Chicago WX Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Its a little different for me....winter gets an A+, no room for changes. So basically, whether we do piss away all this unseasonable cold, or simply add to the season snowfall total, its a moot point for my grade. But last night when I left a friends around 2am, i had a scarf and gloves on, it was crazy to think April is a few days away. This below. Hey, I'm going for a key milestone here. Being this close and in this pattern, if we can't muster an inch, the only option is to penalize. Don't get me wrong it was a great winter here...one that I would take every year if given the option. Alas the failure to hit 50" is a penalizing feature considering we're an inch away and being missed three times south in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Once we do get that 20+ snowstorm, you will then admit that it's better than snowcover, etc +100 Yet another winter without the "direct blow" ( 15-20+) I grade this winter a B. If it keeps cold throughout early April I will drop my grade to a B-. Winter should arrive and go on time. Yes I understand my Climo...It can still get cold throughout April! BTW I rated last Winter a Solid B+. Snow isnt everything for my grading. I loved how last year Winter just died during Mid March! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 +100 Yet another winter without the "direct blow" ( 15-20+) I grade this winter a B. If it keeps cold throughout early April I will drop my grade to a B-. Winter should arrive and go on time. Yes I understand my Climo...It can still get cold throughout April! BTW I rated last Winter a Solid B+. Snow isnt everything for my grading. I loved how last year Winter just died during Mid March! December was a C- we had one storm of 4-7" and bunch of 1" killers Janurary was an F up until the 12th then it was A- overall a B- Feburary was an A+ March was a B Overall: B+/B Best Storm "for me" GHD blizzard storm of 11.0" second was feb 20/21st storm of 9.6" season total of 73.0" about 19" (54") above average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Yeah, I think Josh is a little loose with his grading. If I lived in Detroit I'd be in A- territory right now. But this stuff is all subjective and he's a snowcover hound, so I sort of see where he's coming from. I agree, I'm sticking with my firm B+ grade. If I see an epic storm (unlikely) then I'll lift it up to a A-. If soemthing like what Saturday's 00z GFS showed happens (unlikely) or if we JUST miss an epic storm to the SE (plausbile) then it's getting downgraded immediately to a B-. Otherwise, no changes are in the offing. I can't forgive the December and January pattern though, and the surprise snowstorms and snowy February did save the day. Like I said, this season was a hybrid 2009-2010/2007-2008/2008-2009 (basically the best and worst of all the seasons merged into one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 This below. Don't get me wrong it was a great winter here...one that I would take every year if given the option. Alas the failure to hit 50" is a penalizing feature considering we're an inch away and being missed three times south in March. I *think* part of the problem some might be failing to understand or may not even know is well this IS one of the best winters HE has seen. Josh has never seen a BIG storm ( I think his biggest is Jan 05 super clipper and thus 12.5 or so? ) and none of the big records ( top 2 0or 3 ) seasonal records has fallen etc. Thus why too 6-10 or so IS a big storm to him. If you are more into snowcover it is no surprise that the winter to feature the most snowcover days in his lifetime would get a A. Plus they did have alot of nice surprises too and for him personally it was one of the snowiest of his lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I *think* part of the problem some might be failing to understand or may not even know is well this IS one of the best winters HE has seen. Josh has never seen a BIG storm ( I think his biggest is Jan 05 super clipper and thus 12.5 or so? ) and none of the big records ( top 2 0or 3 ) seasonal records has fallen etc. Thus why too 6-10 or so IS a big storm to him. If you are more into snowcover it is no surprise that the winter to feature the most snowcover days in his lifetime would get a A. Plus they did have alot of nice surprises too and for him personally it was one of the snowiest of his lifetime. Yeah I don't blame him for his grade for his backyard...everyone has their own criteria, which is cool. As for this storm, stick a fork in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Yeah I don't blame him for his grade for his backyard...everyone has their own criteria, which is cool. As for this storm, stick a fork in it. I hear you. I have done the same but got thinking about what was asked about criteria to get a A. And yeah another fail as far as the storm goes. Such a shame to waste this pattern away on boring. ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 28, 2011 Author Share Posted March 28, 2011 Yeah I don't blame him for his grade for his backyard...everyone has their own criteria, which is cool. As for this storm, stick a fork in it. Probably time to turn our attention to that next event around Friday. Hopefully that one won't fizzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 28, 2011 Author Share Posted March 28, 2011 My grade is based on all things considered. So is that a 20" storm and not much else? Or is it 20" storm in addition to everything else? Many on here claim all that matters is a big storm. Based on that, we could have a 24" storm and 5" more snow the rest of the winter (never would happen, Im just using as an example)...they would give winter an A, I would give it a D (though the storm Im sure would get an A+). This is our 5th winter of the past 9 to see 60+ inches of snow. Before the 2002-03 winter you had to go back to 1981-82 to see 60+. So needless to say, that is insane in itself. However, there were a few things about this winter that were not seen in the other 4 recent winters to exceed 60"+. ~Whitest winter since 1981-82. Never before had I seen a winter with snow on the ground as many days as I had seen this year. In fact, this winter beat the other superb winters of recent years by 1-2 weeks of snowcover, not to mention a LOT of those days were deep snow. As many know, snowcover is my biggest thing. For instance, say we had a crummy 25-30" winter with no big storms but bitterly cold and snowcovered the whole winter, Id give that winter probably a B/B- while I can guarentee EVERYONE else here would give it an F. On the flip side, a winter like 2001-02 which saw over 40" of snow but tons of warm air and snowcover never lasted longer than a week at a time, Id probably give a C at best, despite the fact that we had several good storms (worst snow+ice storm combo Ive ever seen) and the fact that MI was one of the few areas to not have a horrendous winter did not increase that grade either (Im one of the few who does not give bonus points or demerits to HIS winter because of what goes on elsewhere, I personally think thats silly, but to each his own). ~Surprises. Never ever have we come CLOSE to seeing as many surprise snowstorms as weve seen this winter. In a typical winter, if you would take the model qpf forecasts from 48 hours out, youd probably see predictions of twice as much snow as you received. This year I guarentee model qpf 48 hours out would give us less snow than we actually got. Even the smaller scale snows in January performed as expected or slightly better. Only the GHD storm underperformed. ~Thundersnow three different storms ~6th snowiest winter so far, including the 2nd snowiest feb/3rd snowiest month on record, and my snowiest month Ive seen, with 31.8" (this beats out my old personal best Jan 2005's 31.2") No, it's this winter with a 20" storm thrown in. I couldn't give something an A+ unless everything went right, but I understand that we all grade differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Probably time to turn our attention to that next event around Friday. Hopefully that one won't fizzle. I give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherPimp Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I give up. Me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Once we do get that 20+ snowstorm, you will then admit that it's better than snowcover, etc I dont even know what this is supposed to mean? So..you are saying that a 22-inch snowstorm with blizzard conditions and thundersnow would be better than waking up on a frigid January day with 6" of powder on the ground and the sun shining? Hmm...maybe I will have to rethink my thought process. No crap a snowstorm is better than snowcover. BUT I LIKE THE WHOLE SEASON OF WINTER. If we had some god-awful winter with like 15-20" of snow total and like 15-20 days with snow on the ground, but then were slammed with an 1886-esque 25" snowstorm in early April that paralyzed the region for 2 days but was melted within a week...that would NO DOUBT be my favorite STORM ever....but no way in hell does that ENTIRE WINTER SEASON'S GRADE jump ahead the insanely snowy winters weve seen recently because of an epic storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 +100 Yet another winter without the "direct blow" ( 15-20+) I grade this winter a B. If it keeps cold throughout early April I will drop my grade to a B-. Winter should arrive and go on time. Yes I understand my Climo...It can still get cold throughout April! BTW I rated last Winter a Solid B+. Snow isnt everything for my grading. I loved how last year Winter just died during Mid March! LOL...Id DEFINITELY venture a guess you are the only snow-lover in SE MI who graded 2009-10 