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As noted EC is predicting a Taiwan miss. GFS ensemble is agreeing. JTWC, in factoring NO Gaps is making a mistake if southern hemisphere predictions over the past few years are any guide.

I'd be backing the former ensemble models (despite my idiotic rash of predictions of yesterday).

I'm with you. GFS ops, GFS EnKF, ECMWF ops, UKMet ops, and ECMWF ensemble tracks are all in extremely good agreement this morning. The hard part of the forecast is when does the shear between 20-25N abate and, if it does in time, will RI occur.

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Shear could well be an issue with an increasebetween 20…25 expected.

PS: NO Gaps has close to zero credibility in the eyes of Australian weather watchers... it has been so incredibly wrong over the past few years compared with EC, Access R and GFS (most rate the premier models in that order until it gets close to the coat and Access rules).

I don't think its the most popular model with a lot of people anywhere, but since it is a US Navy model, they seem to use it. IIRC, they even have a simplified version of the GFDL model that uses the Nogaps as the BC.

I was commenting on a weird looking 18Z Nogaps run in the Atlantic thread, a storm the Nogaps developed seemed to create its own weakness in the big 500 mb ridge that allowed the storm to head NW right into the ridge, a solution supported by none of the other globals.

I suspect the Navy doesn't have the budget to improve that model. It was probably one of the best back in the day, if I had to guess.

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Not really impressed with the structure of Meari at this point. While convectively active, there appears to be multiple centers, with no real well defined llc. Its gonna take a little bit of time for this thing to consolidate.

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On the other hand, I'm thinking they might upgrade Haima back to a tropical storm. Sure its a lopsided tropical cyclone, but there are plenty of banding features to warrant TS strength, as well as a formative eyewall on the latest WinSat pass.

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are there any verification scores showing that this access model is better than the GFS...it sounds bootleg to me

ACCESS-G is the new BoM global model, introduced Aug 17, 2010. I can't find more recent verification scores than Fall 2010, but, while better than the old GASP model, it's worse than the ECM, GFS, UKM, and even JMA. ACCESS-R sounds like a regional model, which if it's anything like the NAM or RGEM (and there's only so many way to configure a regional mesoscale model), it's most likely worthless for TC forecasting.

http://www.bom.gov.au/amm/docs/2010/wu2.pdf

http://www.bom.gov.au/amm/docs/2010/wu3_hres.pdf

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ACCESS-G is the new BoM global model, introduced Aug 17, 2010. I can't find more recent verification scores than Fall 2010, but, while better than the old GASP model, it's worse than the ECM, GFS, UKM, and even JMA. ACCESS-R sounds like a regional model, which if it's anything like the NAM or RGEM (and there's only so many way to configure a regional mesoscale model), it's most likely worthless for TC forecasting.

http://www.bom.gov.a...cs/2010/wu2.pdf

http://www.bom.gov.a...10/wu3_hres.pdf

ouch.

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latest for Haima

JMA: 40kt TS

JTWC: 30kt TD

what's with the disparity... imo, it does look better compared to yesterday, could be a TS to me, haha....

also, do you think the multiple LLCC will impact Meari's development...?? the storm looks so huge lol

Seeing some of the wind reports come across twitter, I'd guess Haima is a 40-45 kt (10-min) TS. Not that it makes that big of a difference in terms of sensible weather.

I think the multiple LLCCs will cause Meari to develop kinda slowly, but I'm not worried about the overall impact. If the shear relaxes north of Luzon by Friday, it should be plenty organized to go RI.

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I thought Meari would be better consolidated when I woke up this morning. It's still a broad storm with no well defined low level center. I backed off on my peak intensity forecast this morning. Still think it heads to the Yellow Sea on Sunday.

Haima is an annoying waste of time that will probably hang around through the weekend.

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I thought Meari would be better consolidated when I woke up this morning. It's still a broad storm with no well defined low level center. I backed off on my peak intensity forecast this morning. Still think it heads to the Yellow Sea on Sunday.

Haima is an annoying waste of time that will probably hang around through the weekend.

In the WPAC? I don't believe it. :D

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JTWC have dropped it altogether

They're just having website issues. Here is the 15z advisory:

