jburns Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 There is a reason that the Japanese are not the Chinese and are not the Koreans . The Japanese have a rather wise culture that has stood the test of time. Yeah. Those Charlie come lately Chinese have ruined the entire neighborhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 <br />Pretty graphic but what is an "arbitrary unit"? <img src='http://208.71.34.143/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br /><br /><br /><br />This plume info came from the United Nations - go ask them. They probably didn't want to be the lightning rod for "data" since no one else is providing the specifics! Interesting that only National News is covering that news, not local news. I should go check out Sacramento as they've reported a slight bump in radiation levels. Measurements should be in milisieverts.<br /><br /> The sievert (symbol: Sv) is the SI derived unit of dose equivalent radiation. It attempts to quantitatively evaluate the biological effects of ionizing radiation as opposed to the physical aspects, which are characterised by the absorbed dose, measured in gray. It is named after Rolf Sievert, a Swedish medical physicist renowned for work on radiation dosage measurement and research into the biological effects of radiation.<br /><br /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 <br /><br /><br /> This plume info came from the United Nations - go ask them. They probably didn't want to be the lightning rod for "data" since no one else is providing the specifics! Interesting that only National News is covering that news, not local news. I should go check out Sacramento as they've reported a slight bump in radiation levels. Measurements should be in milisieverts.<br /><br /> The sievert (symbol: Sv) is the SI derived unit of dose equivalent radiation. It attempts to quantitatively evaluate the biological effects of ionizing radiation as opposed to the physical aspects, which are characterised by the absorbed dose, measured in gray. It is named after Rolf Sievert, a Swedish medical physicist renowned for work on radiation dosage measurement and research into the biological effects of radiation.<br /><br /> I'm asking you since you posted it here as proof of something I guess. The graphic is worthless. It shows nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Radiation From Japan Has Now Reached Northern California http://www.krcrtv.com/news/27244244/detail.html REDDING, Calif. -- Small levels of radiation from Japan were detected by a federal radiation monitor in Sacramento Friday morning - the first sign that radiation from the country's unstable Fukushima plant has reached the U.S. The U.S. Government has an extensive network of radiation monitors around the county, including systems operated by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Department of Energy. One of these monitoring stations in Sacramento detected miniscule quantities of the radioactive isotope xenon-133. The origin was determined to be consistent with a release from the Fukushima reactors. The levels detected were approximately 0.1 disintegrations per second per cubic meter of air (0.1 Bq/m3), which is roughly about one-millionth the dose rate a person normally receives from rocks, bricks, sun and other natural background resources. Xenon-133 is a radioactive noble gas produced during nuclear fission that poses no concern at the detected level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Radiation From Japan Has Now Reached Northern California http://www.krcrtv.com/news/27244244/detail.html REDDING, Calif. -- Small levels of radiation from Japan were detected by a federal radiation monitor in Sacramento Friday morning - the first sign that radiation from the country's unstable Fukushima plant has reached the U.S. The U.S. Government has an extensive network of radiation monitors around the county, including systems operated by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the Department of Energy. One of these monitoring stations in Sacramento detected miniscule quantities of the radioactive isotope xenon-133. The origin was determined to be consistent with a release from the Fukushima reactors. The levels detected were approximately 0.1 disintegrations per second per cubic meter of air (0.1 Bq/m3), which is roughly about one-millionth the dose rate a person normally receives from rocks, bricks, sun and other natural background resources. Xenon-133 is a radioactive noble gas produced during nuclear fission that poses no concern at the detected level. Yes, we have known for quite some time that there would be a measurable increase in radiation levels here in the US. As Nick (OSU) said earlier, the increase is of academic interest, but has no further implications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderdog Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Yes, we have known for quite some time that there would be a measurable increase in radiation levels here in the US. As Nick (OSU) said earlier, the increase is of academic interest, but has no further implications. Very true but IMO it is still newsworthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Agencies: No harmful radiation has hit Arizona http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/arizona/article_963c4270-51b0-11e0-9275-001cc4c03286.html Posted: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:44 pm Agencies: No harmful radiation has hit Arizona Tribune East Valley Tribune | 1 comment Three state agencies are watching air currents coming toward the southwestern U.S. coast from Japan and have concluded that the amount of radiation in the plume is not much different than people experience on a cross-country flight. The March 11 earthquake and tsunami set off the nuclear problems by knocking out power to cooling systems at the Fukushima Dai Ichi nuclear plant on the northeast coast of Japan. Since then, four of its six reactor units have seen fires, explosions or partial meltdowns. The Arizona Radiation Regulatory Agency (ARRA), the Division of Emergency Management (ADEM) and the Department of Health Services (ADHS) say people in Arizona are safe from dangerous radiation and need to be aware of potential dangers of taking potassium iodide when there is no danger. Potassium iodide can be dangerous to people with allergies to iodine, shellfish or who have thyroid problems. It can have major side effects, including abnormal heart rhythms, nausea, vomiting, electrolyte abnormalities and bleeding. Federal officials say there is no risk expected to Arizona or its residents as a result of the situation in Japan. 1 comment: trustthegov posted at 4:21 pm on Fri, