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March 27 SpringBlizzard Discussion


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Why wouldn't we get everything as accumulating QPF now? Lows have been in the 20's two nights in a row, so ground temps are somewhat cold. Its also falling at night.

So if its JAN 30th, and we have the exact same "scenario" ground/air temps in all aspects, how would climo factor in then?

the same scenario would be colder then. the sun is less powerful as well and surfaces retain heat well after sundown. elevated objects will get cold quicker so it might not be a huge issue, but the ground is probably warmer than you think. plus temps may not be below freezing or far below freezing till the snow starts so you'll probably lose a little on the front end just cooling things further. rates can negate still but i think we're probably too far north for that talk to factor in too much.

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the same scenario would be colder then. the sun is less powerful as well and surfaces retain heat well after sundown. elevated objects will get cold quicker so it might not be a huge issue, but the ground is probably warmer than you think. plus temps may not be below freezing or far below freezing till the snow starts so you'll probably lose a little on the front end just cooling things further. rates can negate still but i think we're probably too far north for that talk to factor in too much.

Alrighty then. Just seems like extra solar energy, while both at 50F, would be a minor difference, and might be weighted a bit too heavily...but I digress

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I have to say, the nice thing about this storm is the low expectations. No one has ever said this would be 6+". If DC gets an inch, it will be awesome.

Yes it would be, especially considering I have only had 3 different inch+ snows this entire season.

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Don't agree with you...models are showing anywhere from .1-.2 for DC...slide the storm due east and we get our .1-.2. That simple

boundary temps are warm, so there is going to need to be some evaporational cooling to get it cold enough for it to snow, which means there will be wasted qpf just to get the rain to turn to snow; after that, there's not a whole lot of qpf left

coating seems to be the best DCA proper and BWI generally will see imho

I guess this late in the season that may be of note, but to me, just another reminder of how sucky things have been

otoh, enso for next year with a western qbo says we might do pretty well, and definitely better than this year and likely above average (assuming a weakish NINA and western qbo), and next season is only 8 months away come Thursday

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boundary temps are warm, so there is going to need to be some evaporational cooling to get it cold enough for it to snow, which means there will be wasted qpf just to get the rain to turn to snow; after that, there's not a whole lot of qpf left

coating seems to be the best DCA proper and BWI generally will see imho

I guess this late in the season that may be of note, but to me, just another reminder of how sucky things have been

otoh, enso for next year with a western qbo says we might do pretty well, and definitely better than this year and likely above average (assuming a weakish NINA and western qbo), and next season is only 8 months away come Thursday

Did you see JB's blog on Weatherbell today????

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boundary temps are warm, so there is going to need to be some evaporational cooling to get it cold enough for it to snow, which means there will be wasted qpf just to get the rain to turn to snow; after that, there's not a whole lot of qpf left

coating seems to be the best DCA proper and BWI generally will see imho

I guess this late in the season that may be of note, but to me, just another reminder of how sucky things have been

otoh, enso for next year with a western qbo says we might do pretty well, and definitely better than this year and likely above average (assuming a weakish NINA and western qbo), and next season is only 8 months away come Thursday

Umm, why the hell do you want a +QBO?

Warm ENSO neutral with a -QBO (easterly), -IO, is the deal next yr...book it and hold me to it. Last time I checked it was a 13 month cycle.

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Justin Berk's forecast for 1-2 isolated 3 up to Baltimore :arrowhead:

I am glad you saw that, I laughed when i saw that. Talk about hugging the model that shows the most snow. Wow.

VDOT and its contractors are out on the sides of the highways already :axe: Talk about overhype on this system. Jesus Horace Christ. It is ridiculous

38/14 here now

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Umm, why the hell do you want a +QBO?

Warm ENSO neutral with a -QBO (easterly), -IO, is the deal next yr...book it and hold me to it. Last time I checked it was a 13 month cycle.

not always 13 months

but yeah, you're right, I got my qbo wrong, it looks to be headed negative into the winter, which is similar to 02/03 and that is why I like it

in any event, I'll take a wamer than average ENSO any day over a crappy NINA

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I am glad you saw that, I laughed when i saw that. Talk about hugging the model that shows the most snow. Wow.

VDOT and its contractors are out on the sides of the highways already :axe: Talk about overhype on this system. Jesus Horace Christ. It is ridiculous

38/14 here now

sadly, 8PM obs show little even hitting the ground out to our west

http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sfc_map.php?inv=0&t=cur&region=at&expanddiv=hide_bar

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sadly, 8PM obs show little even hitting the ground out to our west

http://weather.unisy...anddiv=hide_bar

I have been having doubts all along but with J Berks map that is overly agressive. I mean it is DC end of March, no one should expect much. I expect places like Wintergreen, Massanutte, snowshoe, wv and the Skyline drive to do ok with 2-4" but thats it. Lower elevations and Bal-DC wont be getting anything much to add to this season IMO.

If the precip comes down hard enough along I 64 corridor maybe Lousia county area may get some snow on the ground but an inch or two

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He has busted so bad on these little snow events it's actually really sad. He is probably one of the biggest weenies on TV when it comes to snow...lol...I actually like him a lot.

I think he is a good guy but he just hypes too much and always follows the model that shows the highest amounts.

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not always 13 months

but yeah, you're right, I got my qbo wrong, it looks to be headed negative into the winter, which is similar to 02/03 and that is why I like it

in any event, I'll take a wamer than average ENSO any day over a crappy NINA

Last winter had the -QBO too, as did 2002/03, and 1995/96. It's pretty much a necessity if you want a snowy winter :P

http://www.esrl.noaa...lation/qbo.data

Can't help but wonder if this winter's +QBO had something to do with the "snow hole". Yeah I know it Didn't, but I want to believe it did.

I just hope you realize, were were Stacked with a Strong La Nina, +QBO, +IO, and still had plenty of opportunities, and some great WX. In these circumstances, we scored another 09/10, we had everything possible against us.

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