E PA/NJ/DE/NE MD/Elko, NV/Big Jim: OBS 12/1-12/14

[famartin]

A 95-96 repeat would be difficult to do, considering that by late December 1995 we already had 3 accumulating snowfalls within the NYC metro and NJ burbs.

3? I had 5

[famartin]

Go read about winter 95-96 and you will change your opinion.

A much, much weaker La Nina episode.

[Voyager]

what a disaster so far. cold, but no snow...next storm is all rain..then back to frigid cold and dry. yuck. really hurts to not cash in with all the cold being that it's most likely going to be at a premium come january.

For once I agree with you.

[Voyager]

The mine pit, looking in from the top, this morning before the sun did it's dirty work.

[tombo82685]

The mine pit, looking in from the top, this morning before the sun did it's dirty work.

where at in skook county? For some reason im thinking st clair area, i thought i have seen mine pits like that up there.

[Voyager]

where at in skook county? For some reason im thinking st clair area, i thought i have seen mine pits like that up there.

Close. This one is just east of Port Carbon. I go through St Clair though to deliver to one of the breakers.

[SnoSki14]

I'd rather just have it be warm than cold. It's becoming pretty obvious that we're not going to get snow anytime soon and I'm already getting tired of the cold winds. Give me back my 60s please.

[daxx]

I'd rather just have it be warm than cold. It's becoming pretty obvious that we're not going to get snow anytime soon and I'm already getting tired of the cold winds. Give me back my 60s please.

Go to sleep, then wake up in April.

[ChescoWx]

First sub freezing day here in the NW Philly Burbs

Hi Today 32.3

Low so far 25.1

A few light flurries off and on and this evening

Looks like JBs wild start to December is coming to frution this weekend! Great pattern over the next few weeks!

[Voyager]

33.4 was the high today here, so we have not had a sub-freezing maximum yet.

[Guest Patrick]

LOL Ray.... you KNOW I am not about to argue with the king of winter storm record-keeping here =) But I think I got my point across... that season featured a weaker nina, and is not likely to be repeated anytime soon. It's not impossible, just not likely ;P

3? I had 5

[famartin]

Looks like JBs wild start to December is coming to frution this weekend! Great pattern over the next few weeks!

If you like rain, sure

[Quakertown needs snow]

Cool pic Steve.

*December so far:

Cold In,

Cold Out,

Storm In,

Storm Out,

Cold In,

?

*Not applicable for Ray Martin

[famartin]

Cool pic Steve.

*December so far:

Cold In,

Cold Out,

Storm In,

Storm Out,

Cold In,

?

*Not applicable for Ray Martin

Actually there was a "Storm in, storm out" at the very beginning too

Yeah for me its more like

" a little rain, a little snow, relatively mild (compared to the second half of November at least!) "

[phlwx]

This is a lot like 08-09 so far...except it had a couple of mini torches thrown in for kicks.

[ChescoWx]

Yep...in my backyard , but a potential major storm for many that missed snowlove last year. Should be an interesting run up to new yrs!

If you like rain, sure ;

[RUNNAWAYICEBERG]

been under an onslaught of flurries the past two days...had to make extra hot cocoa. currently quite cold somewhere in middlesex county, nj!

[Voyager]

Yep...in my backyard , but a potential major storm for many that missed snowlove last year. Should be an interesting run up to new yrs!

There's quite a few here in PA who missed the snowlove last year as well.

[Thunder Road]

was stuck at 33° for several hours, now down to 32.1° in the last 30 mins. The clouds must finally be clearing out...

[jwilson]

Pretty standard moderate to strong La Nina winter so far. Cold and dry, then warm and wet, and the cycle continues. Unless the pacific really improves and/or we phase out of this La Nina into a more neutral state, I think you can look to the few winters prior to last year for guidance. The difference this year, at least leading up to New Year's, may be the -NAO and -AO establishing themselves. I'm not sure how those states existed in 06-09, but I think the pacific setup is equally as poor. I don't know how helpful a -AO and -NAO are in La Nina winters like this.

