CoastalWx Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I spent all of my first 18 summers at our vacation cabin at 1500' in the Poconos of extreme northeast PA (my parents are both teachers and have the summers off, they bought this house for 45K in 1986)...average July day there is 77/55. After I finished HS, I got a job as a newspaper reporter here in Westchester and had to stay home alone all summer in Dobbs Ferry. The heat/humidity totally blew me away, Summer 2006 wasn't nearly as bad as the preceding summer but it felt miserable to me, as we only have AC in the bedrooms. I was really going out of my mind with the 90/70 weather and the lack of radiational cooling at night. When you live in that 1500-2000' elevation band in NE PA, you almost always get down to the 50s at night during summer, and often the 40s, heck I remember having the heat on in late June a couple times. Average low here in Dobbs Ferry is 66F in mid-July, and it's not uncommon to stay in the 70s. It was a brutal transition, now I've gotten used to and appreciate the heat since I started my veggie garden in 2008. I was glad to be working in MT last summer, living at 5000', almost never got above 80F compared to the torrid conditions in the Northeast. We had a high of 39F on June 16th in St. Mary, MT with snow mixing in with +RA. A 998mb low tracked through eastern MT, absolutely blasted us with rain, mountains with snow. I got home to 90/70 weather and was nearly going mad. I think only one night the whole summer stayed in the 60s in Montana, and I lived there from around June 5th to August 15th...that was the one humid night with thunderstorms. Most common was 40s at night with clear starry skies, perfect campfire weather high in the mountains. Lapse rates in the summer during the lower levels tend to be naturally unstable, so yeah once you get above 1000ft, the temps are relatively cool as lower level lapse rates are steep and temps decrease pretty quickly with height. I was out in the Rockies for a week back in '05 and it got into the 30s at night there in the summer..with highs in the 70s. Also saw hail and snow during a tstm at 12,000ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 It's all subjective. If I could live 2500' up during the summer...I would, lol. Why not in the winter? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#NoPoles Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 working outside all day in the worcester hills denuded of all major tree cover in this weather sucks donkey cojones... Will i'm trying to get you to get some trees, you're doing a good job of ignoring me...i'll work on megan...i bet i could get her, to get you, to get some trees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Strong gradient across NJ this afternoon...Wilmington, DE got up to 75F today with mostly clear skies and winds light/variable, as did surrounding locales in extreme southern NJ. Meanwhile, Newark only hit 63F with NE winds around 10mph. I had a high of 60.9F here in Westchester, almost 10 degrees below average, but I believe that was overnight because it has been cool all afternoon. Yeah, that's typical backdoor behavior... We can have them be quite extreme up here as you well know. There have been some doozies, and I am sure some have their own annectdotes, but the most fantastic I ever remeber was that which ended the 1998 borderline heat wave that occured on March 29,30, and 31 that year throughout much of interior and even coastal SNE. There was the establishment of an early season Bermuda high, but one that was moisture starved because there was no soil and/or vegetation offering evapotran moisture sources. It was 91/43 on the warmest day of that...March 30, up at UML. Nights were tepid at 70 and still dry - weird, but wonderful at driving girls out on the campus grounds for torturuing ugly dudes like me. I remember 3:30 or so on the 31st, looking at the NWS ob out of Caribou Maine, and they had winds gusting from the NNE at 40kts, and were 43F while we had a lazy flag wobbling west drift and were sitting at 89F. Dynamics smelled like cooked classroom, female shampoo and pheromones that day... Anyway, it was 41F at the campus weather center that same time the next day on April 1, at 3:30pm. ...basically your average everyday run-of-the-mill 50F temperature correction in a mere 24 hours, about 35F of which probably registered in the first 20 minutes of fropa. There are plenty of others of the 30-40F ilk, too - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Scooter..when do you think we'll see the best chances of elevated convection the next 3 days/nigts? I know Ekster said he thought tonight/tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 So should you. You were a regular Henry David Thoreau last night in the Sox thread. I've always been pretty good at poetry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Why not in the winter? lol I wish there was a thrust fault 50 miles to my east, and I was 1500' asl..lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 yeah, I hear yah - although, since I've been into gardening, the plants like the warmth and humdiddity better than the warm dry.. You can get into blight conditions, too - but barring that, wow did I have a cucumber crop last year! I was pulling 30 fruit every 4 days during mid-summer. This year appears heading for a troubled start in that regard. Anyway, I also am into cloud videography these days ... the two of these hobbies kind of makes thing warm/humid reliant. This is my first summer doing cucumbers, they look pretty good right now, but the excessive rain may be problematic. I am contemplating pulling the container gardens into the garage tonight to avoid tomorrow's soaking, maybe leave them there Wednesday too...they are like 50-60lbs and a pain in the butt to drag around, but I want to make sure my plants are OK. And don't remind me of blight...my tomato plants got fooked in Summer 2009, all eventually died of the blight though the hybrids lasted the longest and still produced some good fruits. I was working at Stone Barns Agricultural Center, home of the acclaimed Blue Hill restaurant, and they lost over 500 tomato plants to blight; they had to be removed because they were in the proximity of other nightshades, and the blight can be contagious to members of the same species. Nasty summer that was, heat arrived for 2 weeks in August, then it was fall. I went hiking on Mt. Washington in late August, camped out in the shelter at 5000', my friend's thermometer read 26F for the low that morning. We had good sleeping bags but were still extremely cold considering we were all accustomed to summer conditions. 