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April 1st-2nd Nor'Easter Potential


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I don't consider a 6 inch snowfall historic-- maybe in NYC with it's UHI. But not outside the urban areas.

There have only been seven April 6" storms in NYC's history and only one in the last 67 years.

6/6/1982 9.6"

4/5/1944 6.5"

4/6-7/1938 6.4"

4/1/1924 8.5"

4/8-9/1917 6.5"

4/3-4/1915 10.2"

4/12-14/1875 10.0"

I would say 6" would be fairly historic.

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There have only been seven April 6" storms in NYC's history and only one in the last 67 years.

6/6/1982 9.6"

4/5/1944 6.5"

4/6-7/1938 6.4"

4/1/1924 8.5"

4/8-9/1917 6.5"

4/3-4/1915 10.2"

4/12-14/1875 10.0"

I would say 6" would be fairly historic.

Yeah... the last one in NYC was 4/1982-- but here on Long Island, we also got 8" in 4/2003 and 6" in 4/1996 (with Upton getting 13" in that one.)

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Although NAM might not be there yet, I definitely notice some encouraging signs. The energy seems to dig more and the hgts along the EC seem to respond. The trough although it still might remain open to long, seems to be heading in the right direction. If we get the more negative tilt, the energy can come up the coast.

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upton

WEAK UPPER LEVEL RIDGE MOVES INTO THE REGION ON

WEDNESDAY...ALLOWING THICKNESSES TO INCREASE SLIGHTLY...AND THUS

SLIGHTLY WARMER TEMPS IN SOME SPOTS. TEMPS ARE STILL WELL BELOW

NORMAL FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR.

LOW PRESSURE OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN STATES WILL TREK EAST...THEN

NORTHEAST...PUSHING OFF THE MID-ATLANTIC COAST BY THURSDAY

MORNING. LIGHT PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED WITH WARM AIR ADVECTION

OUT AHEAD OF THIS SYSTEM WEDNESDAY NIGHT INTO THURSDAY MORNING.

ONLY WENT WITH CHANCE TO SLIGHT CHANCE POPS AS MAIN AREA OF LIFT

HEADS OUT TO SEA...ALONG WITH THE SURFACE LOW. AS FAR AS PRECIP

TYPE...WENT WITH SNOW INLAND...AND RAIN AT THE COAST. LITTLE...IF

ANY PRECIP EXPECTED WITH THIS STORM.

H3 JET ENCIRCLING ABOUT 2/3 OF THE GLOBE AROUND 30N AND EXTENDING

ACROSS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE NRN PACIFIC...WILL DIG INTO THE SERN

CONUS AND ATTEMPT TO SPAWN A SIGNIFICANT STORM FOR THE END OF THE

WEEK.

12Z MODELS ARE BEGINNING TO CONVERGE ON A CONSENSUS...DEVELOPING

DEEP LOW PRES SOMEWHERE S OF LI THU NIGHT AND TRACKING THE FEATURE

NEWD OVER THE ATLANTIC ON FRI. ALPS SHOWS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE

BETWEEN THE GFS ENSEMBLES AND THE SREF ENSEMBLES. GFS ENSEMBLES PROG

A MORE MERIDIONAL SOLN...WHILE THE SREF IS FLATTER. THE GFS ENSEMBLE

IS SUPPORTED BY THE OPERATIONAL GFS...ECMWF...GEM AND UKMET. THE

FCST IS THEREFORE BASED ON A DEEP LOW IMPACTING THE CWA THU NIGHT

AND FRI.

FROM THERE...THE FOCUS TURNS TO THE EXACT TRACK. RELATIVE TO MONTAUK

AT 12Z FRI...SOLNS RANGE FROM ABOUT 100 MILES S PER THE 12Z ECMWF TO

270 MILES SSE PER THE GEM. THE GFS IS 135 SE. THE CLOSER TO THE

COAST TRACK WILL BE MAINLY A RAIN STORM ACROSS THE CWA...WITH THE

ERN TRACKS A SIGNIFICANT SNOW EVENT. FOR NOW...FCST INDICATES MAINLY

RASN DUE TO UNCERTAINTY...WITH THE BEST POTENTIAL FOR ALL SNOW

ACROSS NWRN ZONES.

IN ADDITION TO THE PCPN...WIND WILL BE A SERIOUS ISSUE IF THE STORM

EVOLVES AS PROGGED. BL WINDS CRANK UP TO ABOUT 50KT. THIS WOULD

RESULT IN 60 MPH NE WIND GUSTS AHEAD OF THE LOW...BACKING TO THE NNW

AS THE LOW PASSES

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If you had to quantify it, what would you consider historic for early April-- let's say, a once in 10 year event? In that case, 6 inches may well be historic because (using my example) on the south shore of Long Island, I've seen 3 6 inch snowfalls in the past 30 years.

It's different for every location. And you could exactly calculate design storms like 10-year, 50- year, and 100-year wherever historical data is available.

Just off the top of head for 10-year storms, I'd say 2" at NYC, 4" for nearby suburbs out to, say, HPN and MMU, and 6" for more distant NW suburbs like FWN, SWF, DXR. Above 500ft is probably greater. I don't know LI climatology very well. I'd guess you've been a little lucky with April snowfalls but surely something that has happened only a few times in 30 years is pretty rare.

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it probably wont stick in that case.... I think it was March 2009, we had a snow squall when it was like upper 40s and low 50s-- even down to ACY.

