Master of Disaster Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 3rd sentence is a fragment. Also, purchase a thesaurus. Kind of strange to actually see some decent advice coming from you that doesnt center around a personal attack. You feeling ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southmdwatcher Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 It was called TOIN (Tornado Outbreak Index Number...I think). Perhaps janetj or Tony can run this one through when all the numbers come in. http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/984-2010-tornado-outbreaks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 Yeah, I was wondering the same thing-- what the tally is so far. Briefly combing through this thread, I didn't see any reports Re: the long-tracker that went through Tuscaloosa-- or did I miss that one? I imagine there's a lot of work to do with that one. I am working on it...I think the tally of EF4/EF5 combined is at least 10, but don't hold me to it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I am working on it...I think the tally of EF4/EF5 combined is at least 10, but don't hold me to it yet. Oh, very cool. Are you going to make some data tables or maps? P.S. I hope they do some visualized analyses like what they did for Parkersburg: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/images/dmx/parkersburg/Final-small-PDF-PARKERSBURG-NEW-HARTFORD-IOWA-EF-5-TORNADO.pdf That is a hawt diagram. I love all the detail and the combination of map and photographic examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack123 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I have been a little bit out of control and I am sorry everyone. I guess all this death and destruction has just mentally gotten me down and has been very overwhelming. I guess I am immature for thinking a lot about a dumb tornado rating instead of all the people who lost their lives because of it. Is there a place I can go to donate money for the victims families and survivors. Ill just set back and read the other posts and am hoping I can learn how this weather stuff works. Shane Turner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I just wrote an article about it. We are at 6 EF-4s. http://www.examiner....ls-at-least-193 According to wikipedia only about 1/3 of the tornadoes have been categorize. To account for the death toll stylistically they need to confirm 600 more EF1s or 6 more EF5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 Oh, very cool. Are you going to make some data tables or maps? P.S. I hope they do some visualized analyses like what they did for Parkersburg: http://www.crh.noaa....F-5-TORNADO.pdf That is a hawt diagram. I love all the detail and the combination of map and photographic examples. I am going CWA by CWA and putting info in a spreadsheet. The stuff along the AL/MS and AL/GA borders is going to drive me nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I am going CWA by CWA and putting info in a spreadsheet. The stuff along the AL/MS and AL/GA borders is going to drive me nuts. Because of the sheer number of unique circulations and the crossing tracks? Or because of different NWS offices surveying different portions of the lifecycles of some of the same storms? Ugh, I can imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I am going CWA by CWA and putting info in a spreadsheet. The stuff along the AL/MS and AL/GA borders is going to drive me nuts. I'm doing that as well. The BMX-HUN WFO borders is a pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 TOIN would be at least 2nd place.....here is a conservative very rough estimation so far i will use 3 billion in damages (a fatality is 2 points these days, while 1960- 1980 1 point, before that 1/2 point adjustment for better lead times) also pre 1990 F3 anf F4's worth 80% of todays rating, F5 same as todays) fatalities 345 690 points damages 3 billion 600 points Tornadoes about 100 confirmed during 26-27th timeframe 100 points Ef2 18 36 points Ef3 18 180 points Ef 4 8 160 points Ef 5 1 30 points 1796 points superoutbreak 2238 Flint/Wor 1031.5 Palmsunday 978 Tri state 804.