higher than 2010-11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I dont even know what this is supposed to mean? So..you are saying that a 22-inch snowstorm with blizzard conditions and thundersnow would be better than waking up on a frigid January day with 6" of powder on the ground and the sun shining? Hmm...maybe I will have to rethink my thought process. No crap a snowstorm is better than snowcover. BUT I LIKE THE WHOLE SEASON OF WINTER. If we had some god-awful winter with like 15-20" of snow total and like 15-20 days with snow on the ground, but then were slammed with an 1886-esque 25" snowstorm in early April that paralyzed the region for 2 days but was melted within a week...that would NO DOUBT be my favorite STORM ever....but no way in hell does that ENTIRE WINTER SEASON'S GRADE jump ahead the insanely snowy winters weve seen recently because of an epic storm. wish we could get the monkey off our backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo6899 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 LOL...Id DEFINITELY venture a guess you are the only snow-lover in SE MI who graded 2009-10 higher than 2010-11. I'd venture a guess we all have our own grading scale and preferences so lets just leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 No, it's this winter with a 20" storm thrown in. I couldn't give something an A+ unless everything went right, but I understand that we all grade differently. I *think* part of the problem some might be failing to understand or may not even know is well this IS one of the best winters HE has seen. Josh has never seen a BIG storm ( I think his biggest is Jan 05 super clipper and thus 12.5 or so? ) and none of the big records ( top 2 0or 3 ) seasonal records has fallen etc. Thus why too 6-10 or so IS a big storm to him. If you are more into snowcover it is no surprise that the winter to feature the most snowcover days in his lifetime would get a A. Plus they did have alot of nice surprises too and for him personally it was one of the snowiest of his lifetime. Like I said..its ALL things considered. In fact, if you go by JUST the total snowfall, Ive actually had 3 winters TOP this one (we still have a good shot to pass 2002-03)... 82.1" - 2004-05...65 days of 1"+ snwcvr...0 thundersnow events...one 10"+ storm 78.2" - 2007-08...69 days of 1"+ snwcvr...1 thundersnow event....one 10"+ storm 69.0" - 2002-03...67 days of 1"+ snwcvr...1 thundersnow event....one 10"+ storm 68.1" - 2010-11...81 days of 1"+ snwcvr...3 thundersnow events...two 10"+ storms (plus the most surprise snowstorms ever lol) Heres an interesting stat....in the last 10 years Ive had 22 storms of 6"+, but of those, 13 were 8"+, 5 were 10"+ and zero were 12"+. Its a no-brainer that when we get the epic storm, it will be my all-time favorite STORM...but you gotta have the other factors involved too, like snowcover, frequent snowfall, etc...to have the "perfect" winter. A 2+ foot storm alone will not make a perfect winter in my book. But if we had that storm THIS winter with everything else, then yes...that is literally the PERFECT winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 some pretty heavy snow banding going on right now in the OAX area, you can also see the mid-level s/w on the UDX radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Heres what I think the criteria has to be to become an A+ Winter At Least 25% above average snowfall Colder then Average temps...i.e snow depth At least one Snowstorm of 15"+ or at least 2 12"+or 3 storms 10"+ Balanced months. For example Snow from Thanksgiving through March not one big month then the rest blah. The 1999 and this season was unbalanced ---------------- The Only A+ I had was in 07/08 I reached all criteria (had 100" 90% above, Snow depth 19" Snowstorm 16.5" Colder then ave temps) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Heres what I think the criteria has to be to become an A+ Winter At Least 25% above average snowfall Colder then Average temps...i.e snow depth At least one Snowstorm of 15"+ or at least 2 12"+or 3 storms 10"+ Balanced months. For example Snow from Thanksgiving through March not one big month then the rest blah. The 1999 and this season was unbalanced ---------------- The Only A+ I had was in 07/08 I reached all criteria (had 100" 90% above, Snow depth 19" Snowstorm 16.5" Colder then ave temps) Had i either gotten a big 18+ system and or March had not been soo crappy i would have given 08-09 a A+ but ala it gets a A-. For me the A+ winter would be 95-96 back east which had 2 18+ events and a slew of other moderate/decent events and into April and smashed the seasonal snowfall record at my location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Heres what I think the criteria has to be to become an A+ Winter At Least 25% above average snowfall Colder then Average temps...i.e snow depth At least one Snowstorm of 15"+ or at least 2 12"+or 3 storms 10"+ Balanced months. For example Snow from Thanksgiving through March not one big month then the rest blah. The 1999 and this season was unbalanced ---------------- The Only A+ I had was in 07/08 I reached all criteria (had 100" 90% above, Snow depth 19" Snowstorm 16.5" Colder then ave temps) imo this winter wasnt nearly as unbalanced as 1998-99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 imo this winter wasnt nearly as unbalanced as 1998-99 I believe 40% of snowfall occured in Feb for DET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I believe 40% of snowfall occured in Feb for DET If 1998-99 was anything like it was for Toronto, than 90% of your snowfall occurred in the first two weeks of January, and the first 10 days of March. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 If 1998-99 was anything like it was for Toronto, than 90% of your snowfall occurred in the first two weeks of January, and the first 10 days of March. lol. same here. that was a strange winter but the best 20 days of winter I ever expierenced that Janurary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 It's probably bullocks, but the 12z NAM throws a little love tomorrow morning for IND and locations south of there. Nothing much really, but it does seem to be a bit more "amplified". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 If 1998-99 was anything like it was for Toronto, than 90% of your snowfall occurred in the first two weeks of January, and the first 10 days of March. lol. That was the story for a lot folks that winter. Here's the breakdown for ORD: Jan 1-13: 28.9" Mar: 5-10: 18.2" The other days that season: 3.8" Total season snowfall: 50.9" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 If 1998-99 was anything like it was for Toronto, than 90% of your snowfall occurred in the first two weeks of January, and the first 10 days of March. lol. Yep..there really is no comparison. In 1998-99, we had literally no measurable snow through Christmas, then a few dustings, then were literally buried under 2 feet of snow from Jan 2-13th. The snow began to melt and we went from a depth of 24" on 1/15 to a T on 1/24, then we had 4-5" snowfalls on Jan 25, Feb 7, and Feb 25, each of which lasted just 2 days on the ground. In between was lots of bare ground. Then we had our March snow blitz, with first the 8" storm on the 5th and then another 4" on the 9th...by mid-month the ground had gone bare and winter was over. In 2010-11, we started Dec with dustings and light snows, then a 6" storm on the 12th laid down a blanket that would remain the entire month, despite little additional snow. On Jan 1st the ground went bare for 4 days before snowcover returned, and we nickeled and dimed our way to 18" in January thanks to numerous clippers/shortwaves, and had a nice (but not excessive) 4-7" snowpack throughout the month. Then Feb came and the snow records fell, with a 10" storm on the 1/2nd, 5" on the 5th. several light falls thereafter before a brief but potent torch, then once again after just 2 days of bare ground, another 10" fell on the 20th, followed by nearly 4" on the 25th, a monthly total of about 32", then two more 4-5" snowfalls in early March, with the ground going bare mid-month. While February certainly hogged a decent chunk of the seasonal snowfall, it was much more dispersed in 2010-11 than 1998-99, not to mention a good 20" more fell (though we did get deeper depth in Jan 1999) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto4 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Interesting. All of a sudden, the 00z runs of the NAM, RGEM and GFS show a band of precip (snow) extending northwest from the coastal storm into the eastern Lakes tomorrow night into Thursday morning. QPF is around 0.10" for the Toronto area and that could add up to an inch or so of snow. The best thing is that the precip falls at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Interesting. All of a sudden, the 00z runs of the NAM, RGEM and GFS show a band of precip (snow) extending northwest from the coastal storm into the eastern Lakes tomorrow night into Thursday morning. QPF is around 0.10" for the Toronto area and that could add up to an inch or so of snow. The best thing is that the precip falls at night. At this time of the year, it's best to check soundings. I'll run BUFKIT on NAM to see if that's snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 At this time of the year, it's best to check soundings. I'll run BUFKIT on NAM to see if that's snow. lol, yup. 0.20" QPF all snow. Temps below freezing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 6z NAM spits out about 2.5" overnight from the ul low. Seems a bit much. I think a slushy inch is doable though. Just enough to crack 60". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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