SUBJ:  TROPICAL STORM 07W (MEARI) WARNING NR 008    
WTPN32 PGTW 231500    
1. TROPICAL STORM 07W (MEARI) WARNING NR 008    
  02 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONES IN NORTHWESTPAC
  MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
  WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
   ---
  WARNING POSITION:
  231200Z --- NEAR 18.0N 125.9E
    MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 315 DEGREES AT 12 KTS
    POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM
    POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
  PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
  MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 040 KT, GUSTS 050 KT
  WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
  RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 150 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           150 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           105 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           110 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  REPEAT POSIT: 18.0N 125.9E
   ---
  FORECASTS:
  12 HRS, VALID AT:
  240000Z --- 20.4N 124.9E
  MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 045 KT, GUSTS 055 KT
  WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
  RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 140 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           135 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           105 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           110 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 345 DEG/ 14 KTS
   ---
  24 HRS, VALID AT:
  241200Z --- 23.1N 124.0E
  MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT
  WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
  RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 155 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           150 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           125 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 350 DEG/ 15 KTS
   ---
  36 HRS, VALID AT:
  250000Z --- 26.0N 123.5E
  MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 060 KT, GUSTS 075 KT
  WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
  RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 155 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           150 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           130 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           135 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 360 DEG/ 14 KTS
   ---
  EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
  48 HRS, VALID AT:
  251200Z --- 28.9N 123.5E
  MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
  WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
  RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 020 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           020 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           020 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           020 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 155 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           155 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           140 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           140 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 010 DEG/ 16 KTS
   ---
  72 HRS, VALID AT:
  261200Z --- 35.1N 124.7E
  MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 040 KT, GUSTS 050 KT
  WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
  BECOMING EXTRATROPICAL
  RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 110 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
                           090 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
                           090 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
                           110 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
  VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 020 DEG/ 18 KTS
   ---
  LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
  NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM
  ON DAY 4 AND 350 NM ON DAY 5... AND FOR INTENSITY
  NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY.
   ---
  96 HRS, VALID AT:
  271200Z --- 41.8N 128.1E
  MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 020 KT, GUSTS 030 KT
  WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
  EXTRATROPICAL

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See, I can be a hater on chinacanes too :thumbsdown:

:D

From the JTWC's discussion:

THE LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION (LLCC) IS PARTIALLY EXPOSED AND ELONGATED. DURING THE PAST 12 HOURS CONVECTION HAS INTENSIFIED AND CONSOLIDATED CLOSER TO THE LLCC, YET THE SYSTEM CONTINUES TO HAVE AN EXPANSIVE, MONSOON DEPRESSION-LIKE SIGNATURE, WITH SMALL-SCALE VORTICES ROTATING AROUND AND THEN MERGING WITH THE LLCC. A 240054Z ASCAT PASS PROVIDES AN EXCELLENT DEPICTION OF THE BREADTH OF THE SYSTEM, AND THE 35 KNOT RADII HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED OUTWARDS YET AGAIN.

Sorry, but this baby is structurally challenged! :D

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From the JTWC's discussion:

THE LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION (LLCC) IS PARTIALLY EXPOSED AND ELONGATED. DURING THE PAST 12 HOURS CONVECTION HAS INTENSIFIED AND CONSOLIDATED CLOSER TO THE LLCC, YET THE SYSTEM CONTINUES TO HAVE AN EXPANSIVE, MONSOON DEPRESSION-LIKE SIGNATURE, WITH SMALL-SCALE VORTICES ROTATING AROUND AND THEN MERGING WITH THE LLCC. A 240054Z ASCAT PASS PROVIDES AN EXCELLENT DEPICTION OF THE BREADTH OF THE SYSTEM, AND THE 35 KNOT RADII HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED OUTWARDS YET AGAIN.

Sorry, but this baby is structurally challenged! :D

It'll probably reach typhoon status today as a poleward outflow channel develops... just in time to run into <26C water in the East China Sea tomorrow morning (EDT).

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Tornadoes occurred in Quezon City and Iloilo yesterday causing EF0-EF1 damage. The Quezon City tornado hit in a well built affluent subdivision. Meanwhile heavy rains caused by the enhanced monsoon flow SW of Meari is causing widespread flooding in Manila and much of Luzon-this BTW is the most common effect a TC has on the Philippines.

Steve

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Tornadoes occurred in Quezon City and Iloilo yesterday causing EF0-EF1 damage. The Quezon City tornado hit in a well built affluent subdivision. Meanwhile heavy rains caused by the enhanced monsoon flow SW of Meari is causing widespread flooding in Manila and much of Luzon-this BTW is the most common effect a TC has on the Philippines.

Steve

Good stuff. Thanks for posting, Steve.

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the area isn't really "affluent"..:lol: although, yeah seen the damage pics it looks like EF0, big trees and roofs.. the one in Iloilo seemed weaker; an infant said to have been thrown by the wind for a few metres but survived...

would've loved to see the radar images of those although PAGASA is not making them public...:(

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Danding Cojuangco's home was damaged by the tornado. Considering their financial status, any development where the Cojuangco's live is affluent by Philippine standards.

Steve

Unless one mentions Corazon Aquino's maiden name and lineage, the Cojuanco name won't mean much to most forum readers.

(UPDATE 4 - 8:20 p.m.) MANILA, Philippines - At least one person was hurt and five structures including the house of businessman Eduardo "Danding" Cojuangco, uncle of President Benigno Aquino III, were damaged after a so-called small tornado struck the New Manila area in Quezon City on Friday afternoon.

Power lines and trees were also downed, while roofs were ripped off and vehicles were damaged along Poinsettia, Hemady, Ilang-Ilang, and Betty Go-Belmonte streets due to the strong wind.

Cojuangco was not in his house when the "tornado" hit the area.

Meanwhile, another weather disturbance also believed to be a tornado destroyed 24 houses and damaged 25 others in Barangay Guintas, Barotac Nuevo town in Iloilo early Friday afternoon.

No one was reported hurt in the incident. Most of the children were in school while their parents were at work when the incident took place.

State weather forecasters are still determining whether the weather disturbance that battered structures in New Manila was indeed a tornado

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