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3/23 - 3/24 Winter Storm


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I wasn't here during the 4/1/97 event but I do recall temps hovering just above freezing right in and around the city, newark, Hudson cty and while it did snow nothing really accumulated. But you went literally 10 miles north and west and it piled up quickly. Was the main reason due to the warm ground, temps or intensity of the precip? As I recall much of it fell at night so sun angle really wouldn't have played a part.

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I wasn't here during the 4/1/97 event but I do recall temps hovering just above freezing right in and around the city, newark, Hudson cty and while it did snow nothing really accumulated. But you went literally 10 miles north and west and it piled up quickly. Was the main reason due to the warm ground, temps or intensity of the precip? As I recall much of it fell at night so sun angle really wouldn't have played a part.

basically a combination of all factors.

Jefferson, NJ in Morris County had 22" from 1997.

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I wasn't here during the 4/1/97 event but I do recall temps hovering just above freezing right in and around the city, newark, Hudson cty and while it did snow nothing really accumulated. But you went literally 10 miles north and west and it piled up quickly. Was the main reason due to the warm ground, temps or intensity of the precip? As I recall much of it fell at night so sun angle really wouldn't have played a part.

I had 8 inches of snow in my area which is south and west of those areas. It was very cold here that night and then next day

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From Mt Hollys disco, seems like the NAMs current forecast has not verified..too far south and too cold

JUST WANTED TO ADD A QUICK AND DIRTY VERIFICATION OF WHICH MODEL

IS HANDLING OUR UPCOMING SYSTEM THE BEST THROUGH ITS 12HR

FORECAST. OVERALL ITS THE ECMWF. THE NAM'S SFC LOW FCST POSN IS TOO

FAR SOUTH AND ITS TOO COLD, IT HAS INFERRED FREEZING RAIN AS A

PTYPE WHERE TEMPERATURES ARE IN THE MID 30S IN SOUTH DAKOTA.

CONVERSELY THE GFS HAD A DECENT PTYPE AND SFC LOW VERIFICATION,

BUT ITS QPF AXIS VERIFIED TOO FAR TO THE SW IN THE OH VALLEY. BOTH

CANADIAN MODELS PUT THE SFC LOW TOO DEEP INTO THE COLD AIR. WE'LL SEE

HOW THE MODELS INITIALIZE OFF THE 12Z SOUNDINGS

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I'll be quite surprised if the NAM doesnt jump north with this eventually...And i don't mean to the point of the gfs, but something in the middle is probably going to verify..Now that doesn't mean that knyc ends up on the warm side of this thing, just saying that I think the nam has got to be too far south

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High unlikely you will see 10:1 ratios down there... Ill be lucky to see that up here..

Well it was an estimate, Even at 8:1 and ~ 1" QPF I still fit in my 7-14" range. It was probably too high but only time will tell. It seems that everytime a model shows a solution this season which would give more snow to the area than forecasted, NWS/HPC finds a reason to scrap it. I do agree though that the NAM has been less than perfect so far this season with QPF placement.

Seems this will all come down to how quickly the coastal gets going. Too late and we might bust big time.

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Thats what I mean, it wasn't a traditional interior or elevation type storm but more of a situation where if you were outside the 5 to 10 mile heat island effect of the city you got accumulations, even along the coast and further south and east

I had 8 inches of snow in my area which is south and west of those areas. It was very cold here that night and then next day

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Yup. Rgem matches GFS now. Way too warm for coast.

Not a good solution. The Nam also shifted slightly north.

Quelle surprise. Bring on the 70s.

These overrunning events always find a way to trend north at the last minute.

From the beginning we knew this wasn't our storm. I still think the answer lies somewhere in between the NAM and the GFS but as the hours pass, the GFS gains support.

Lets hope the rest of the 12z suite comes out with a better result.

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