tornadojay Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Little Rock forecast sounding... pretty impressive parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 The medium range guidance as of the last 2 days or so has been more suggestive of the potential for the leading day 4 wave to kick out and eject faster. The result is more amplification/deepening potential of the secondary wave day 5+. Euro suggested that yesterday and now the GFS is suggesting that potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 The medium range guidance as of the last 2 days or so has been more suggestive of thje potential for the leading day 4 wave to kick out and eject faster. The result is more amplification/deepening potential of the secondary wave day 5+. Euro suggested to yesterday and now the GFS is now suggesting that potential. Yep, the models have been hinting at this, overall a weaker Day 1 and stronger Day 2. It'll be interesting to see how this all evolves b/c the solns (well, the GFS one at least), as they are right now, point to WNW flow over the warm sector due to the geometry of the amplifying trough. I don't think I've ever seen that in an April setup (west of the Apps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Day 5 Euro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUmet Posted April 22, 2011 Author Share Posted April 22, 2011 The medium range guidance as of the last 2 days or so has been more suggestive of the potential for the leading day 4 wave to kick out and eject faster. The result is more amplification/deepening potential of the secondary wave day 5+. Euro suggested that yesterday and now the GFS is suggesting that potential. This is a dangerous scenario the models are suggesting, as this would probably result in a massive tornado outbreak on either/both April 26 or 27. At this point, still being 4-5 days out, this is one of the most impressive synoptic-scale setups for a tornado outbreak that I can remember in recent times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Dr. Greg Forbes Tue Apr 26. Severe thunderstorms and tornado outbreak in southeast MI, OH,east and south IN, OH, west and central PA, west and central NY, west MD, WV, southwest and north VA, DC, TN, KY, north GA, north half AL, north and central MS, north LA, northeast TX, AR, south MO, southeast and south-central KS, north and east OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Ohio looks pretty good for this next outbreak as it will not be linear by the time it gets here but actually fire up in our backyard. I'm startin to like this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Monday's setup looks pretty decent on the new GFS over the south half of Missouri and the southern third of Illinois. Already cleared my schedule for Monday, so I'll be heading south if things continue to look this good. GFS sounding near the St. Louis area late Monday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0228 AM CDT SAT APR 23 2011 VALID 251200Z - 261200Z ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM ERN PORTIONS OF THE SRN PLAINS EWD/NEWD INTO THE MID OH AND TN VALLEYS... ...SYNOPSIS... PROGRESS OF THE LARGE-SCALE UPPER TROUGH WILL SLOW OVER THE CENTRAL U.S. THIS PERIOD...AS ONE EMBEDDED SHORTER-WAVELENGTH TROUGH EJECTS NEWD ACROSS THE MO VALLEY INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST/UPPER GREAT LAKES AND A SECOND DIGS ESEWD OUT OF THE ERN PACIFIC AND INTO THE SRN ROCKIES BY THE END OF THE PERIOD. AT THE SURFACE...FRONTAL ZONE WHICH HAS PERSISTED FROM THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION WSWWD INTO THE SRN PLAINS WILL REMAIN THE FOCUS FOR SEVERE STORMS THIS PERIOD. HOWEVER...SOME NWD MOVEMENT OF THE FRONT IS FORECAST THROUGH THE END OF THE PERIOD AS A FRONTAL WAVE SHIFTS NEWD OUT OF THE SRN PLAINS AND INTO THE UPPER MIDWEST. ...ERN OK/NERN TX ENEWD ACROSS THE LOWER AND MID MS/TN/LOWER AND MID OH VALLEY REGION... RELATIVELY WIDESPREAD CONVECTION SHOULD BE ONGOING ACROSS MUCH OF THE AREA AT THE START OF THE PERIOD...AND SHOULD INCREASE/EXPAND THROUGH THE AFTERNOON AS AIRMASS DIURNALLY HEATS/DESTABILIZES. WITH MODERATELY STRONG/VEERING FLOW WITH HEIGHT FORECAST ATOP THE SURFACE WARM SECTOR...EXPECT ORGANIZED/SUPERCELL STORMS TO AGAIN BECOME MOST INTENSE THROUGH AFTERNOON AND EVENING -- SIMILAR TO PRIOR DAYS. ALONG WITH POTENTIAL FOR VERY LARGE HAIL...LOCALLY DAMAGING WINDS AND A COUPLE OF TORNADOES WILL AGAIN BE POSSIBLE. ATTM...THE FORECAST AMOUNT OF CONVECTION ONGOING THROUGH THE END OF DAY 2 AND INTO DAY 3 RESULTS IN UNCERTAINTY WITH RESPECT TO PRECISE LOCATION AND DEGREE OF MORE CONCENTRATED CONVECTIVE/SEVERE THREATS. HOWEVER...THREAT APPEARS SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH ACROSS THE ARKLATEX REGION TO WARRANT CONTINUATION OF PROBABILITIES REFLECTIVE OF A FAIRLY ACTIVE SEVERE THREAT. Sounds like they wanted to go Mod but too many question marks at this junction to go mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0350 AM CDT SAT APR 23 2011 VALID 261200Z - 011200Z ...DISCUSSION... SUBSTANTIAL SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL IS EXPECTED TO SHIFT SLOWLY EWD ACROSS THE ERN U.S. DAYS 4-6 /TUE. 4-26 THROUGH THU. 4-28/...AS A LARGE UPPER TROUGH PROGRESSES FROM THE CENTRAL U.S. DAY 4 ACROSS THE MS VALLEY DAY 5...AND THEN ON EWD THROUGH DAYS 6/7. MODEL DIFFERENCES WITH RESPECT TO TIMING OF THIS FEATURE BEGIN TO EMERGE DAY 5...BUT BECOME INCREASINGLY PRONOUNCED THROUGH DAYS 6 AND 7 AS THE TROUGH APPROACHES THE E COAST STATES/ERN ATLANTIC. THE PRIMARY SEVERE THREAT DAY 4 IS PROGGED FROM E TX NEWD ACROSS THE ARKLATEX INTO THE MID MS VALLEY...AS A SHORT-WAVE TROUGH DIGS ESEWD INTO THIS REGION...WITHIN THE LARGER-SCALE TROUGH. UNSTABLE AIRMASS COMBINED WITH THE ENERGETIC SHORT-WAVE FEATURE AND ASSOCIATED/STRONG FLOW FIELD SUGGESTS WIDESPREAD SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL -- INCLUDING RISKS FOR LARGE HAIL...DAMAGING WINDS...AND ISOLATED TORNADOES. THE THREAT SHOULD SHIFT E OF THE MS VALLEY INTO THE MID SOUTH/SOUTHEAST DAY 5...AS THE SHORT-WAVE FEATURE TAKES ON A NEUTRAL TO EVEN NEGATIVE TILT AS IT CROSSES THIS REGION. AGAIN -- AMPLY UNSTABLE AIRMASS COMBINED WITH THE STRENGTH OF THE UPPER SYSTEM AND ASSOCIATED FLOW FIELD SUGGESTS WIDESPREAD SEVERE WEATHER CAN BE EXPECTED...INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL FOR TORNADOES. AS MODELS BEGIN DIVERGING SOMEWHAT WITH RESPECT TO TIMING AND SMALLER-SCALE DETAILS...DEGREE OF THREAT SHIFTING ACROSS THE APPALACHIANS LATE DAY 5 AND INTO DAY 6 BECOMES LESS CERTAIN. WHILE SEVERE WEATHER WILL BE LIKELY WITH THE FRONT EXPECTED TO REACH THE ATLANTIC COAST BY THE END OF THE PERIOD...WILL REFRAIN FROM HIGHLIGHTING A THREAT AREA THIS FORECAST. WITH THE FRONT LIKELY OFFSHORE BY THE START OF DAY 7... SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL ACROSS THE U.S. APPEARS LESS WIDESPREAD/SIGNIFICANT AND MUCH MORE UNCERTAIN THROUGH THE END OF THE PERIOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Some 03 SREF images Sunday Monday Nothing particularly high yet but a persistent area over E OK/AR/MO region for right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimChgo9 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Forecast for us is "thunderstorms likely" for Monday and Tuesday, 70% chance both days, but the SPC doesn't have risk area near us, so I am assuming it's just going to be more heavy rain,. We cloud over on Sunday, and we look to stay that way for at least 3 days, going into Wednesday. The low looks to go right over N IL, or slightly south. It looks like some high pressure up in Canada is keeping this thing from moving farther north and putting us in the "cloudy/rainy" cycle through at least Wednesday. At least the temps will be a bit more pleasant, in the lower 60's. All the same, this weather is getting annoying, so far it's been 3-4 or more days of clouds and rain, a day or so of sun, and then back to the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 09z SREF already popping a 50 area in nrn MS at 00z Wed, 87h out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 12z gfs holy moly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 12z gfs holy moly Bloodbath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CUmet Posted April 23, 2011 Author Share Posted April 23, 2011 This has a legitimate shot at being the outbreak of the year, and this is not hyperbole by any means. At least the areal coverage of this event will be much larger than the April 15-16 event, and frankly all of the parameters are more impressive all across the board. There's still some time for some details to change, but the models have been amazingly consistent over the past several days in showing the same general synoptic solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Bloodbath. Outbreak of the century? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Outbreak of the century? I was thinking more like millennium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Yeah, hoping for more of a south trend with that system as I think the warm front will probably be just south of here on the 12z GFS. That's nasty looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAwxman Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Not that I need to repeat what some other great severe wx posters have already mentioned here, but the setup as shown by the GFS is as alarming as any I have seen on modeling in a long time. The LLJ is well out in front of the trailing cold front, and the upper level 500 mb jet punches squarely into the warm sector as opposed to staying near / parallel to the incoming cold front. The 250 mb jet structure is also ideal, as some areas are in both the right rear quad of the departing disturbance, and the left front quad of the stronger incoming one. Also, the GFS shows capping weakening by the evening over AR into western TN, which would spell trouble given storm mode could easily be supercellular / tornadic that far ahead of the front. Will be interesting to say the least to