OceanStWx Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Yeah, I just found the warning. I think it was on the CBS morning show (that's on at like 3-4 AM) that I saw the report and the reporter said "and they had no warning" As did the latest CNN interview I saw. Leading them into the answer by asking if they heard, "any alarms before the tornado hit." I appreciate the hell on Earth they just went through, but Ringgold, GA was struck hours into the event. I don't understand how this could take people by surprise, to the point that they were outside when the tornado hit and they only ran inside when they saw a neighbor's roof come off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Paraphrasing a FEMA administrator in Tuscaloosa, they haven't even gotten to the damage in northern Alabama yet (i.e. Hackleburg, Phil Campbell, Decatur, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sojitodd Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 As did the latest CNN interview I saw. Leading them into the answer by asking if they heard, "any alarms before the tornado hit." I appreciate the hell on Earth they just went through, but Ringgold, GA was struck hours into the event. I don't understand how this could take people by surprise, to the point that they were outside when the tornado hit and they only ran inside when they saw a neighbor's roof come off. well I can understand why it would be a surprise. Many people just were not paying attention to the weather..at all..despite the warnings and everything. That is just the way it is with people and severe weather. I would like to see a very thorough study done of the fatalties and serious injuries in this outbreak, to find out just what the individual circumstances were that led to each situation turning out the way it did. I think much could be learned from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderon Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I like how BMX has a status update chart on the damage surveys in their CWA. Of note that Tuscaloosa and JeffCo will take several days. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/bmx/?n=event_04272011_surveystatus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 well I can understand why it would be a surprise. Many people just were not paying attention to the weather..at all..despite the warnings and everything. That is just the way it is with people and severe weather. I would like to see a very thorough study done of the fatalties and serious injuries in this outbreak, to find out just what the individual circumstances were that led to each situation turning out the way it did. I think much could be learned from that. I'm sure there will probably be an assessment done since this was such a loss of life. I believe you mentioned the tornado in Andover earlier and the people that fled the Mobile Home Park before the tornado hit as an example. People also fled during the Picher, OK tornado a few years ago. Approximately 75-125 cars left Picher between the time the sirens sounded and 10 minutes later when impact happened. The full assessment is here including individual actions on what people did: http://www.weather.gov/os/assessments/pdfs/mothers_day09.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sojitodd Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I'm sure there will probably be an assessment done since this was such a loss of life. I believe you mentioned the tornado in Andover earlier and the people that fled the Mobile Home Park before the tornado hit as an example. People also fled during the Picher, OK tornado a few years ago. Approximately 75-125 cars left Picher between the time the sirens sounded and 10 minutes later when impact happened. The full assessment is here including individual actions on what people did: http://www.weather.g...thers_day09.pdf well not to go back to the other topic...but we really do need to know just how many people did die 'hunkering down' etc. We need to know the circumstances of each fatality to see what went wrong-was it a bad choice, lack of information, complacency, just plain bad luck, etc-there has to be a very detailed and thorough assessment so things can be learned from this tragedy and corrections or modifications, if applicable, can be implemented. We really do need to know why so many died- if it was just very strong tornadoes and populated areas and that was it/nothing else could be done, or if there is more to it than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Can't wait to see this outbreak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harlequin Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 EF4 confirmed in Monroe County, MS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFusion70 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 It's people like you, who have ZERO common sense, and state that liberty is more important than safety, that make these sorts of laws necessary. Why don't we go ahead and give you the option to not have a seat belt in your car, use lead gas again, liven in a house with NO building codes because you don't want someone to tell you how to live and let you carry a firearm with no safetyThen, when you get in a car wreck and fly through your window, get lead poisoning, your house collapses on you, or your kid kills himself with your gun, you can say your liberty killed you, and that you died for it. As for me, I would just call you stupid. well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tornado Girl Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 60% still means you're more likely to survive than not, sheltering in place. While getting in the car still doesn't guarantee you escape the tornado and brings into the equation traffic accidents, etc. There is too much room for error if you advocate people taking their lives into their own hands on the road. I agree, The only place of relative safety is being underground. When you're dealing with EF4+. In the deep south many people don't have basements and so they have to take their chances in their home as far away from the outside walls as possible. The decision to try and drive away from a tornado is a very personal one. Several people died in Picher, OK when they drove out of town trying to get away from the tornado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I agree, The only place of relative safety is being underground. When you're dealing with EF4+. In the deep south many people don't have basements and so they have to take their chances in their home as far away from the outside walls as possible. The decision to try and drive away from a tornado is a very personal one. Several people died in Picher, OK when they drove out of town trying to get away from the tornado. I'd still rather race it in a house without a basement. Besides, the whole public is told to "stay home and hide" so you're not likely to hit a lot of traffic and probably make a quick escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
