SnowGoose69 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 What impacts did 1938 have for NYC vicinity? I don't think anything. I dont care about damage 80 miles east of me. The winds gusted into the 60s I believe in NYC. The problem with this storm is it tracked close enough to produce the dreaded E-SE wind which most trees in this area cannot withstand vs. a N-NE or NW wind. Most of the storms like Gloria, Bob, and the 1938 storm the track was far enough to the right that the NYC metro and even Nassau county predominantly had winds from the NNE to the NW, even if you got 50-60 mph winds. I told everyone going into the storm to expect a very windy rainy event with trees down and power out but generally winds would stay 55-60 mph or below. The only thing that surprised me was that the storm did actually track as far west as all the models had shown, that and the half a million outages on LI, I did not expect that either 55-60 mph winds, even with the ground saturated. One thing is for sure, if your tree survived this event its probably going to survive every wind event from here on out outside of a tornado or a true full blown hurricane with winds over 80 mph.As a result, LIPA and all other power companies will likely have an easy few years coming up with severe weather events, when I lived in Oklahoma we saw that following the big ice storm, that the ensuing events caused few outages because all the trees that couldnt take it got taken out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 that cherry by Africa is going to hit New England next, ala 1938. Hi Henry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Lets see. Tornado - Check Tropical System - Check Earthquake- Check Blizzard -Check NYC have seen everything. The Earthquake and the tropical system happened in the same week. Freaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 The winds gusted into the 60s I believe in NYC. The problem with this storm is it tracked close enough to produce the dreaded E-SE wind which most trees in this area cannot withstand vs. a N-NE or NW wind. Most of the storms like Gloria, Bob, and the 1938 storm the track was far enough to the right that the NYC metro and even Nassau county predominantly had winds from the NNE to the NW, even if you got 50-60 mph winds. I told everyone going into the storm to expect a very windy rainy event with trees down and power out but generally winds would stay 55-60 mph or below. The only thing that surprised me was that the storm did actually track as far west as all the models had shown, that and the half a million outages on LI, I did not expect that either 55-60 mph winds, even with the ground saturated. One thing is for sure, if your tree survived this event its probably going to survive every wind event from here on out outside of a tornado or a true full blown hurricane with winds over 80 mph.As a result, LIPA and all other power companies will likely have an easy few years coming up with severe weather events, when I lived in Oklahoma we saw that following the big ice storm, that the ensuing events caused few outages because all the trees that couldnt take it got taken out. We didn't lose any big trees in Westchester really, just small branches. I drove around the county earlier; lots of roads are closed due to stream flooding and branches down, but no major damage was evident with winds staying below 50mph for the majority of the area. We also lost a lot of trees in the Feb 2010 Snowicane and the March 2010 Nor'easter, so that probably weeded out the worst of the bunch as you mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Former NHC Director Max Mayfield As the East Coast cleans up, it can't afford to get too comfortable. Off the coast of Africa is a batch of clouds that computer models say will probably threaten the East Coast 10 days from now, Mayfield said. The hurricane center gave it a 40 percent chance of becoming a named storm over the next two days."Folks on the East Coast are going to get very nervous again," Mayfield said. http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/event/apArticle/id/D9PDEGLO2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k*** Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Lets see. Tornado - Check Tropical System - Check Earthquake- Check Blizzard -Check NYC have seen everything. The Earthquake and the tropical system happened in the same week. Freaky. Volcano? Sandstorm? Magnetic Disturbances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Former NHC Director Max Mayfield you getting scared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Volcano? Sandstorm? Magnetic Disturbances? No Kush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 the city got almost 6" of rain and 60mph winds in the 38 hurricane...Not to shabby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 18 people dead, so far $9 billion in damage, hundreds if not thousands of people left homeless either due to tornadoes, winds or flooding.. this storm was no joke. Of course not but as I said it was a Long Island/SE New Jersey storm. If a storm center of a tropical system passes almost right over my home, I am sorry I expect something a little more impressive than what I and everyone within 30 miles to my south and west experienced. The winds in the Snowicane, March 2010 and on December 26th were worse than this in my area. I have been through many a storm from Gloria, Bob, the perfect storm, December 1992, March 1993, the snowicane, January 1996 to March 2010 and December 26, 2010 and all were more impressive than Irene by a mile. Irene beat Floyd for me but that's it.Oh and people