SP Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 evidence-based science, radiation by prefecture: http://www.targetmap...x?reportId=4870 under survey LOL under radioactive assault is more like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 It's been quiet for 36 hours now. IMO, that's probably not a good sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 It's been quiet for 36 hours now. IMO, that's probably not a good sign. The two US barges with fresh water are on site. Fresh water is being pumped into the three reactors. The turbine buildings of all three are being pumped with the contaminated water going into the main condenser for each reactor. This is new as the previous reports were the hadn't started on #2 and #3. So yes, it has been a good day/evening. Given the situation there will be ebb and flows for months. Bad days make news. Progress won't. http://nei.org/newsandevents/information-on-the-japanese-earthquake-and-reactors-in-that-region/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 The two US barges with fresh water are on site. Fresh water is being pumped into the three reactors. The turbine buildings of all three are being pumped with the contaminated water going into the main condenser for each reactor. This is new as the previous reports were the hadn't started on #2 and #3. So yes, it has been a good day/evening. Given the situation there will be ebb and flows for months. Bad days make news. Progress won't. http://nei.org/newsa...in-that-region/ I guess so. I've been watching Kyodo's ticker and it's be silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I guess so. I've been watching Kyodo's ticker and it's be silent. morning there...things will pick up through our evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Drudge had the link to a British paper indicating a meltdown had occurred in the sense of the molten core had melted through the bottom of 2. This is not as bad as Chernobyl but will certainly be the worst nuke accident otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 The two US barges with fresh water are on site. Fresh water is being pumped into the three reactors. The turbine buildings of all three are being pumped with the contaminated water going into the main condenser for each reactor. This is new as the previous reports were the hadn't started on #2 and #3. So yes, it has been a good day/evening. Given the situation there will be ebb and flows for months. Bad days make news. Progress won't. http://nei.org/newsa...in-that-region/ The problem with your hypothesis is that you believe fresh water will actually do something... trying to cool down cores that have already melted or have breaches in them really doesn't solve much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 The guy responsible for the setup of reactor 2 said he believes it's melted down into the drywell. In short a total meltdown but that water etc solidified the molten material. Long as they prevent a big fire it's a giant disaster but not anywhere near 1986. Hope they have it somewhat contained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 The two US barges with fresh water are on site. Fresh water is being pumped into the three reactors. The turbine buildings of all three are being pumped with the contaminated water going into the main condenser for each reactor. This is new as the previous reports were the hadn't started on #2 and #3. So yes, it has been a good day/evening. Given the situation there will be ebb and flows for months. Bad days make news. Progress won't. http://nei.org/newsa...in-that-region/ Ah, yes... progress. REUTERSFLASH ReutersBreakingNews -Japan govt: seawater near Fukushima plant 3,000 times more radioactive than legal limit - Kyodo REUTERSFLASH ReutersBreakingNews -Japan nuclear plant operator: unclear how seawater around Fukushima plant became radioactive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Help, Captain Hindsight http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/360430/captain-hindsight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffreyB Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 It would seem this situation was never under control, the inevitable has been delayed the first clear signs of an impending worst case scenario that is unfolding. This should be immediately be declared level 7 on INES accident scale without further delay the long term implications will be unthinkable this is no Chernobyl this is a Fukushima there is absolutely very little parallels between these accidents except one a large release of radioactive contamination. The only difference between these parallels is time Chernobyl happened very rapidly but at Fukushima we're looking at long term radioactive emissions in various forms of release (Sea, Atmosphere, Ground around plant) due to the nature of release the situation is "Radioactive Saturation". The implications of this disaster out weighs the Earthquake and Tsunami combined that is a natural event but it would seem our own man made technology can not be controlled always and is beyond the forces of nature in scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Reuters Reuters Top News -FLASH: Japan nuclear plant operator TEPCO executives to hold news conference at 0600 GMT President of Japan utility that owns leaking nuclear plant hospitalized in Tokyo. http://apne.ws/eckkrx - VW #earthquake #tsunami http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/29/japan-lost-race-save-nuclear-reactor Japan may have lost race to save nuclear reactor The radioactive core in a reactor at the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant appears to have melted through the bottom of its containment vessel and on to a concrete floor, experts say, raising fears of a major release of radiation at the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiaWx Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 It would seem this situation was never under control, the inevitable has been delayed the first clear signs of an impending worst case scenario that is unfolding. This should be immediately be declared level 7 on INES accident scale without further delay the long term implications will be unthinkable this is no Chernobyl this is a Fukushima there is absolutely very little parallels between these accidents except one a large release of radioactive contamination. The only difference between these parallels is time Chernobyl happened very rapidly but at Fukushima we're looking at long term radioactive emissions in various forms of release (Sea, Atmosphere, Ground around plant) due to the nature of release the situation is "Radioactive Saturation". The implications of this disaster out weighs the Earthquake and Tsunami combined that is a natural event but it would seem our own man made technology can not be controlled always and is beyond the forces of nature in scope. No offense but whether it's called a Level 6 or 7 is just for scientific and perspective purpose, it has no impact on what's happening or the steps to stop the problem. If they felt like dumping sand, concrete, and other chemicals to seal it up they would do it regardless of level 5, 6 or 7. Also, I don;t know of any man made technologies (unless you count cars) that killed hundreds of thousands of people like earthquakes and Tsunamis do. ie. Haiti 300,000, and Indonesia, 230,000 killed respectively. Add up all the deaths from man made disasters you don't even remotely approach what nature does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hailstorm Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 evidence-based science, radiation by prefecture: http://www.targetmap...x?reportId=4870 Are those radiation readings in microsieverts or nanosieverts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 NEWS ADVISORY: Smoke temporarily seen at Fukushima Daini turbine building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterymix Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Are those radiation readings in microsieverts or nanosieverts? nano grays per hour http://www.radprocalculator.com/FAQ.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isopycnic Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81697.html Each of the employees of Tokyo Electric Power Co. and other workers engaged in containing damage at the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is given 30 survival food crackers and a 180 milliliter pack of vegetable juice for breakfast after getting up just before 6 a.m. ... The radiation level within the building is 2-3 microsievert per hour. They sleep in conference rooms and hallways in the building. To shield them from radiation from the floor, they cover themselves with lead-containing sheets before they put on blankets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Quiet? Here's some stuff... You DO go outside your houses, yes? Walk the dog, take a run, work in the garden possibly? Cut the grass & bag it up? Shovel snow? Get rainwater/melted snow in your garage from pulling your car in? Walk inside your house/business with wet shoes initially? How about going to the grocery store which generally has sopping wet mats/floors at the entrance?.. -------------------------------------- Radioactive Iodine-131 In Pennsylvania Rainwater Sample Is 3300% Above Federal Drinking Water Standard March 29th, 2011 at 10:11 PM http://enenews.com/radioactive-iodine-131-in-pennsylvania-rainwater-sample-3300-above-federal-drinking-water-standard Excerpts: ...… The [iodine-131] numbers reported in the rainwater samples in Pennsylvania range from 40-100 picocuries per liter (pCi/L). Although these are levels above the background levels historically reported in these areas, they are still about 25 times below the level that would be of concern. The federal drinking water standard for Iodine-131 is 3 pCi/L. … On Friday, rainwater samples were taken in Harrisburg, where levels were 41 pCi/L and at nuclear power plants at TMI and Limerick, where levels were 90 to 100 pCi/L. Corbett emphasized that the drinking water is safe and there is no cause for health concerns... Radioactive Particles to be Concentrated over Midwestern US on April 1, 2 (VIDEO) March 29th, 2011 at 03:55 PM Fukushima Potential Releases, Xe-133 Total Column for March 29-April 2, 2011, Norwegian Institute for Air Research (NILU), March 29, 2011: * Although xenon is not toxic, its compounds are highly toxic -- CRC handbook of chemistry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiaWx Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Quiet? Here's some stuff... You DO go outside your houses, yes? Walk the dog, take a run, work in the garden possibly? Cut the grass & bag it up? Shovel snow? Get rainwater/melted snow in your garage from pulling your car in? Walk inside your house/business with wet shoes initially? How about going to the grocery store which generally has sopping wet mats/floors at the entrance?.. does your dog wear a tin foil hat