phil882 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 The convective pattern is slowly getting better organized. The surface circulation is still not quite co-located with the deep convection, but it seems one band is trying to wrap into the circulation now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 JMA has upgraded to TS Songda. JTWC perdicting 115 kt cyclone by day 5... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstorm93 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Thankfully, not a huge threat to any land over the next couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 TS Songda up to 45kts this morning and looking much improved. Overnight models suggest a close call for Luzon as they are trending W with a Major cyclone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewweatherwatcher Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Eye maybe forming based on the microwave above and the curve of the convection around the warm spot seen above in the satellite IR photo. I'd say 60 knots and is very likely to go to 80-85 knots by 12-18 hour time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 JMA upgrades to Severe Tropical Storm Songda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewweatherwatcher Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 : WTPN31 PGTW 221500 MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC// SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING// RMKS/ 1. TROPICAL STORM 04W (SONGDA) WARNING NR 010 01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY --- WARNING POSITION: 221200Z --- NEAR 10.3N 135.9E MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 300 DEGREES AT 06 KTS POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION: MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 030 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 030 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 030 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 030 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 075 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 075 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT REPEAT POSIT: 10.3N 135.9E --- FORECASTS: 12 HRS, VALID AT: 230000Z --- 10.8N 134.6E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 095 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 085 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 085 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 095 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 285 DEG/ 08 KTS --- 24 HRS, VALID AT: 231200Z --- 11.2N 133.1E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 075 KT, GUSTS 090 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 050 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 050 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 110 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 100 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 100 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 110 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 290 DEG/ 07 KTS --- 36 HRS, VALID AT: 240000Z --- 11.7N 131.8E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 085 KT, GUSTS 105 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 030 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 030 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 030 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 030 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 055 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 055 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 055 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 120 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 110 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 110 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 120 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 290 DEG/ 07 KTS --- EXTENDED OUTLOOK: 48 HRS, VALID AT: 241200Z --- 12.2N 130.5E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 095 KT, GUSTS 115 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 060 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 120 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 115 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 115 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 120 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 300 DEG/ 08 KTS --- 72 HRS, VALID AT: 251200Z --- 13.7N 127.7E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 105 KT, GUSTS 130 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 130 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 120 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 120 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 125 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 310 DEG/ 09 KTS --- LONG RANGE OUTLOOK: NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM ON DAY 4 AND 350 NM ON DAY 5... AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY. --- 96 HRS, VALID AT: 261200Z --- 15.9N 125.0E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 110 KT, GUSTS 135 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 325 DEG/ 09 KTS --- 120 HRS, VALID AT: 271200Z --- 18.9N 122.8E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 115 KT, GUSTS 140 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY --- REMARKS: 221500Z POSITION NEAR 10.4N 135.6E. TROPICAL STORM (TS) 04W (SONGDA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 190 NM NORTH- NORTHEAST OF PALAU, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 06 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 221200Z IS 17 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT 222100Z, 230300Z, 230900Z AND 231500Z.// NNNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Looking better but still needs a bit more consolidation to ramp up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Western simi circle ramping up. ADT suggests 65kts. Not sure we are there yet, but impressive none the less. Certainly getting that look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewweatherwatcher Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 WTPN31 PGTW 230300 MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC// SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING// RMKS/ 1. TROPICAL STORM 04W (SONGDA) WARNING NR 012 01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY --- WARNING POSITION: 230000Z --- NEAR 10.9N 133.9E MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 290 DEGREES AT 09 KTS POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION: MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 060 KT, GUSTS 075 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 090 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 075 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 075 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 090 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT REPEAT POSIT: 10.9N 133.9E --- FORECASTS: 12 HRS, VALID AT: 231200Z --- 11.5N 132.5E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 100 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 090 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 090 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 100 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 295 DEG/ 07 KTS --- 24 HRS, VALID AT: 240000Z --- 12.1N 131.1E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 075 KT, GUSTS 090 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 055 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 050 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 055 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 115 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 105 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 105 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 115 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 290 DEG/ 07 KTS --- 36 HRS, VALID AT: 241200Z --- 12.5N 129.8E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 085 KT, GUSTS 105 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 030 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 030 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 055 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 055 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 060 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 120 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 110 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 110 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 120 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 300 DEG/ 07 KTS --- EXTENDED OUTLOOK: 48 HRS, VALID AT: 250000Z --- 13.2N 128.5E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 095 KT, GUSTS 115 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 060 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 125 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 115 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 115 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 125 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 315 DEG/ 08 KTS --- 72 HRS, VALID AT: 260000Z --- 15.4N 126.0E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 105 KT, GUSTS 130 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 130 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT 120 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT 120 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 325 DEG/ 08 KTS --- LONG RANGE OUTLOOK: NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM ON DAY 4 AND 350 NM ON DAY 5... AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY. --- 96 HRS, VALID AT: 270000Z --- 18.1N 124.0E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 110 KT, GUSTS 135 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 350 DEG/ 09 KTS --- 120 HRS, VALID AT: 280000Z --- 21.8N 123.2E MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 115 KT, GUSTS 140 KT WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY --- REMARKS: 230300Z POSITION NEAR 11.1N 133.6E. TROPICAL STORM (TS) 04W (SONGDA), LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 200 NM NORTH-NORTHWEST OF PALAU, HAS TRACKED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 09 KNOTS OVER THE PAST SIX HOURS. MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 230000Z IS 21 FEET. NEXT WARNINGS AT 230900Z, 231500Z, 232100Z AND 240300Z.// NNNN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil882 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Meh... looked impressive for a bit, but now seems to be struggling again due to northwesterly shear. We need to see that anticyclone continue to build on top of it. It looks like it might be feeling the effects of a weak upper level trough currently. The gfs shows this feature fading away beyond 24 hours, but in the immediate future the storm might intensify slower than expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 If convection continues to build in the southern eyewall, Songda is going to blow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 The forecast I put out this morning missed all land, but it was really just a consensus forecast. There's not a lot of spread in the models, but small changes will have big impacts on the forecast. The intensity forecast is interesting. I took it to Cat 2 (1-min, S-S) by tomorrow, which might be aggressive, but I'm banking on eyewall formation to cause rapid intensification. I have Songda as a Cat 4 at peak intensity east of Luzon on Thursday morning, then weakening as it recurves and gets chewed up by the East Asian jet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'd think links to the most recent JTWC update, maybe cutting and pasting a single relevant paragraph with it, might be better than cutting and pasting the entire forecast and disco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 STS Songda This could end up being very bad for Japanese areas alreadyunder stress ( while undoubtedly not at its peak it will be over Sendai byMonday if models are correct… JTWC still gunning for 140knots and showing it likelystarting to head north) EC ensemble for Monday (Aussie) http://expert.weathe...053000_2218.gif Latest track also shows a swing. http://www.usno.navy...ings/wp0411.gif Good news is that it'll have a ways of cooler water to pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 JTWC is going to bust hard on their Day 5 intensity forecast, unless it basically stalls out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtk Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 JTWC seem convinced. http://www.usno.navy...ings/wp0411.gif GFS ensemble agrees http://expert.weathe...052706_2306.gif EC ensemble is however in your court http://expert.weathe...052900_2300.gif Computerised evidence or intellect? Which one does thelayperson believe (or is it like a patient diagnosing himself based on the webprior to seeing a doctor)? For TCs, I would certainly trust the EC ensemble over the GEFS (at least in its current configuration)....especially in terms of development/decay/intensity (track is a different story depending on the type/size/strength of the system). There is a GEFS implementation on the schedule which will include a resolution increase (as well as upgrade to the model physics we implemented last summer). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil882 Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 If convection continues to build in the southern eyewall, Songda is going to blow up. Perhaps, although looks may be deceiving. The eye feature is almost certainly a mid-level eye, since the low clouds suggest the center displaced a little further west than the mid-level eye. Some northwesterly shear is still impacting the system, so I don't see this rapidly intensifying in the next 24 hours. However, just by looking at water vapor, the trough appears to be falling apart, so it won't be long until upper level outflow becomes well established over the system. I do think the system is destined to be become a significant typhoon, just not immediately until the low and mid level centers become better vertically stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil882 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 In my opinion... microwave looks much better tonight (morning storm time) with the low and mid level centers more vertically stacked. CIMSS indicates shear has weakened over the system, and the beginning signs of a storm centered anticyclone are starting to form looking at the streamlines. In essence we should see a period of intensification the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 In my opinion... microwave looks much better tonight (morning storm time) with the low and mid level centers more vertically stacked. CIMSS indicates shear has weakened over the system, and the beginning signs of a storm centered anticyclone are starting to form looking at the streamlines. In essence we should see a period of intensification the next few days. Yep, good post, Phil. A legit microwave eye has formed this morning, so we should see a strong intensification rate today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 I basically made a no change short term forecast today. Models shifted east towards the track I drew yesterday - east of the Philippines and Taiwan. Peak intensity should be Thursday or Friday as a high end Cat 3 or low end Cat 4 (unless it goes through a prolonged period of RI). The forecast for Japan is interesting. All of the models are plowing the system north or north-northeast instead of a full recurve. That would be Japan at risk for a landfalling, transitioning cyclone. It'd be like a Maritimes landfall in the Atlantic, but could still do some damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I basically made a no change short term forecast today. Models shifted east towards the track I drew yesterday - east of the Philippines and Taiwan. Peak intensity should be Thursday or Friday as a high end Cat 3 or low end Cat 4 (unless it goes through a prolonged period of RI). The forecast for Japan is interesting. All of the models are plowing the system north or north-northeast instead of a full recurve. That would be Japan at risk for a landfalling, transitioning cyclone. It'd be like a Maritimes landfall in the Atlantic, but could still do some damage. Interesting. Does Japan ever get the really nice, pure-tropical type of cyclone-- or are they usually at least in the early stages of transition (i.e., widening wind field, weaker convection, etc.)? What is Japan equivalent to in the N Atlantic-- like the NC Outer Banks, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 What is Japan equivalent to in the N Atlantic-- like the NC Outer Banks, perhaps? Nova Scotia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 Pardon my well and truly established ignorancebut looking at mtsat west are we looking at a potential Fujiwara effect? Not sure I follow. What are you suggesting it will Fujiwhara with? Interesting. Does Japan ever get the really nice, pure-tropical type of cyclone-- or are they usually at least in the early stages of transition (i.e., widening wind field, weaker convection, etc.)? What is Japan equivalent to in the N Atlantic-- like the NC Outer Banks, perhaps? Japan is at 30-40N, so you might think it is similar to the Outer Banks and the Mid-Atlantic States, but the tropics extend farther north in the West Pac, due to both higher SSTs and the thermal equator being farther north due the elevated heat source of the Himalayas. I'd say Kyushu is probably closer to N FL (like north of FLL or FMY) and Honshu is more like SC/NC. Still, they're not going to get a pure tropical landfall in late May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 I'm the biggest jinx with this storm. Every time I think it is going to pop, shear increases and kills the eyewall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srain Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 I'm the biggest jinx with this storm. Every time I think it is going to pop, shear increases and kills the eyewall. Ha! If it hasn't been dry air, it's been shear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 As dumb as it sounds this is what I was getting at. Degrees of separation. It's been happening for some time. Two systems? Or when they get back together one very powerful one? That's part of a feeder band from Songda, there 's no low level circulation there. When two systems interact, they are not like Voltron and make a more powerful one once together, they are usually detrimental to each other (depends on size also), once one gets off the scene (by getting absorbed/shearing out/part ways), better conditions might arise, there might be some energy transfer, but if the surviving one strengthens it's mostly because it's not shearing out/competing with the other system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am19psu Posted May 24, 2011 Author Share Posted May 24, 2011 Let's see how I can screw this up... Warm spot showing up on IR now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Nova Scotia Tokyo is about 35º. Not Nova Scotia. Nagasaki is 33ºN. Excluding the Northern Islands, the SE US to Mid-Atlantic is a decent comparison of latitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmx Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Okinawa prefecture is like S FL latitude wise... they can realistically get a 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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