[Thunder Road]

I don't know how helpful a -AO and -NAO are in La Nina winters like this.

It's in the 30s, not the 60s. That's how helpful it is.

[famartin]

2008-09 featured a nice December around here...four separate snowfalls of at least 1 inch, 13.0" for the month, and 11 days when the ground was well covered with snow...saw 6.7" from December 19 -20th.

Not around Philly. Just one such snowfall at my parents near TTN...

[famartin]

It's in the 30s, not the 60s. That's how helpful it is.

Well, I don't recall what the AO and NAO were during these periods, but just for comparison:

Early December 2007 at TTN:

2007-12-01   36*    28*      0*      0*  
2007-12-02   35*    23*   0.56*    0.7*  
2007-12-03   48*    34*   0.22*      0*  
2007-12-04   36*    26*      T*      T*  
2007-12-05   32*    22*   0.07*    0.8*  
2007-12-06   33*    17*      0*      0*  
2007-12-07   35*    18*   0.02*      T*  

Early December 2008 at TTN:

2008-12-01   57*    40*   0.04*      0*  
2008-12-02   45*    29*      0*      0*  
2008-12-03   43*    26*      0*      0*  
2008-12-04   52*    30*   0.02*      0*  
2008-12-05   41*    26*      0*      0*  
2008-12-06   35*    21*   0.04*    0.7*  
2008-12-07   36*    21*      T*      T*  

Early December 2010 at TTN:

2010-12-01   64*    36*   1.56*      0*  
2010-12-02   42*    31*      0*      0*  
2010-12-03   42*    32*      0*      0*  
2010-12-04   40*    30*      0*      0*  
2010-12-05   36*    29*      0*      0*  
2010-12-06   36*    30*      0*      0*  
2010-12-07   37*    30*      0*      0*  

I don't see much difference....

[Thunder Road]

Well, I don't recall what the AO and NAO were during these periods, but just for comparison:

Early December 2007 at TTN:

2007-12-01   36*    28*      0*      0*  
2007-12-02   35*    23*   0.56*    0.7*  
2007-12-03   48*    34*   0.22*      0*  
2007-12-04   36*    26*      T*      T*  
2007-12-05   32*    22*   0.07*    0.8*  
2007-12-06   33*    17*      0*      0*  
2007-12-07   35*    18*   0.02*      T*  

Early December 2008 at TTN:

2008-12-01   57*    40*   0.04*      0*  
2008-12-02   45*    29*      0*      0*  
2008-12-03   43*    26*      0*      0*  
2008-12-04   52*    30*   0.02*      0*  
2008-12-05   41*    26*      0*      0*  
2008-12-06   35*    21*   0.04*    0.7*  
2008-12-07   36*    21*      T*      T*  

Early December 2010 at TTN:

2010-12-01   64*    36*   1.56*      0*  
2010-12-02   42*    31*      0*      0*  
2010-12-03   42*    32*      0*      0*  
2010-12-04   40*    30*      0*      0*  
2010-12-05   36*    29*      0*      0*  
2010-12-06   36*    30*      0*      0*  
2010-12-07   37*    30*      0*      0*  

I don't see much difference....

Interesting. I assumed that without a -NAO, the SE ridge would be in control. But it appears 12/07 was a +NAO. How did the rest of the month end up?

[famartin]

Interesting. I assumed that without a -NAO, the SE ridge would be in control. But it appears 12/07 was a +NAO. How did the rest of the month end up?

