Damage In Tolland Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Because it bothers you a lot more when you get less than him than when its vice-versa. It's ok if you like him better. Honestly...you both live in Mass, you both like the Red Sox, you both roomed together at the conferences, you're the same age..only difference is you like girls..and GAY likes guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Temperatures were near average as you got further north in 56-57, so I'm not surprised Boston did much better than NYC, where it was a poor winter. I'm sure it was fine in Rindge as well....There were actually some solid cold anomalies over the Northern Plains from the PV sitting over Canada and bringing lower heights to those regions, but I'd be scared of the SE ridge. Just like 07-08, the cold air basically sat near the Canadian border and didn't move an inch. With analogs like 56-57, 71-72, 00-01, and 08-09, we're definitely getting a solid signal for a strong snowfall gradient. Whether the coast does decently like 00-01, or horribly like 07-08, is still up for grabs....but none of these analogs have southern areas doing as well as northern areas. I'm really glad I'm moving to NH in a few weeks. The coast from Boston points N did better in '07-'08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The coast from Boston points N did better in '07-'08. Yeah especially north shore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 The coast from Boston points N did better in '07-'08. I meant the major cities/I-95 as in DCA to BOS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 How did Ashburnham do in 70-71 and 00-01? I know you said they had around 100" in 07-08, but what about the other analogs? 55-56? '55-'56: 118.0" '70-'71: 103.5" '00-'01: 125" (estimated because they are missing data on some crucial dates) '07-'08: 92.2" (exact same total as '56-'57...both BOS and Ashburnham pulled off that trick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Ashburnham is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Ashburnham is ridiculous. Yes they are. I always got jealous driving up there when I was tutoring over at Cushing Academy. I'm glad I live on the correct side of the elevation gradient though...from here up through Holden is pretty darn good, but its certainly not Ashburnham. But its a lot closer to them than say SE areas of Worcester down through southern Shrewsbury where elevation is like 400-450 feet. That's where ma_blizzard tied nooses for several winters in certain events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Rindge should get a bit more snowfall than Ashburnham, correct? How many more inches will I average at the school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Yes they are. I always got jealous driving up there when I was tutoring over at Cushing Academy. I'm glad I live on the correct side of the elevation gradient though...from here up through Holden is pretty darn good, but its certainly not Ashburnham. But its a lot closer to them than say SE areas of Worcester down through southern Shrewsbury where elevation is like 400-450 feet. That's where ma_blizzard tied nooses for several winters in certain events. weatherMA also lives on the south side of ORH at lower elevation, correct? So was he also tying nooses, Will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Rindge should get a bit more snowfall than Ashburnham, correct? How many more inches will I average at the school? You can probably add about 1-2" for latitude and another 1-2" for elevation. You'll be about 150 feet higher than Ashburnham coop. They average 78", so when you add on for latitude/elevation, that's where I come up with the 80-82" estimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I meant the major cities/I-95 as in DCA to BOS... Ok, well that was not the case for Boston...the others, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 You can probably add about 1-2" for latitude and another 1-2" for elevation. You'll be about 150 feet higher than Ashburnham coop. They average 78", so when you add on for latitude/elevation, that's where I come up with the 80-82" estimate. What's the lowest snowfall total at the Ashburnham co-op? Were any years ridiculously bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Yes they are. I always got jealous driving up there when I was tutoring over at Cushing Academy. I'm glad I live on the correct side of the elevation gradient though...from here up through Holden is pretty darn good, but its certainly not Ashburnham. But its a lot closer to them than say SE areas of Worcester down through southern Shrewsbury where elevation is like 400-450 feet. That's where ma_blizzard tied nooses for several winters in certain events. Yeah as jealous as I get sometimes...it has to be a tease for ma_blizzard and company. But, like we've talked about before...even the lower elevations like Townsend etc do really well....even with snowpack retention. They are tucked in their own little notch up there....Townsend down through Shirley/Harvard area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 What's the lowest snowfall total at the Ashburnham co-op? Were any years ridiculously bad? 29.1" in '50-'51 32.8" in '79-'80 34.5" in '88-'89 30.6" in '94-'95 A few other awful years in the upper 30s like '90-'91. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 In the category of historical weenie milestones.....today marks the first late summer run where the 540 line is modeled to come into the US. Congrats Mica Vim Toot. This forecast brought to you by none other than the 18z GFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 29.1" in '50-'51 32.8" in '79-'80 34.5" in '88-'89 30.6" in '94-'95 A few other awful years in the upper 30s like '90-'91. Funny to see a weak Niña like 50-51 in there...that sequence of Niña/-PDO years from 48-49 through 50-51 had such an amplified -PNA, however. I believe even LA had snow in January 1950 with the deep western trough. Only 48-49 was a decent winter in the East, and even that year was incredibly warm east of the Mississippi. Although we might be in the same place with the nascent -PDO, at least we're aligning more favorable with the -NAO decadal cycle this time around, so that the western trough is muted by the block over Greenland. We had a big western trough in parts of Dec 2010 yet the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic still saw very cold temperatures, unlike in winters like 48-49, 49-50, and 50-51. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 In the category of historical weenie milestones.....today marks the first late summer run where the 540 line line is modeled to come into the US. Congrats Mica Vim Toot. This forecast brought to you by none other than the 18z GFS. He's polishing his sled as we speak... Does Westminster get a hair less than Ashburnham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma blizzard Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 weatherMA also lives on the south side of ORH at lower elevation, correct? So was he also tying nooses, Will? hes about 4 mi nnw of me in the northwest part of town while im on the grafton line in the southern part of town .. but we are both at similiar elevation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He's polishing his sled as we speak... Does Westminster get a hair less than Ashburnham? I'll leave that to Will, but I would think just a hair less. Of course..it depends on elevation too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 In the category of historical weenie milestones.....today marks the first late summer run where the 540 line is modeled to come into the US. Congrats Mica Vim Toot. This forecast brought to you by none other than the 18z GFS. Oh man does that look refreshing, even down here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I'll leave that to Will, but I would think just a hair less. Of course..it depends on elevation too. Well, Ashuburnham does have Mt. Watatic (dearly departed...) at 1800+'... That could have been a decent little area if properly managed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 I'll leave that to Will, but I would think just a hair less. Of course..it depends on elevation too. Yeah they get probably an inch or two less on average than Ashburnham, though if you want to be a weenie, part of Wachusett mountain is in Westminster, so that part would do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ma blizzard Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Yes they are. I always got jealous driving up there when I was tutoring over at Cushing Academy. I'm glad I live on the correct side of the elevation gradient though...from here up through Holden is pretty darn good, but its certainly not Ashburnham. But its a lot closer to them than say SE areas of Worcester down through southern Shrewsbury where elevation is like 400-450 feet. That's where ma_blizzard tied nooses for several winters in certain events. 2/23/10 12/09 ice storm, although there was about 1/16" - 1/8" on limbs ~5 ft off the ground vd storm 07 norlun (?) jan 07 icing event (?) essentially any marginal icing or snow event and im cooked .. but i do radiate well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Yeah they get probably an inch or two less on average than Ashburnham, though if you want to be a weenie, part of Wachusett mountain is in Westminster, so that part would do better. Hopefully there is a storm during XMAS break or on a weekend that you and I can weenie it up for...meet at a bar with wi--fi, take a couple Jebwalks, have some brews etc. I hope to see you at some point once I move up to Rindge, will be busy teaching but will try to make time to come down that way and talk winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Well, Ashuburnham does have Mt. Watatic (dearly departed...) at 1800+'... That could have been a decent little area if properly managed. Yeah those mtns heading nw into New Ipswich really allow that area to get smoked. I knew someone that lived on the ern slopes of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 2/23/10 12/09 ice storm, although there was about 1/16" - 1/8" on limbs ~5 ft off the ground vd storm 07 norlun (?) jan 07 icing event (?) essentially any marginal icing or snow event and im cooked .. but i do radiate well December 2008 you mean. The '07 norlun was Feb 22, 2007...that was marginal. I think I had like 5-6" and you ended up with 2" of slush. The VD storm was bizarre...you had pure sleet bombs while I was 80% snow mixed with sleet...that might have been my latitude more than anything, but we also concluded that if it was marginal enough, then even just a minor upslope advantage could cool that thin wamr layer enough to allow at least some snow to mix in. Weird event that was though. The Jan 15, 2007 icing event was pretty good too. Though latitude also helped in that one like it did in the 12/08 storm, but elevation certainly played a role too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 December 2008 you mean. The '07 norlun was Feb 22, 2007...that was marginal. I think I had like 5-6" and you ended up with 2" of slush. The VD storm was bizarre...you had pure sleet bombs while I was 80% snow mixed with sleet...that might have been my latitude more than anything, but we also concluded that if it was marginal enough, then even just a minor upslope advantage could cool that thin wamr layer enough to allow at least some snow to mix in. Weird event that was though. The Jan 15, 2007 icing event was pretty good too. Though latitude also helped in that one like it did in the 12/08 storm, but elevation certainly played a role too. How much snow did you get on 2/14/2007? We had 25" at 350' in the Champlain Valley. Parts of the Adirondacks had over 40"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 How much snow did you get on 2/14/2007? We had 25" at 350' in the Champlain Valley. Parts of the Adirondacks had over 40"... 7.7"...tons of sleet mixed in though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted August 15, 2011 Author Share Posted August 15, 2011 Hopefully there is a storm during XMAS break or on a weekend that you and I can weenie it up for...meet at a bar with wi--fi, take a couple Jebwalks, have some brews etc. I hope to see you at some point once I move up to Rindge, will be busy teaching but will try to make time to come down that way and talk winter. There's probably some good places to meet up in Gardner, MA...that's about a 25 minute drive for me and probably about 20 minutes from Rindge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 7.7"...tons of sleet mixed in though. That storm was an epic disappointment for SNE and NYC metro, areas that looked to be smoked but ended up almost all sleet. I believe the sleet line made it as far as Rutland, VT...the mid-levels got absurdly warm while the surface stayed frigid. Even in Middlebury, we had very icy snowflakes for a while but ended up getting smoked with a raging blizzard that closed the entire campus for a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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