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 TOIN would be at least 2nd place.....here is a conservative very rough estimation so far i will use 3 billion in damages (a fatality is 2 points these days, while 1960- 1980 1 point, before that 1/2 point adjustment for better lead times) also pre 1990 F3 anf F4's worth 80% of todays rating, F5 same as todays) fatalities 345 690 points damages 3 billion 600 points Tornadoes about 100 confirmed during 26-27th timeframe 100 points Ef2 18 36 points Ef3 18 180 points Ef 4 8 160 points Ef 5 1 30 points 1796 points superoutbreak 2238 Flint/Wor 1031.5 Palmsunday 978 Tri state 804.5 What do we call this thing? I know there were tornadoes farther north but most of the bad stuff was farther south. Southern Super Outbreak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 ^ Dixie Alley Super Outbreak 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Or maybe the "Great Dixie Outbreak"? I like the way that sounds. I work in branding, and that sounds like a durable brand to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 I'm doing that as well. The BMX-HUN WFO borders is a pain. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 What do we call this thing? I know there were tornadoes farther north but most of the bad stuff was farther south. Southern Super Outbreak? As I'm going through doing this, I'm realizing the numbers are going to be a lot closer to the Super Outbreak than I thought. Super Outbreak II? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I didnt really count the tornadoes for any other purpose rather than to elucidate the WFO/state crossing tornadoes... Tony would probably have a much more complete spreadsheet and more statistics on the outbreak which I'm sure he will share later. Four cross-WFO tornadoes [nearly] fully surveyed: Hackelburg to Phil Campbell: EF4, 66 total fatalities, path length of 64.2 mi (at least). Jefferson Co, AL to Bartow Co, GA: EF3+, unk fatalities, path length of 98 mi. Ringgold, GA to Cleveland, TN: EF4, 20 total fatalities, path length of 48 mi. Snell, MS to Choctaw Co, AL: EF4, 7 total fatalities, path length of 92.3 mi. Not fully surveyed (a preliminary list): The other two Marion Co EF3's need to be surveyed by MEG (or JAN, depending on start location) and, for one of them, HUN. The Dade-Walker Co, GA tornado started in HUN's territory. (edited for some minor errors) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJW155 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 We may as well call it the Royal Wedding Outbreak since nature interfered w/ the media's wedding plans. Those poor reporters had to report in the middle of the night from England about what was going on in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 As I'm going through doing this, I'm realizing the numbers are going to be a lot closer to the Super Outbreak than I thought. Super Outbreak II? The Wikipedia article for this event has estimated damages in the $2-5 billion range, which would put it near (or possibly above) the Super Outbreak when adjusted for inflation. I wasn't sure I'd live to see the day that something would come close to the Super Outbreak, but it appears this one did in multiple categories. The geographic extent or lack thereof of violent tornadoes is one of the only things that falls short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 Hackleburg is EF5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.B. LaForce Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Hackleburg is EF5. Yep, just saw that: http://kamala.cod.edu/offs/KBMX/1104302306.nous44.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 This is what I have so far for the 4/26-4/27 outbreak: EF?: 2 EF0: 34 EF1: 38 EF2: 28 EF3: 18 EF4: 7 EF5: 2 Total: 129 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 administrative professionals' (secretary's) day outbreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 I like the Great Dixie Outbreak myself. And Super Outbreak had 30 EF 4's and 6 EF 5's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 How about the Finishing What Sherman Started Outbreak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted May 1, 2011 Author Share Posted May 1, 2011 With adding the tornadoes from VA and NC on Thursday because there was a less than 6 hour break and with new survey results, here are the current totals: EF?: 2 EF0: 45 EF1: 46 EF2: 32 EF3: 18 EF4: 7 EF5: 2 Total: 152 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 From NWS Binghamtom NY: 04/28/2011 0550 AM 2 NW UNIONDALE SUSQUEHANNA PA NWS STORM SURVEY AN EF0 TORNADO...WITH A PATH LENGTH OF 1.2 MILES...AND A PATH WIDTH OF AROUND 80 YARDS...CAUSED TREE AND SOME STRUCTURAL DAMAGE. MANY TREES WERE UPROOTED...WITH THE TORNADO LIFTING THEREAFTER FOR A BRIEF TIME. WHEN THE TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN AGAIN...IT DAMAGED A MOBILE HOME. PART OF THE ROOF WAS TORN OFF...AND THROWN ABOUT 100 YARDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 How do the EF-5's here compare with