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hardly you ever add anything to a discussion.

if you want 70s theres a spring discussion somewhere around here.

amen....I don't think I've ever seen someone hate on a potential snow threat as much as he has this week. I wonder what he will be doing next week when the Big Daddy talks continue.

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hardly you ever add anything to a discussion.

if you want 70s theres a spring discussion somewhere around here.

I hope you enjoy the 40 and rain we'll be getting for the next couple weeks. Unless you live way outside the city and have some elevation, I doubt there will be much in the way of accumulating snow. Sorry. April is just over one week away. Chances of accumulating snow in the immediate NYC metro decrease exponentially by the day.

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The GFS is extremely warm. Usually in the situations where the NAM and GFS differ extremely, the GFS is right. The GFS can often place too much precipitation northward into confluence because of its low resolution, but I don't think it does the same thing with the position of the surface low, or temperatures. The NAM being a mesoscale model might make it extremely susceptible to over-do dynamic cooling. Also, sometimes its insane dynamics seem to shunt sfc lows southward.

The best chance for snow flakes flying might simply be very late overnight tonight and tomorrow morning--after that, the mid-level WAA might simply be too strong. Unless the NAM is right, of course.

The Euro becomes really important now.

I've always been more excited about the threats after this one, personally.

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I hope you enjoy the 40 and rain we'll be getting for the next couple weeks. Unless you live way outside the city and have some elevation, I doubt there will be much in the way of accumulating snow. Sorry. April is just over one week away. Chances of accumulating snow in the immediate NYC metro decrease exponentially by the day.

The point is that nobody is going to be enjoying 40s and rain obviously. And with that being the other alternative in this pattern of storms, why not just root for some snow while it is still possible. (Even if the odds are increasingly against it with each passing day)

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The point is that nobody is going to be enjoying 40s and rain obviously. And with that being the other alternative in this pattern of storms, why not just root for some snow while it is still possible. (Even if the odds are increasingly against it with each passing day)

Because last winter I had 7 ft of snow and this winter I've had 5 ft, and that is quite enough. Plus it is pretty unlikely the city sees anything that accumulates (more than an inch or two).

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LOL this is ridiculous. The Ukie is a bit warmer than the NAM, but it's certainly closer to the NAM than the GFS...

UKIE is actually a little colder. Hour 42 of Ukie has the 850 line 20-30 miles south of LI. And on NAM it was touching LI.

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I'd take the Ukie in a heartbeat. The GFS looks like a sloppy mess.

Me too. The Ukie would be great.

I mean, the GFS has certainly had precipitation too far north before in strong confluent set-ups, but I didn't think it worked the same way with the position of the surface low itself--I thought it simply did that because its lack of resolution makes it hard to see the sharp cut-offs between mid/upper level divergence and convergence...with strong confluence, that can be a dramatic cut-off. But maybe it does do the same thing with surface lows too, sometimes? Its SE bias is often because it over-does the northern stream diving into a southern stream, and acting "suppressive", but I don't think that's necessarily the case here. It's not like the confluences "dives" down into the system itself which renders the SE bias negligent in this case. And maybe since it doesn't understand sharp confluence, its sfc low is too far north. But I can also see where the precip cutoffs being too gradual and surface low track could be mutually exclusive, too.

I just really don't know. The Euro remains important...

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NCEP going with the middle ground between GFS and NAM. Personally I think the SREF has the right idea since the trend has been to bring a piece of the polar vortex SW and phase it with the Midwest system, which allows the confluence zone over New England to lift north.

I do expect a changeover to rain for EWR/JFK/NYC/LGA at some point Wed night. Areas further east (e.g. the North Shore of Suffolk County) will be more likely to see significant snow accumulations, both because of heat island and the isotherms being oriented WNW-ESE.

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD

1217 PM EDT TUE MAR 22 2011

...WAVE TRACKING ACROSS THE MIDWEST DAY 1...

PRELIMINARY PREFERENCE: 00Z/22 ECMWF OR ECENS MEAN

THE NAM IS SLIGHTLY SOUTH OF THE 00Z/22 ECMWF WITH THE TRACK OF

THE WAVE...WITH THE GFS DECIDEDLY TO THE NORTH...PARTICULARLY ONCE

THE LOW RECONSOLIDATES OFFSHORE EARLY DAY 2. AT THIS POINT...THE

MIDDLE GROUND OF THE 00Z/22 ECMWF OR ECENS MEANS APPEARS TO BE THE

SAFEST BET.

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Because last winter I had 7 ft of snow and this winter I've had 5 ft, and that is quite enough. Plus it is pretty unlikely the city sees anything that accumulates (more than an inch or two).

that is completely understandable that you don't want anymore snow...I dont either. I was simply responding to your "enjoy your 40s and rain" comment as if any of us are controlling/rooting on this "kick in the balls" weather pattern here. Most of the people would just rather see a few more snowflakes instead of cold rain if possible. i'm sure 90% of us would rather see 70s than any of this crap right now. We're just discussing the hand we've been dealt here

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that is completely understandable that you don't want anymore snow...I dont either. I was simply responding to your "enjoy your 40s and rain" comment as if any of us are controlling/rooting on this "kick in the balls" weather pattern here. Most of the people would just rather see a few more snowflakes instead of cold rain if possible. i'm sure 90% of us would rather see 70s than any of this crap right now. We're just discussing the hand we've been dealt here

Word, I hear ya. I'd rather see snow than rain as well in this pattern. But for the city and immediate suburbs, it would have to come down hard & fast to even have a chance of accumulating. Although I guess that might be optimal, 34/35 and snow is better than a soaking rain OR dealing with the slush that would inevitably result after any accumulations.

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