claiming the winds were so awesome are mentioning very localized areas. Sorry folks, EWR and TEB did not come close to what apparently took place at LGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Former NHC Director Max Mayfield http://www.duluthnew...e/id/D9PDEGLO2/ Taking a page out of a former Philly's sports radio hosts bet to a caller....I'd buy someone's family's groceries for a year if LI got hit twice in one season by a hurricane...especially in a season where the ATL pattern has overall been very unfavorable for a landfalling system in the lower 48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 What impacts did 1938 have for NYC vicinity? I dont care about damage 80 miles east of me. The eye of the 1938 hurricane came ashore at Patchogue, 48 miles to the east of Astoria, Queens...though I'm sure you don't care about getting the facts straight.... I don't think anything Lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooL Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Taking a page out of a former Philly's sports radio hosts bet to a caller....I'd buy someone's family's groceries for a year if LI got hit twice in one season by a hurricane...especially in a season where the ATL pattern has overall been very unfavorable for a landfalling system in the lower 48 i highly doubt it was a hurricane when Irene got up to NYC's latitude. A strong tropical storm yeah. That 91 mph gust was impressive tho. Overall from NC - LI the winds werent all that bad as they could have been. Also the eyewall basically vanished so the strongest winds were well away from the center. Maybe extratropical?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 the city got almost 6" of rain and 60mph winds in the 38 hurricane...Not to shabby... Ok. So Irene was very similar to hurricane of 1938 for the city. What do I care what it did 90 miles east of me and in New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Of course not but as I said it was a Long Island/SE New Jersey storm. If a storm center of a tropical system passes almost right over my home, I am sorry I expect something a little more impressive than what I and everyone within 30 miles to my south and west experienced. The winds in the Snowicane, March 2010 and on December 26th were worse than this in my area. I have been through many a storm from Gloria, Bob, the perfect storm, December 1992, March 1993, the snowicane, January 1996 to March 2010 and December 26, 2010 and all were more impressive than Irene by a mile. Irene beat Floyd for me but that's it.Oh and people claiming the winds were so awesome are mentioning very localized areas. Sorry folks, EWR and TEB did not come close to what apparently took place at LGA. JFK and LGA are part of NYC. Sure they are on LI but both stations had sustained winds of 45-55mph and gusts past 60mph. Find me another storm that did that in this area. March 2010 did it for southern Queens but not for northern Queens. Irene did it for the entire borough of Queens where millions of people live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 JFK and LGA are part of NYC. Sure they are on LI but both stations had sustained winds of 45-55mph and gusts past 60mph. Find me another storm that did that in this area. March 2010 did it for southern Queens but not for northern Queens. Irene did it for the entire borough of Queens where millions of people live. There are millions of people in Northern, Western and Central New Jersey too you know and what about Manhattan? The NJ shore areas, Long Island and Queens felt the punch but everywhere else did not. So what is your point then? Millions of people experienced those kind of conditions at LGA and JFK and millions of people didn't. It's a wash. I have spoken to a multitude of folks this morning in my office who are from the areas in Northern Queens you are referring to and they were up during those late hours and were thoroughly unimpressed and believed this storm was overhyped. They said March 2010 was way worse for them. Maybe March 2010 wasn't worse for you or people you know but it was for the people I spoke to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 There are millions of people in Northern, Western and Central New Jersey too you know. The shore areas felt the punch but everywhere else did not. So what is your point then? Millions of people experienced those kind of conditions at LGA and JFK and millions of people didn't. It's a wash. I have spoken to a multitude of folks this morning in my office who are from the areas in Northern Queens you are referring to and they were up during those late hours and were thoroughly unimpressed and believed this storm was overhyped. They said March 2010 was way worse for them. Maybe March 2010 wasn't worse for you or people you know but it was for the people I spoke to. Northern Queens saw 3" of rain from March 2010 and only winds to 35mph. I dont care what your friends thought they experienced with that storm. LGA never recorded winds higher then that and me, Sundog and several other northern Queens posters can confirm that there were no strong winds for March 2010 for all of northern Queens and most of northern Nassau/Suffolk county. Worst storm BY FAR for Queens was last September. The 125mph macroburst and the 2 separate confirmed tornado touchdowns. That was the worst storm ever for Queens and nothing will ever surpass that. Thousands of trees lost, wind damage to homes, cars destroyed, etc. That was a memorable storm for this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Northern Queens saw 3" of rain from March 2010 and only winds to 35mph. I dont care what