the long-range. Also, the pattern looks extremely wet with a tropical connection which may or may not be bogus. It's probably BS but any moisture could be an impediment to heat. I see what you mean about the S Plains ridge attempting to bleed into the Northeast since they're having such anomalous heat there, and the 0z GFS does have hints of this next week. However, it's not certain and may be thwarted by a quick cold front or a tropical hybrid system. Ideally, we want the western trough positioning to be a bit different so that the Plains low cuts further west towards Montana, allowing the cold front to wash out more and clear skies since we'd be further from the low pressure.

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Great day today in the tri-state area! Sun/clouds, 70s to low 80s. Slight chance of a t-storm east of NYC this evening. Increasing clouds tomorrow but some sun early. Still warm temps. 40% chance of shower/t-storm on Friday, cooler, 70s. Weekend looks good for now. Sun/clouds, mid 80s away from the coast, cooler there.

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I'm still convinced there's going to be a good amount of convection today over Southern New England stretching back towards Western New England and possibly even down towards Long Island. It should be interesting, given the positioning of the upper level low and advancing small area of vorticity, as the convection actually may build from north to south or even southwest.

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Earthlight's favorite model the DGEX on its 6z run says that we don't get to 90 degrees once during its entire run and we only get into the 80's a few times.

Luckily it's been highly inconsistent as has most modeling in this time frame..the GFS flipped warmer at 6z...some other models got cooler. There a very nice heat ridge signal on the GFS in the long range too.

Either way it's not my favorite model--I just think it's laughed at by most people when it shouldn't be. It's a really useful tool if you know how to interpret what it's trying to say.

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I'm still convinced there's going to be a good amount of convection today over Southern New England stretching back towards Western New England and possibly even down towards Long Island. It should be interesting, given the positioning of the upper level low and advancing small area of vorticity, as the convection actually may build from north to south or even southwest.

Good call John. Four loud claps of thunder here in the last minute. Nothing showing on radar yet. It must be blowing up very quickly. Maybe a bit of a seabreeze front helping out?

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