2007-12-01   36*    28*      0*      0*  
2007-12-02   35*    23*   0.56*    0.7*  
2007-12-03   48*    34*   0.22*      0*  
2007-12-04   36*    26*      T*      T*  
2007-12-05   32*    22*   0.07*    0.8*  
2007-12-06   33*    17*      0*      0*  
2007-12-07   35*    18*   0.02*      T*  
2007-12-08   48*    29*   0.11*      T*  
2007-12-09   38*    32*   0.24*      T*  
2007-12-10   43*    36*   0.10*      T*  
2007-12-11   48*    36*   0.02*      0*  
2007-12-12   54*    32*   0.01*      0*  
2007-12-13   35*    30*   0.62*    0.3*  
2007-12-14   43*    29*      0*      0*  
2007-12-15   34*    28*      T*      T*  
2007-12-16   41*    32*   1.04*      T*  
2007-12-17   35*    28*      0*      0*  
2007-12-18   39*    25*      0*      0*  
2007-12-19   48*    28*      T*      0*  
2007-12-20   46*    31*      0*      0*  
2007-12-21   39*    32*   0.01*      T*  
2007-12-22   40*    35*      T*      T*  
2007-12-23   62*    40*   0.78*      0*  
2007-12-24   48*    33*      0*      0*  
2007-12-25   46*    28*      0*      0*  
2007-12-26   37*    25*   0.21*      T*  
2007-12-27   44*    36*      T*      0*  
2007-12-28   48*    29*   0.13*      0*  
2007-12-29   51*    37*   0.40*      0*  
2007-12-30   42*    30*   0.19*      0*  
2007-12-31   44*    30*   0.27*      0*  

AVG/TOT    42.2   29.6    5.00     1.8   


 TEMPERATURE DATA         PRECIPITATION DATA   
AVERAGE MONTHLY: 35.9   TOTAL FOR MONTH:    5.00
HIGHEST:           62   GREATEST DAILY:     1.04
LOWEST:            17   GREATEST 2-DAY:     1.04

    SNOWFALL DATA      
TOTAL FOR MONTH:     1.8
GREATEST DAILY:      0.8
GREATEST 2-DAY:      0.8


NUMBER OF DAYS WITH

MAX 32 OR BELOW:    1   TRACE PRECIP OR MORE: 23
MAX 90 OR ABOVE:    0   0.10" PRECIP OR MORE: 13
MIN 32 OR BELOW:   23   0.50" PRECIP OR MORE:  4
MIN  0 OR BELOW:    0   1.00" PRECIP OR MORE:  1

TRACE SNOW OR MORE:   13
1.0" SNOW OR MORE:    0
5.0" SNOW OR MORE:    0
10.0" SNOW OR MORE:    0

That's right about the unofficial 1971-2000 average for TTN, temp-wise. Precip was above normal, snowfall below normal.

[RutgersWx92]

I'd rather just have it be warm than cold. It's becoming pretty obvious that we're not going to get snow anytime soon and I'm already getting tired of the cold winds. Give me back my 60s please.

Ugh, no way. We have the other nine months of the year for warmth, let the three months of winter be cold. Obviously it's much better with snow, but I'd still much rather have it nice and cold outside in winter like it's supposed to be. 60's in the winter is just depressing.

[phlwx]

2008-09 featured a nice December around here...four separate snowfalls of at least 1 inch, 13.0" for the month, and 11 days when the ground was well covered with snow...saw 6.7" from December 19 -20th.

Yeah you guys did better on the 12/19-20 event in '08 than we did...IIRC it was ice to rain or something like that around here. Philly ended up with a T from that storm....lots of T events during the month.

http://www.weather.gov/climate/getclimate.php?date=&wfo=mpx&sid=phl&pil=CF6&recent=&specdate=2008-12-31+11:11:11

[Voyager]

Ugh, no way. We have the other nine months of the year for warmth, let the three months of winter be cold. Obviously it's much better with snow, but I'd still much rather have it nice and cold outside in winter like it's supposed to be. 60's in the winter is just depressing.

Um, no. Wasted cold is depressing, especially if it comes with warm Lake Cutters in between. I'm not a fan of cold weather, but it's easier to deal with if there are SNOW THREATS to track.

[Quakertown needs snow]

Um, no. Wasted cold is depressing, especially if it comes with warm Lake Cutters in between. I'm not a fan of cold weather, but it's easier to deal with if there are SNOW THREATS to track.

there are always snow threats on the models 10+ days out .

i agree... very cold with brown is very depressing.

lets hope we can squeeze out a little backlash with this coming storm.

20.5f at 6:30am.

[LocoAko]

Reached 26F this morning, coldest temperature for the month so far.