also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 does your dog wear a tin foil hat also? I don't have a dog - but thanks for volunteering. Just don't feel like picking up your s--t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jburns Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Quiet? Here's some stuff... You DO go outside your houses, yes? Walk the dog, take a run, work in the garden possibly? Cut the grass & bag it up? Shovel snow? Get rainwater/melted snow in your garage from pulling your car in? Walk inside your house/business with wet shoes initially? How about going to the grocery store which generally has sopping wet mats/floors at the entrance?.. -------------------------------------- Radioactive Iodine-131 In Pennsylvania Rainwater Sample Is 3300% Above Federal Drinking Water Standard March 29th, 2011 at 10:11 PM http://enenews.com/r...-water-standard Excerpts: ...… The [iodine-131] numbers reported in the rainwater samples in Pennsylvania range from 40-100 picocuries per liter (pCi/L). Although these are levels above the background levels historically reported in these areas, they are still about 25 times below the level that would be of concern. The federal drinking water standard for Iodine-131 is 3 pCi/L. … On Friday, rainwater samples were taken in Harrisburg, where levels were 41 pCi/L and at nuclear power plants at TMI and Limerick, where levels were 90 to 100 pCi/L. Corbett emphasized that the drinking water is safe and there is no cause for health concerns... Radioactive Particles to be Concentrated over Midwestern US on April 1, 2 (VIDEO) March 29th, 2011 at 03:55 PM Fukushima Potential Releases, Xe-133 Total Column for March 29-April 2, 2011, Norwegian Institute for Air Research (NILU), March 29, 2011: * Although xenon is not toxic, its compounds are highly toxic -- CRC handbook of chemistry Calm down. Your stress is much more likely to kill you than any radiation release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 classic! well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Lizard Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 I thought xenon was one of the inert, or "Nobel" gasses, like helium, and it takes serious effort to get it to form a compound with almost anything. Anyone ever seen on TV someone taking a Geiger counter to something made of granite? There is all kinds of radiation, everywhere, at small doses. I suspect natural radon occuring in homes in Pennsylvania (concentrated by efficient insulation) is a bigger radiological concern, by orders of magnitude, than a rain storm a week plus removed from Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Whatever happened to the plant manager that left that one press conference in tears? I haven't seen him since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozart Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Whatever happened to the plant manager that left that one press conference in tears? I haven't seen him since. Akio Komori, TEPCO managing director. Doubt we'll be seeing him anymore. Also M.I.A. is TEPCO president Masataka Shimizu, reportedly hospitalized for an illness brought on by stress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Calm down. Your stress is much more likely to kill you than any radiation release. Also M.I.A. is TEPCO president Masataka Shimizu, reportedly hospitalized for an illness brought on by stress. See. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 The problem with your hypothesis is that you believe fresh water will actually do something... trying to cool down cores that have already melted or have breaches in them really doesn't solve much. Yep, my 'hypothesis' that I passed along to the US government and they urgently advised the Japanese to follow was a bad one. I have other solutions formulated and have shared those with the NRC and various Japanese agencies. Hopefully one of them will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Nuke agency says radiation high outside 20-km zone VIENNA – U.N. nuclear agency officials say that readings outside the exclusion zone of the Japan nuclear disaster shows radiation exceeding recommended evacuation levels by the agency. The officials emphasize that the readings, at Iitate village, were sporadic and were registered only at one measuring point. Elena Buglova, one of the officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, says the reading was 2 megabecquerels per square meter. She said Wednesday that "as a ratio it was about two times higher" than levels at which the agency recommends evacuations. Iitate village is about 40 kilometers (25 miles) from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex where emergency crews are battling to keep radioactivity from spreading after the complex was crippled nearly three weeks ago. Residents have been evacuated within a 20-kilometer zone and told to stay indoors within 30 kilometers http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110330/ap_on_re_us/un_japan_nuclear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApacheTrout Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 The officials emphasize that the readings, at Iitate village, were sporadic and were registered only at one measuring point. Just one measuring point? I find it hard to believe that haven't set up a series of measuring points along different vector directions from the nuclear plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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