TalcottWx Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 What sucks for today is were just not going to get enough breaks in the clouds to generate some decent sfc heating, that's all we really needed was some sfc heating b/c the marine layer would have easily been weakened here in northern CT. While the storms will become more elevated in nature as they work eastward still a chance for a few severe gusts with such strong winds aloft. Storms could still rotate some as well enhancing the threat for some of these winds to be drawn down. Despite the marine layer winds are still fairly gusty here and that's w/o the aid of convection. I think it already is elevated wiz... that is an elevated looking radar if i have ever seen one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 I think it already is elevated wiz... that is an elevated looking radar if i have ever seen one what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 what? Sorry- mobile. That stuff in ny looks elevated already is what im trying to say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Sorry- mobile. That stuff in ny looks elevated already is what im trying to say... Well I don't think it's quite elevated just yet, SB Li values are still around -2C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 They will be becoming elevated fairly soon though, airmass quickly becomes more stable as you move through SE NY and into CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Yeah I mean I get pulled into almost every local weather situation, but seriously, this seems so ridiculously trivial after yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Honestly all weather in New England seems trivial in comparison right now. 12" of snow? Who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Well I don't think it's quite elevated just yet, SB Li values are still around -2C. Sort of a question here... i know LI is 50mb agl related to parcel and temp etc etc.. couldnt the LI be sort of due to the temp diff in the front rather then srfce based instability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiator Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 A few hours ago there were two cracks of thunder in rapid succession, and then nothing. The radar echoes dissapated as they approached this section of Fairfield County. My ligntning detector is strangely inactive given the furious-looking radar plot rumbling through NJ and Westchester right now. Maybe it's my detector, or maybe the storms are not as intense as the radar might imply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 NYC thread... what a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Honestly all weather in New England seems trivial in comparison right now. 12" of snow? Who cares In this area...12" of snow....no contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 In this area...12" of snow....no contest. My point is, compare anything that happens in New England to yesterday's outbreak. No contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Sort of a question here... i know LI is 50mb agl related to parcel and temp etc etc.. couldnt the LI be sort of due to the temp diff in the front rather then srfce based instability? Well the Lifted Index is basically taking the temperature difference of a parcel of air lifted adiabatically and the temperature of the environment at a given pressure height. I think the 500mb level is usually used the temp difference of the front really has nothing to do with the SB LI number. Basically the greater the difference between the sfc temp (or temp of the PBL) and 500mb temp the lower the LI will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 My point is, compare anything that happens in New England to yesterday's outbreak. No contest. Anything within the past few decades, sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 My point is, compare anything that happens in New England to yesterday's outbreak. No contest. meh, the same thing can be said about our winter storms...there are parts of the country that get much more snow than we do here and get hit harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 meh, the same thing can be said about our winter storms...there are parts of the country that get much more snow than we do here and get hit harder. Death toll in the blizz of '78 was likely higher than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Sort of a question here... i know LI is 50mb agl related to parcel and temp etc etc.. couldnt the LI be sort of due to the temp diff in the front rather then srfce based instability? You can have a (-) LI and still be very stable at the surface. In this case, you have elevated instability...likely due to a warm tongue aloft, and air rising from the level. http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints/54/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 meh, the same thing can be said about our winter storms...there are parts of the country that get much more snow than we do here and get hit harder. That's what I just said. Snowstorms, severe weather, anything. It's so meaningless in New England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 meh, the same thing can be said about our winter storms...there are parts of the country that get much more snow than we do here and get hit harder. There is no comparison between our area, history, people, cities, and sports though. Sne is the best urban snow area in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 As soon as I made that comment, Ray jumps in defense of NE snow storms and Wiz jumps in defense of NE severe weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 As soon as I made that comment, Ray jumps in defense of NE snow storms and Wiz jumps in defense of NE severe weather Well, I agreed that nothing over the course of the past few decades would match this in terms of significance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 There is no comparison between our area, history, people, cities, and sports though. Sne is the best urban snow area in the country. Over 200 people lost their lives yesterday in the southeast. But good thing we have sports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 You can have a (-) LI and still be very stable at the surface. In this case, you have elevated instability...likely due to a warm tongue aloft, and air rising from the level. http://www.theweathe...m/habyhints/54/ Yeah the LI value can sometimes not be a solid indicator of how unstable/stable the sfc is. In today's case down across NW NJ/SE NY the LI value is right around -2C but there is meager sfc based instability (probably just enough to where it has kept these storms sfc based) but once they get to the CT border they will quickly become elevated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnno Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 NYC thread... what a disaster. haha just took a look, that noreaster guy is a hoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Over 200 people lost their lives yesterday in the southeast. But good thing we have sports Oh, give the drama a rest.....he's talking in general....not underplaying what took place yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Over 200 people lost their lives yesterday in the southeast. But good thing we have sports I said snow not severe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Death toll in the blizz of '78 was likely higher than this. LOL..What? this was the worst tor outbreak in US history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 28, 2011 Author Share Posted April 28, 2011 Over 200 people lost their lives yesterday in the southeast. But good thing we have sports What we've seen occur this month and especially the past few days we may not see again for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 Misting as i go over the tobin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 LOL..What? this was the worst tor outbreak in US history Death toll in Blizz of '78 was probably comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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