your friends thought they experienced with that storm. LGA never recorded winds higher then that and me, Sundog and several other northern Queens posters can confirm that there were no strong winds for March 2010 for all of northern Queens and most of northern Nassau/Suffolk county. Worst storm BY FAR for Queens was last September. The 125mph macroburst and the 2 separate confirmed tornado touchdowns. That was the worst storm ever for Queens and nothing will ever surpass that. Thousands of trees lost, wind damage to homes, cars destroyed, etc. That was a memorable storm for this area. Fine maybe I am getting my storms confused. Obviously the macroburst was worse but we are comparing noreasters/hurricanes not T-Storms. The consensus here from my northern Queens co-workers is Irene falls short of several other storms including recent ones. You also keep dodging the point that I made about millions of people experience what you said they did from Irene and millions of people did not. So how do you rank impressiveness bssed on that considering the insane hype? As far as overall impact to the entire NJ, NYC Metro, Long Island area, Irene was nothing special for many folks. The impressiveness is subjective and is very localized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Fine maybe I am getting my storms confused. Obviously the macroburst was worse but we are comparing noreasters/hurricanes not T-Storms. The consensus here from my northern Queens co-workers is Irene falls short of several other storms including recent ones. You also keep dodging the point that I made about millions of people experience what you said they did from Irene and millions of people did not. So how do you rank impressiveness bssed on that considering the insane hype? As far as overall impact to the entire NJ, NYC Metro, Long Island area, Irene was nothing special for many folks. The impressiveness is subjective and is very localized. Irene was no comparison to last September. I think you and your friends confused March 2010 with September 2010. That event will never be surpassed in Queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Irene was no comparison to last September. I think you and your friends confused March 2010 with September 2010. That event will never be surpassed in Queens. Yup probably. Look I am not saying this storm was a dud, far from it, just not as impressive for some folks as it was for others. To me the king of all non-snow noreasters/tropical systems over the entire area in my lifetime (I'm 33) was December 1992. Stands alone and remains untouchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 So, I think we're close to the trifecta. Amazing winter--historic snows First hurricane landfall in NJ in half a trillion years All we need now is a good, old fashioned widespread severe weather event...one of those tremendous squall lines that's heading east and then turns south and slams everyone in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 So, I think we're close to the trifecta. Amazing winter--historic snows First hurricane landfall in NJ in half a trillion years All we need now is a good, old fashioned widespread severe weather event...one of those tremendous squall lines that's heading east and then turns south and slams everyone in the area. Well, for all those analoging 1989-1990 for the winter maybe we'll get another epic November squall line event, followed by snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Well, for all those analoging 1989-1990 for the winter maybe we'll get another epic November squall line event, followed by snow. It drives me nuts looking back through the SPC archives in the early 2000's...there were so many of those events with tremendous squall lines. It seems like we never really get them anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Nice Miller A on the DGEX http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/DGEXEAST_6z/dgexloop.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 So, I think we're close to the trifecta. Amazing winter--historic snows First hurricane landfall in NJ in half a trillion years All we need now is a good, old fashioned widespread severe weather event...one of those tremendous squall lines that's heading east and then turns south and slams everyone in the area. The past 2 years have been incredible -- record summer heat, 2 consecutive winters with historic snows, a post Christmas blizzard, an earthquake, Irene, and an excellent summer T-storm wise (at least for my area). I could personally go for another hurricane threat this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkviking Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Perfect post storm early autumn vacation day but it has that depressing post Christmas feeling after at least 10 days or so of excitement. Let's take the awesome weather this final week to summer season but ramp up another storm to follow..even if Irene was our tropical allotment for next 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Where did Irene make landfall in NJ? I thought it was near JFK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Where did Irene make landfall in NJ? I thought it was near JFK. I think it made landfall north of AC a couple hours before JFK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 I think it made landfall north of AC a couple hours before JFK. Egg Harbor I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Where did Irene make landfall in NJ? I thought it was near JFK. Little Egg Inlet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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