monitor future runs and see how this trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 09z SREF already popping a 50 area in nrn MS at 00z Wed, 87h out... Yeah that is amazing for SREF at 87 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beneficii Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Not that I need to repeat what some other great severe wx posters have already mentioned here, but the setup as shown by the GFS is as alarming as any I have seen on modeling in a long time. The LLJ is well out in front of the trailing cold front, and the upper level 500 mb jet punches squarely into the warm sector as opposed to staying near / parallel to the incoming cold front. The 250 mb jet structure is also ideal, as some areas are in both the right rear quad of the departing disturbance, and the left front quad of the stronger incoming one. Also, the GFS shows capping weakening by the evening over AR into western TN, which would spell trouble given storm mode could easily be supercellular / tornadic that far ahead of the front. Will be interesting to say the least to monitor future runs and see how this trends. On what evening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAwxman Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 On what evening? Oops. Forgot to mention the day... Was looking at Tuesday evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beneficii Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Oops. Forgot to mention the day... Was looking at Tuesday evening. Thank you. It looked to me like West Tennessee might be spared given the timing and the lack of precipitation on Tuesday evening on the 12z GFS, but it may be that there is convective precipitation that is not picked up by the model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherPimp Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Obviously one of the biggest questions is how far North does the warm front and low pressure make it on Tuesday and Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAwxman Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Thank you. It looked to me like West Tennessee might be spared given the timing and the lack of precipitation on Tuesday evening on the 12z GFS, but it may be that there is convective precipitation that is not picked up by the model. Yeah I tend to ignore where model QPF is and just focus more on where the parameters look strongest. Obvioulsly 78-84 hours out, much can change though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Not that I need to repeat what some other great severe wx posters have already mentioned here, but the setup as shown by the GFS is as alarming as any I have seen on modeling in a long time. The LLJ is well out in front of the trailing cold front, and the upper level 500 mb jet punches squarely into the warm sector as opposed to staying near / parallel to the incoming cold front. The 250 mb jet structure is also ideal, as some areas are in both the right rear quad of the departing disturbance, and the left front quad of the stronger incoming one. Also, the GFS shows capping weakening by the evening over AR into western TN, which would spell trouble given storm mode could easily be supercellular / tornadic that far ahead of the front. Will be interesting to say the least to monitor future runs and see how this trends. Euro Day 4 has a much more menacing look than the GFS as it ejects a much more E-W consolidated PV anomaly over the warm sector which would incite more vigorous lower tropospheric cyclogenesis than the GFS. The Euro is showing the potential for positive feedback as well as by day 5 the low is bent back much farther W than the GFS. Still too far out for details--but potential threats can be considered. It is worth mentioning the globals will also not be very indicative yet of feedback potential over a deep low troposphere exhibiting very low static stability/static instability. NAM/SREF/RGEM will catch that potential much better--similar to the 14th through the 17th outbreak (but mainly to the 14th when that intense anomaly ejected over the plains and the rapid tropospheric deep intensification that followed). Day5 850/SLP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macintosh Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Now, I'm looking at the track of the low on the 12z GFS. Looks like it passes just a tad north of STL. Where can we expect the highest tornado probability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherPimp Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 12z Euro is very ominous with a very large and broad warm sector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL_Militarypolice Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 Are there free Euro maps where I can view surface dew-points/temps? I went to Plymouth State Weather Page and went to contoured model maps, but I couldn't get it to view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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