Stebo Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The Indiana offices must be the worst when it comes to severe weather. Why put out a tornado warning for an entire line of thunderstorms? IWX pulled this same crap June 5 or 6 of last year, right after the F4 went by south of Toledo. It looked like a wall of tornadoes was coming again, but it really was nothing but a squall line. When the storms hit CLE's CWA, all the warnings magically shifted to Severe Thunderstorm Warnings. LOL. Even if there is an isolated tornado, this is not a situation that will produce strong tornadoes. Any tornado damage won't be much worse than the widespread straightline wind damage (or any embedded microbursts). This is just going to make people less likely to take cover when the tornado sirens sound, because it's going to be percieved as a false alarm for 99.9% of the warning area. Last year when they did this, they ended up verifying several tornadoes, and they did this again earlier this year, and verified scores of tornadoes. I don't see an issue with this if there is a situation that warrants it, such as tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennyForYourThoughts Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Alicia Roman: Several mobile homes overturned in Bloomington... "Mass Casualities" is the term the Van Buren Township F.D called it. There are officials on the scene to determine what exactly is going on. There may be several injuries This is from Alicia roman from WISHtv8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHSnow Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Last year when they did this, they ended up verifying several tornadoes, and they did this again earlier this year, and verified scores of tornadoes. I don't see an issue with this if there is a situation that warrants it, such as tonight. Most of the tornadoes last year were supercells ahead of that squall line that came through late in the evening. It may have produced a few tornadoes, but they were generally weaker, and didn't warrant 4 or 5 counties at a time being broadbrushed under a warning. A strongly worded SVR warning mentioning damaging straight line winds and that doppler radar indicated weak rotation and that, while not immediately likely, a tornado may still form would have been sufficient. Any areas of stronger rotation could have been pinpointed with a TOR warning. This seems to be the approach IND is taking for counties east of Indianapolis / Marion County. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Last year when they did this, they ended up verifying several tornadoes, and they did this again earlier this year, and verified scores of tornadoes. I don't see an issue with this if there is a situation that warrants it, such as tonight. The blanket warnings worked well on 4/19...if you had told me there would be 26 tornadoes in Indiana out of this linear mess, I probably would've bet you $100 that you'd be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHweather Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Last year when they did this, they ended up verifying several tornadoes, and they did this again earlier this year, and verified scores of tornadoes. I don't see an issue with this if there is a situation that warrants it, such as tonight. I can see how it causes people to let their guard down, when the vast majority of the area will just see strait line winds that may or may not be severe. I was watching the WISH feed live from Indy when the line went through, were trying to play up 30MPH wind gusts in downtown because the whole line was tornado warned. However, I do have a feeling IND will verify a number of tornadoes as there have been occasional hooks/brief couplettes showing up within the line (especially earlier) that as many others have mentioned, would be very hard to warn for individually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHSnow Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The blanket warnings worked well on 4/19...if you had told me there would be 26 tornadoes in Indiana out of this linear mess, I probably would've bet you $100 that you'd be wrong. I don't mean to turn this into a debate, but I'm curious as to what the velocity scans looked like on 4/19. Frankly, I'm not seeing a whole lot of evidence of rotation with this line on radar... just looks like a well-defined windshift with the squall line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The blanket warnings worked well on 4/19...if you had told me there would be 26 tornadoes in Indiana out of this linear mess, I probably would've bet you $100 that you'd be wrong. Yeah I forgot the date, but this is the one from this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macintosh Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 PRELIMINARY Damage Survey Plans ... Thu - Team 1 Ripley & Carter co MO; Team 2 - Wayne Co toward Perry Co MO; Team 3;: Massac Co & Jefferson Co IL; Friday PRELIMINARY Damage Survey Plans ...Friday - Team 1: Vanderburgh-Gibson co IN. Team 2 OWB KY-Rockport IN & Areas South We saw that Perry County, MO storm rolling through. Saw the funnel cloud from that one. Can't find any news on possible damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY 1019 PM CDT WED MAY 25 2011 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN LOUISVILLE HAS ISSUED A * SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR... BRECKINRIDGE COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY... HARDIN COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY... WESTERN LARUE COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY... MEADE COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY... WESTERN NELSON COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY... SOUTHEASTERN HANCOCK COUNTY IN NORTHWEST KENTUCKY... OHIO COUNTY IN NORTHWEST KENTUCKY... NORTHERN BUTLER COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY... GRAYSON COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY... NORTHERN HART COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY... * UNTIL 1045 PM CDT/1145 PM EDT/ * AT 1014 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 70 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM CLIFTON MILLS TO WYSOX...MOVING EAST AT 135 MPH. * SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WILL ALSO IMPACT... LEITCHFIELD... HODGENVILLE... HARTFORD... HARDINSBURG... ELIZABETHTOWN... WINDYVILLE AND VERTREES... WHITE MILLS JUNCTION AND WEST CLIFTY... ADDINGTON FIELD AIRPORT AND INDIAN HILLS... BOSTON AND TONIEVILLE... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppsRunner Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Last year when they did this, they ended up verifying several tornadoes, and they did this again earlier this year, and verified scores of tornadoes. I don't see an issue with this if there is a situation that warrants it, such as tonight. There were also a few times in July I think (Chicago Derecho) where the entire line was tornado warned for brief rain-wrapped tornadoes, and it verified good enough. There's nothing wrong with that when there is some rotation within the storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I don't mean to turn this into a debate, but I'm curious as to what the velocity scans looked like on 4/19. Frankly, I'm not seeing a whole lot of evidence of rotation with this line on radar... just looks like a well-defined windshift with the squall line. There's nothing wrong with issuing blanket warnings like that, if people are paying attention to the warnings, as they should be, they would see that they are TW's for brief tornadoes on the leading edge of the line, which happens a lot of times. Usually they are there for one scan, and gone. And I wonder if you would also then be complaining that no warning was issued at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The blanket warnings worked well on 4/19...if you had told me there would be 26 tornadoes in Indiana out of this linear mess, I probably would've bet you $100 that you'd be wrong. that's such a great regional radar shot...love the sine wave look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I don't mean to turn this into a debate, but I'm curious as to what the velocity scans looked like on 4/19. Frankly, I'm not seeing a whole lot of evidence of rotation with this line on radar... just looks like a well-defined windshift with the squall line. There were some well-defined couplets but a lot of weaker ones or nothing at all from what I could tell. The threat of long track strong/violent tornadoes gets reduced but you can occasionally get brief, strong tornadoes to spin up as we did last month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 that's such a great regional radar shot...love the sine wave look Yeah, it's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderon Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 MOVING EAST AT 135 MPH. seriously? Someone had to have made an error in typing this puppy out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajdos Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Not one Severe warning for Mi today. Ill consider myself lucky. Although, plenty of flooding is occurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 seriously? Someone had to have made an error in typing this puppy out. It was hilarious when WAVE3 had an OEM from where this warning is on the phone when that warning came out. The 2 mets looked at each other like they had been shot, and said, that can't be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 This is from one of the blanket tornado warning areas PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN 1118 PM EDT WED MAY 25 2011 .TIME... ...EVENT... ...CITY LOCATION... ...LAT.LON .DATE... ....MAG.... ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE. ..REMARKS.. 1045 PM TSTM WND DMG LEBANON 40.05N 86.47W 05/25/2011 BOONE IN AMATEUR RADIO SR 39 AND SR 32. PLY WOOD ON STREET. ROOF OFF APARTMENT BUILDING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderon Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Parts of East Nashville were absolutely nailed yesterday morning, and here it comes again. SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NASHVILLE TN 1027 PM CDT WED MAY 25 2011 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NASHVILLE HAS ISSUED A * SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR... NORTHEASTERN HICKMAN COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE... NORTHWESTERN WILLIAMSON COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE... DICKSON COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE... WESTERN DAVIDSON COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE... CHEATHAM COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE... MONTGOMERY COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE... ROBERTSON COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE... * UNTIL 1100 PM CDT * AT 1024 PM CDT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 80 MPH. THESE SEVERE STORMS EXTENDED FROM OAK GROVE TO LYLES...AND WERE MOVING NORTHEAST AT 65 MPH. * LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE... BELLE MEADE... NASHVILLE... RIDGETOP... SPRINGFIELD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 not even gonna say it back to seriousness, nasty cell, breaching 52k/ft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeEater Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 RT @spann: Will keep the ABC 33/40 Weather Office staffed all night..our state is very nervous and we will do lots of overnight updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-5 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Interesting storm just ahead of the main line in NW Alabama right now. Rotation, while still weak, is on the upswing and it looks like it will have a good 30-45 mins. before the line overtakes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paweatherguy1 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 So, being not a severe weather expert at all, what are the chances of this line holding together into western PA? My guess is not very good, as they are still at least 5 hours away from the Pittsburgh area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The 2/98 Florida outbreak was part of a line. a couple of F4s with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyes2theskies Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I am guessing this is what you would call a derecho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KokomoWX Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Nothing materialized for Kokomo/Howard County. However I did put 125 miles on the car chasing warnings. By my count, we saw... 7 tornado warnings 8 thunderstorm warnings 1 flash flood warning 1 tornado watch 1 PDS tornado watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaoPos Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 So, being not a severe weather expert at all, what are the chances of this line holding together into western PA? My guess is not very good, as they are still at least 5 hours away from the Pittsburgh area? ehh, could hold. shear is solid out there. but sooner or later,t hey'll run into weaker instability. SO while they might reach you, they shouldn't be as severe. or widespread severe* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluggerWx Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Cell ahead of the line approaching Nashville has me worried...KSstorm posted the EHI of Hermitage of 5.1 earlier, so I anticipate a close call here in Hermitage if something does end up touching down ahead of that line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderon Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Cell ahead of the line approaching Nashville has me worried...KSstorm posted the EHI of Hermitage of 5.1 earlier, so I anticipate a close call here in Hermitage if something does end up touching down ahead of that line... you should be fine, it is still a relatively sloppy cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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