26F in mid-August feels cold. Hopefully we get the soaking rain tomorrow, cloudy and cool with sheet drizzle once in a while today, but no rain, just saw radar maybe a shower in a minute but nothing to the south. SOaker tom, then......................fri, sat, sun, mon................SUN and 70s!!! Rain then day after day of perfect weather, a perfect mix, Best spring ever keeps rolling on!!! Friday is supposed to be mostly cloudy with the cut-off hanging around. The 12z ECM pinwheels it around more which means we may have clouds Saturday too. I am not too enthused about this weather; the arugula, cauliflower, and lettuce seedlings look good, but everything else is going to dislike this heavy rain...especially the eggplants and peppers, which much prefer heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Scooter..when do you think we'll see the best chances of elevated convection the next 3 days/nigts? I know Ekster said he thought tonight/tomorrow I wasn't at work today to really look at things, but perhaps another chance tomorrow night and Thursday as the ULL lifts out and opens up. It's gonna depend on any little s/w and associated LLJ burst that's embedded in the flow. Tough to nail exact timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Do you play frisbee golf in the rain? My neighbors who are into gardening said last year was the best they had ever seen for things like cukes, melon (hard to grow here) and squash not really... The disk gets hard to manage with water and mud... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Wish Ryan would post thoughts about the week instead of lurking all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Lapse rates in the summer during the lower levels tend to be naturally unstable, so yeah once you get above 1000ft, the temps are relatively cool as lower level lapse rates are steep and temps decrease pretty quickly with height. I was out in the Rockies for a week back in '05 and it got into the 30s at night there in the summer..with highs in the 70s. Also saw hail and snow during a tstm at 12,000ft. Yeah, there's a huge difference in having some elevation (any at all) and none during the summer. Especially at night when the elevations seem to cool off nicely while 300ft and lower just bake in stagnant, humid air. That's the difference I noticed last summer after living near Burlington for years when nights (especially urban heat) were brutal at 60-70+. Once I moved out here into the mountains, as soon as the sun goes down the temperature plummets. None of this low-elevation-valley-urban-heat stuff where the sun goes down and it seems like it only gets more humid with no drop in temperature. Mountain valleys here will be 53/53 with fog at 6am while downtown Burlington is like 66/62. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Humid my fanny. Yesterday wasn't bad at all, in fact the higher dews actually make it feel much better. I walked to McDonalds yesterday around 5:30 PM...just had a light jacket on, I was very comfortable...didn't even really sweet. DP of 64F yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 DP of 64F yesterday. 100% relative humidity right now. 45/45. So a very humid day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 This is my first summer doing cucumbers, they look pretty good right now, but the excessive rain may be problematic. I am contemplating pulling the container gardens into the garage tonight to avoid tomorrow's soaking, maybe leave them there Wednesday too...they are like 50-60lbs and a pain in the butt to drag around, but I want to make sure my plants are OK. And don't remind me of blight...my tomato plants got fooked in Summer 2009, all eventually died of the blight though the hybrids lasted the longest and still produced some good fruits. I was working at Stone Barns Agricultural Center, home of the acclaimed Blue Hill restaurant, and they lost over 500 tomato plants to blight; they had to be removed because they were in the proximity of other nightshades, and the blight can be contagious to members of the same species. Nasty summer that was, heat arrived for 2 weeks in August, then it was fall. I went hiking on Mt. Washington in late August, camped out in the shelter at 5000', my friend's thermometer read 26F for the low that morning. We had good sleeping bags but were still extremely cold considering we were all accustomed to summer conditions. 26F in mid-August feels cold. I'm still hopeful for a good cucumber growing season but we absolutlely gotta get rid of these schits - even 45F is too cold... 50 will stunt, and 60 will labor cukes. They really need it above 65 with a good amount of sun. Last year was utter perfection... They out grew the trellis I created for them, crept over the back fense and started spready across the front lawn. They reminded me of that Creep Show skit that had Steven King in it - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 100% relative humidity right now. 45/45. So a very humid day. Somehow we all knew this was going to happen, let's hope June is nicer. So far three games cancelled, all last year 1 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Lapse rates in the summer during the lower levels tend to be naturally unstable, so yeah once you get above 1000ft, the temps are relatively cool as lower level lapse rates are steep and temps decrease pretty quickly with height. I was out in the Rockies for a week back in '05 and it got into the 30s at night there in the summer..with highs in the 70s. Also saw hail and snow during a tstm at 12,000ft. Yeah, the climate in Montana varies intensely with elevation; it's pretty common to see 90s and 100s in the Montana Prairies during summer while places like St. Mary peak in the 70s/low 80s most days. St. Mary's downtown is at 4560', and Logan Pass in Glacier National Park is at 6646'. Some of this may also have to do with the lack of vegetation and quick browning of the prairies during the summer, but those places like Glasgow really cook with high temperatures near 100F, although it's not torrid in the East Coast sense as nights routinely drop