the Tri-State tornado outbreak of 1925? What kind of data did we have back then to capture about the tornadoes except for the aftermath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HUNTSVILLE AL 939 PM CDT SAT APR 30 2011 ...PRELIMINARY STORM SURVEY INFORMATION FROM JACKSON COUNTY... A PRELIMINARY STORM SURVEY OF THE DAMAGE INCURRED ACROSS SOUTHERN AND EASTERN JACKSON COUNTY IS ONGOING BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PERSONNEL. INITIAL FINDINGS ARE AS FOLLOWS: * EVENT TYPE: TORNADO * EVENT DATE: 04/27/11 * ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 190.0 MPH * PRELIMINARY RATING: EF-4 * PATH LENGTH: UNDETERMINED * MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH: 1/2 - 1 MILE * FATALITIES: 6 * INJURIES: UNDETERMINED * SUMMARY: A VIOLENT LONG TRACK TORNADO BEGAN ITS LIFE ABOUT 3 MILES NORTHEAST OF SECTION AS AN EF-0 TO EF-1 TORNADO WITH PEAK WIND SPEEDS OF 70 TO 90 MPH SNAPPING OR UPROOTING SEVERAL SOFT AND HARDWOOD TREES. THE TORNADO RAPIDLY INTENSIFIED TO HIGH END EF-3 TO LOW END EF-4 STRENGTH WITH PEAK WIND SPEEDS OF 150 TO 170 MPH AND A PATH WIDTH OF 1/2 TO 3/4 MILE AS IT ROARED INTO AREAS NORTHEAST OF PISGAH AND NORTH OF ROSALIE. RESIDENTS INTERVIEWED REMARKED THAT THIS TORNADO WAS MULTI- VORTEX WITH UP TO THREE TORNADOES MERGING INTO ONE VERY LARGE TORNADO. THERE WAS SOME EVIDENCE OF THIS IN THE DAMAGE SWATH...BUT AN AERIAL SURVEY MAY PROVE MORE TELLING. THIS TORNADO SWARMED SEVERAL MOBILE HOMES AND BLOCK FOUNDATION HOMES IN ITS PATH...AND SNAPPED OR UPROOTED THOUSANDS OF TREES. NUMEROUS TREES WERE DEBARKED IN THE PROCESS. THE TORNADO LEVELED AT LEAST TWO MOBILE HOMES AND SWEPT THEIR REMAINS HUNDREDS OF YARDS DOWNWIND. THREE WERE KILLED IN THREE SEPARATE HOMES. SEVERAL VEHICLES WERE LAUNCHED OR SWEPT SEVERAL YARDS IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS...IN A FEW CASES UP TO 50 YARDS AWAY FROM THEIR PARENT LOCATION. THE FRIENDSHIP CHURCH ROOF WAS HEAVILY DAMAGED. SEVERAL FARMS WERE ALSO AFFECTED...WITH BARNS AND CHICKEN HOUSES HEAVILY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. AS THE TORNADO CONTINUED ITS TRACK...IT INTENSIFIED EVEN FURTHER TO A HIGH END EF-4 INTENSITY WITH PEAK WINDS OF UP TO 190 MPH AS IT APPROACHED THE FLAT ROCK AND HIGDON COMMUNITIES. THE TORNADO KILLED ANOTHER THREE FROM THE SAME FAMILY AT A RESIDENCE SOUTHWEST OF FLAT ROCK. THE TORNADO MOWED THOUSANDS OF TREES IN A 1/2 TO 3/4 MILE PATH WIDTH. ONE WELL BUILT BLOCK FOUNDATION HOME LITERALLY EXPLODED AS THE TORNADO STRUCK...LIFTING AND SWEEPING ALL ITS STRUCTURE AND CONTENTS DOWNWIND...IN SOME CASES SEVERAL HUNDRED YARDS. A PROPANE TANK WAS LIFTED AND DROPPED SEVERAL FEET AWAY. HOWEVER...MIRACULOUSLY...A MOTHER AND THREE CHILDREN TAKING REFUGE IN A HALLWAY WERE COMPLETELY UNHARMED. AT THIS FARM...ALL FENCING WAS DESTROYED AND UP TO 19 CATTLE WERE KILLED. A SEPARATE WEAKER TORNADO TRACK OF EF-0 TO EF-1 INTENSITY SNAPPED OR UPROOTED NUMEROUS TREES...DAMAGING A FEW HOMES AND MOBILES HOMES ALONG AND NEAR THE HIGHWAY 71 CORRIDOR FROM NEAR SECTION TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF PISGAH. THE ASSOCIATED MESOCYCLONE EVENTUALLY MERGED AND POSSIBLY INTENSIFIED THE VIOLENT TORNADO THAT WAS ALREADY IN PROGRESS NEAR PISGAH WHICH EVENTUALLY TRACKED NORTHEAST THROUGH COMMUNITIES OF FLAT ROCK AND HIGDON. * EVENT TYPE: TORNADO * EVENT DATE: 04/27/11 * ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 90.0 MPH * PRELIMINARY RATING: EF-1 * PATH LENGTH: UNDETERMINED * MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH: 300 YARDS * FATALITIES: 0 * INJURIES: UNKNOWN THESE FINDINGS ARE PRELIMINARY AND ARE SUBJECT TO ADJUSTMENT. A SURVEY TEAM WILL BE REDISPATCHED SUNDAY TO ASSESS THE REMAINDER TRACK OF THIS TORNADO AS IT IS SUSPECTED TO REACH THE GEORGIA BORDER. THIS TEAM OR AN ADDITIONAL TEAM WILL LIKELY BE DISPATCHED TO NORTHEASTERN JACKSON COUNTY IN THE BRIDGEPORT AREA TO DOCUMENT A SEPARATE TORNADO TRACK. IN ADDITION...INFORMATION IS BEING REVIEWED BY A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER AND METEOROLOGIST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derecho! Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 How about Mega Outbreak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 How about Mega Outbreak? Maybe Neil Youngs Outbreak The Alabama Slammer Or Obamas Katrina (Fox news's pick.) However I perfer the 2011 Super Outbreak. That way 10 years from now people won't be claiming it caused the Space Shuttle Columbia to crash or the Columbine shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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