River Card Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Wow Godspeed to any and all who were affected by this great feat of God. Absoloutly horrific, words cannot express the shear devastation. Amazing the death toll isn't higher. This is making 1974 pale in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Smithville Src: http://www.wapt.com/r/27701487/detail.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natester Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC62TRfuJHY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack123 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Wow Godspeed to any and all who were affected by this great feat of God. Absoloutly horrific, words cannot express the shear devastation. Amazing the death toll isn't higher. This is making 1974 pale in comparison. I dont know about that but this will defenitely be in the top 10 deadliest tornado outbreaks of all time. Fatalities and injuries are probably close to the same as in the 1974 Superoutbreak. There will probably more tornadoes confirmed but I dont believe there will be as many violent tornadoes confirmed from this outbreak as in 1974. Hard to compare both because they were beyond devastating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack123 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Smithville Src: http://www.wapt.com/...487/detail.html Aerials look like what the Parkersburg tornado did in 2008. It is really hard to tell the difference because this tornado was rated high-end EF4 but the Parkersburg tornado was rated EF5. I also believe the Parkesburg/New Hartford tornado did more ground scouring, tree debarking, and sweeping homes even more clean from their foundations than this tornado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettjrob Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Limestone/Madison Co. tornado (W HSV area) rated EF-4 with upgrade to EF-5 possible: http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=HUN&issuedby=HUN&product=PNS&format=CI&version=2&glossary=0 Video of the wedge approaching I-65 near Athens/Tanner: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack123 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Smithville Src: http://www.wapt.com/...487/detail.html Here is some comparisons though not quite as widespread as what was in Parkersburg. http://www.crh.noaa.gov/image/dmx/ParkersburgSvcAssmntfinal.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderon Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 A very large tornado in Athens, AL (Limestone County), this is the same storm that has pretty much obliterated Tanner from survey reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_wx Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Limestone/Madison Co. tornado (W HSV area) rated EF-4 with upgrade to EF-5 possible: http://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=HUN&issuedby=HUN&product=PNS&format=CI&version=2&glossary=0 Video of the wedge approaching I-65 near Athens/Tanner: . IN THE COMMUNITY OF TANNER...THE INTENSITY WAS MAXIMIZED WITH A LARGE SWATH OF EF-4 DAMAGE AND A NARROW CORRIDOR OF HIGH END EF-4 TO NEAR EF-5 DAMAGE. ANOTHER SURVEY TEAM WILL BE ON THE GROUND IN MADISON TO FURTHER ASSESS THE DAMAGE ON FRIDAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Fatality list by county: http://ema.alabama.gov/filelibrary/PressRelease/NR_updated_storm_information_april28_2011_8pm.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderon Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 . IN THE COMMUNITY OF TANNER...THE INTENSITY WAS MAXIMIZED WITH A LARGE SWATH OF EF-4 DAMAGE AND A NARROW CORRIDOR OF HIGH END EF-4 TO NEAR EF-5 DAMAGE. ANOTHER SURVEY TEAM WILL BE ON THE GROUND IN MADISON TO FURTHER ASSESS THE DAMAGE ON FRIDAY. That poor town can't ever catch a break. A F5 and F4 the same day, now a probable EF5 takes em out, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 IIRC, some communities had power issues in AL because of the morning storms, and warned cells may not have been accompanied by sirens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack123 Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 The death toll has exceeded 300 according to CNN. ~305 fatalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rent Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Is the wiki entry for this outbreak accurate? Its hard to get a count on all the storms/tornados with no central repository for the surveys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharonA Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Is the wiki entry for this outbreak accurate? Its hard to get a count on all the storms/tornados with no central repository for the surveys. There is a thread here dedicated to the surveys .... I don't know about the Wiki page nor who is handling it. Many of the surveys are preliminary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rent Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I didn't want to muck that page up with my stupid question. This one has been derailed enough times I don't feel as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KokomoWX Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Radar montage of the destructive supercell which hit Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, & more... Source: Brian Tang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Radar montage of the destructive supercell which hit Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, & more... Wow-- really cool. Thanks for posting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAwxman Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Radar montage of the destructive supercell which hit Tuscaloosa, Birmingham, & more... Amazing image. Crazy to see how long the track of this thing was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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