into the 50s with 3000' elevation and extremely low humidity. Driving up to St. Mary from Browning, you don't see any natural forest until you approach 4000', and often at that elevation the spruces/cottonwoods are scattered and only on the moist north-facing slopes. By the time you get to St. Mary, it's a thick spruce/aspen/cottonwood forest, very green. It's common to have hot afternoons in the Prairies on WSW downsloping winds, which can become dangerously high given the sharp relief. I went to a doctor in Cut Bank for a minor case of bronchitis, and when I exited the office I was nearly thrown back inside by the downsloping winds. That was a dry heat, although not as dry as what I encountered when I drove through Utah's Salt Flats on I-80. The radiational cooling is insane out there; even with 850s near 20C, we'd drop into the 40s at night. One thing that shocked me is how high 850mb temperatures get in Montana...20C would produce an average day in the 70s during mid-summer, and even when we got close to 30C, temperatures would only be near 80-85F. All that heat cooking in the Sonoran desert can bring some really high 850s into MT, >30C commonly, not something you'd ever see in the East. We had an unusually cold June when I was there last summer, and the 998mb low on June 16th blasted the 10C line out of there with a few bubbles of 0C around. We were all rain at 4600' during the day with temps around 39F, but snow/sleet began to mix in at night....I'd say the snow line for accumulations was around 6000', with over a foot falling in the really high peaks at 8k/9k. Here is a picture of a hike we took to see the storm, I was wearing a winter jacket on June 16th, shows the snow line well: Sublime view of the high peaks later in summer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 100% relative humidity right now. 45/45. So a very humid day. yeah, I'm dripping with sweat everytime I so much as move a muscle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 yeah, I'm dripping with sweat everytime I so much as move a muscle... It's cold in my house down to 61 inside, all windows shut. Should I put the storm windows back up ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 DP of 64F yesterday. meh still not bad...once it gets to 65F then it's a tad noticeable, especially when doing activities outside...above 68F then it's worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I'm still hopeful for a good cucumber growing season but we absolutlely gotta get rid of these schits - even 45F is too cold... 50 will stunt, and 60 will labor cukes. They really need it above 65 with a good amount of sun. Last year was utter perfection... They out grew the trellis I created for them, crept over the back fense and started spready across the front lawn. They reminded me of that Creep Show skit that had Steven King in it - We did need some rain, however...I'd only recorded 0.4" rainfall this May until the current storm began, and my garden's soil was definitely becoming dry. Temperatures have been right on the button normal, so it hasn't been an awful May by any means. Central Park is +0.8F, and BOS is -0.2F, so we're continuing with the very "normal" weather that we've seen since March...not a lot of torches, not much in the way of extreme cold. Central Park hasn't had a daily departures greater than +/-7F this month, which shows the lack of extremes we've had. I just hope my soil doesn't become too water-logged as to hurt the plant's root systems. The soil in the Hudson Valley can be a bit heavy on the clay, so I frequently have problems to get the garden dry when we get these big rainstorms. Also, slugs and blight have been a difficulty the last few years, but I'm confident that I'm pretty on top of it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Wish Ryan would post thoughts about the week instead of lurking all the time Haven't looked at anything in a couple days. Looks wet. Hoping that by Memorial Day weekend things turnaround. Would like a couple beach days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 100% relative humidity right now. 45/45. So a very humid day. Another line coming ine SE MA. There not doing much in the way of rain production, mostly steady drizzle right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 We had a clap of thunder in the cell that just went overhead about 30 to 45 minutes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Official highs today: BOS: 50F (-17F departure) ORH: 47F (-20F) PVD: 52F (-17F) BDL: 55F (-17F) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Haven't looked at anything in a couple days. Looks wet. Hoping that by Memorial Day weekend things turnaround. Would like a couple beach days. Let's just get a warm rain with temps in the 60's. Nothing is worse than this today. 46.8 now and drizzle. I absolutely detest this wx. We've avoided it for almost 2 yrs now until this brief 2 day stretch this week. At least yesterday was warm even though it poured. I can't wait for Wednesday I bet at least 10 people in SNE have killed themselves today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Haven't looked at anything in a couple days. Looks wet. Hoping that by Memorial Day weekend things turnaround. Would like a couple beach days. RI doubled beach fees, good thing I know where to park and beach for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 RI doubled beach fees, good thing I know where to park and beach for free. We might have to wait until July this year for beach days. Hopefully we haven't all taken electrical baths by then...esp Kevin. He is going to be in some serious trouble if we don't get a huge torch soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 We might have to wait until July this year for beach days. Hopefully we haven't all taken electrical baths by then...esp Kevin. He is going to be in some serious trouble if we don't get a huge torch soon. I'll be fine with the 80/65 Tip promised by Sunday/Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 48/48, persistent drizzle and light rain. Highs in the 40's with a raw East wind all day. I'll take this over the warm mank as there are no Black flies at these temps. Looks like day after wrist slitting day for the warministas. Walked a few holes this evening, solo on the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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