March 1, 2008. That was incredible. Looking at records it appears the world record for warmest temperature recorded during a snowfall was actually 47 degrees at La Guardia Airport, but I don't think it was from that event, and it's possible some places even exceeded that temperature while snow was falling.

In other news: So glad to see agreement between the GFS, Euro, and GGEM on a big storm. :thumbsup: Even though we will probably lose a good amount of QPF to low ratios and rain/sleet at the start, if those model runs came to fruition we would probably have a pretty historic snowstorm for April standards. Probably NYC's biggest since 1982, and I consider any storm 6 inches or greater in April historic for NYC.

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Upton pointed out the wind threat with this storm-- having 60 mph + gusty winds is something we haven't seen in a noreaster since the Dec 26 storm-- if that happens with a very wet snow, it will be power outages galore.

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March 1, 2008. That was incredible. Looking at records it appears the world record for warmest temperature recorded during a snowfall was actually 47 degrees at La Guardia Airport, but I don't think it was from that event, and it's possible some places even exceeded that temperature while snow was falling.

In other news: So glad to see agreement between the GFS, Euro, and GGEM on a big storm. :thumbsup: Even though we will probably lose a good amount of QPF to low ratios and rain/sleet at the start, if those model runs came to fruition we would probably have a pretty historic snowstorm for April standards.

Wow-- I've always wanted to know that! Thanks! Where do you get records like that lol? I remember ACY was like 51 and Allentown was 47 when they were under a heavy snowshower that day.

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I'm extremely happy the heaviest QPF comes in between midnight and 9 am..... if this was during the day we'd have major boundary layer issues. We still need that further east track. Funny, if this was January, that western track would have been just fine-- ordinarily, a track 100 miles south of Montauk is actually really good for us.

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Hazardous Weather Outlook

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOKNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ353 PM EDT TUE MAR 29 2011DEZ001>004-MDZ008-012-015-019-020-NJZ001-007-008-PAZ054-055-060>062-302000-NEW CASTLE-KENT-INLAND SUSSEX-DELAWARE BEACHES-CECIL-KENT MD-QUEEN ANNES-TALBOT-CAROLINE-SUSSEX-WARREN-MORRIS-CARBON-MONROE-BERKS-LEHIGH-NORTHAMPTON-353 PM EDT TUE MAR 29 2011THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR CENTRAL DELAWARE...NORTHERNDELAWARE...SOUTHERN DELAWARE...NORTHEAST MARYLAND...NORTHERN NEWJERSEY...EAST CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA AND NORTHEAST PENNSYLVANIA..DAY ONE...THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT.NO HAZARDOUS WEATHER IS EXPECTED AT THIS TIME.THE CHANCES FOR A SIGNIFICANT WEATHER EVENT FROM A NOR`EASTER AREINCREASING FOR THURSDAY NIGHT AND FRIDAY. BECAUSE THE TEMPERATURESTRUCTURE THIS TIME OF YEAR CAN BE MARGINAL FOR SNOW, THE EXACTEFFECTS WILL BE DEPENDENT UPON THE EVENTUAL TRACK OF THE LOW AND THEPRECIPITATION INTENSITY. EAST OF THE SNOW AREA HEAVY RAIN ISPOSSIBLE AND WOULD CAUSE POOR DRAINAGE FLOODING AS WELL AS THEPOSSIBILITY OF STREAM AND SMALLER RIVER FLOODING. STRONG WINDS AREALSO POSSIBLE ALONG COASTAL AREAS.

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Yeah... the last one in NYC was 4/1982-- but here on Long Island, we also got 8" in 4/2003 and 6" in 4/1996 (with Upton getting 13" in that one.)

April Snowfalls in Monmouth County going back to 1990:

4/7/03: 6"

4/8-9/00: 2"

4/18/97: T

4/1/97: 4"

4/9-10/96: 8"

I'd put T-2" in the run of the mill category, 3-5" significant, and 6"+ major, and 8"+ historic.

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Ski resorts are loving this. Camelback in the Poconos still will be open this coming weekend. Must be some awesome late season conditions out there. After getting 18" last week, they may get hammered again Friday, making this the snowiest 2 week period of the winter for the Poconos.

http://www.skicamelback.com/

They got 18" last week? Wow, I thought 11 inches is what the Poconos got out of the storm where we got 2-3"

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They got 18" last week? Wow, I thought 11 inches is what the Poconos got out of the storm where we got 2-3"

Yeah, not sure what elevation they take their measurements, but the summit of the resort is almost 2200', one of the highest points in the Poconos.

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April Snowfalls in Monmouth County going back to 1990:

4/7/03: 6"

4/8-9/00: 2"

4/18/97: T

4/1/97: 4"

4/9-10/96: 8"

I'd put T-2" in the run of the mill category, 3-5" significant, and 6"+ major, and 8"+ historic.

Im wondering how much of the rarity of significant early April snowfalls in NYC is due to UHI. There was a really sharp gradient in 4/1996 and 4/2003 with all areas just outside of the city picking up much more snow.

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Wow-- I've always wanted to know that! Thanks! Where do you get records like that lol? I remember ACY was like 51 and Allentown was 47 when they were under a heavy snowshower that day.

To be honest I just searched on google lol, so I don't know how accurate it is. But it came up on multiple sources, including this one: http://www.stormforce31.com/?p=27 and this one: http://pages.slu.edu/org/weather/dec.pdf

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