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Big differences between the NAM and GFS for our area. GFS is robust and brings the front through fairly fast- NAM hangs it back and everything falls about as it moves through Missouri. Leaving almost nothing by the time it gets here. NAM is much slower with the fronts movement.

I noticed that too. Until something supports the uber slow NAM then I'd chalk it up to the NAM being the NAM.

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THE SOUTHWEST CONUS TROUGH...AND ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM...WILL THEN PROGRESS EAST INTO THE CENTRAL GREAT LAKES BY LATE SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MONDAY...BRINGING ANOTHER ROUND OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. THIS WOULD BE OUR FIRST DECENT CHANCE AT SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY THIS SPRING GIVEN THE AIRMASS THAT LIFTS INTO THE AREA SUNDAY AFTERNOON/EVENING...BUT THE TIMING OF THE TROUGH PASSAGE EARLY MONDAY MORNING SHOULD MITIGATE THIS POTENTIAL AS IT WILL BE AT THE DIURNAL MINIMUM FOR INSTABILITY.

Dieing SEMI MCS anyone?

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Big differences between the NAM and GFS for our area. GFS is robust and brings the front through fairly fast- NAM hangs it back and everything falls about as it moves through Missouri. Leaving almost nothing by the time it gets here. NAM is much slower with the fronts movement.

Beau...I would imagine, even if these storms come through during the overnight or early morning hours they will likely still pack a punch. Must I bring up the line of storms that held its own all night across the south about a week ago? With the wind energy available (even more than the last one) storms will likely hold there own even with the unfavorable timing. I wouldn't focus on where the NAM is showing things convectively speaking. NAM sucks this far out in my opinion.

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A slower timing per NAM would work better for locations like here east of L. MI for Monday, otherwise we'll be hard pressed to see anything substantial if convection arrives during the early morning and the frontal passage commences early in the afternoon/late morning. I'm not buying the NAM one bit until we're closing in on the event WRT timing.

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Dieing SEMI MCS anyone?

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The sounding for the DVN area at 72hrs on the new GFS is pretty damn impressive too. Less directional shear compared to Saturday, but tremendous wind velocities through the column.

Just a quick check of some forecast soundings around central IL at 72 hours...looks like about 40 degrees of directional shear between the surface and 500 mb (mostly between the surface and 850 mb) with some decent speed shear. Is it good enough?

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Just a quick check of some forecast soundings around central IL at 72 hours...looks like about 40 degrees of directional shear between the surface and 500 mb (mostly between the surface and 850 mb) with some decent speed shear. Is it good enough?

The low-level shear has a nice turn to it, but sort of flattens out above 850mb. With such high momentum in the mid-levels, strong surface low to the northwest, and possibly some sort of a dryline type bulge I think it will get the job done. I would expect a strongly worded moderate when the new day3 arrives. :popcorn:

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The low-level shear has a nice turn to it, but sort of flattens out above 850mb. With such high momentum in the mid-levels, strong surface low to the northwest, and possibly some sort of a dryline type bulge I think it will get the job done. I would expect a strongly worded moderate when the new day3 arrives. :popcorn:

VV's look blotchy on the GFS through 0z Monday after which it intensifies and becomes more linear.

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The low-level shear has a nice turn to it, but sort of flattens out above 850mb. With such high momentum in the mid-levels, strong surface low to the northwest, and possibly some sort of a dryline type bulge I think it will get the job done. I would expect a strongly worded moderate when the new day3 arrives. :popcorn:

I dont know man, those are pretty rare lol but who knows. I would bet against it with the day 3 and guess a 30% hatched with mention of possible upgrade.

Im curious as how they handle the day 2.

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I dont know man, those are pretty rare lol but who knows. I would bet against it with the day 3 and guess a 30% hatched with mention of possible upgrade.

Im curious as how they handle the day 2.

Last day 3 moderate I remember around here was 10/18/07. It stayed moderate through the event. I'm not sure if they would bring it into my area yet though if they decide to go that route.

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I dont know man, those are pretty rare lol but who knows. I would bet against it with the day 3 and guess a 30% hatched with mention of possible upgrade.

Im curious as how they handle the day 2.

Yeah I think a very very strongly worded 30% hatched will be forthcoming for the day 3. The day 2 is tough, I could also see the same thing and that they roll the dice hoping the 12z runs clear things up a bit.

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I wouldn't call it linear as in convective mode-not right away. Can't really rely on the GFS with its significant parametrizations of sub-grid scale convection.

I'm not really relying on it, just commenting. But you can't tell me that the VV charts don't take on a more linear look between 00z-06z Monday.

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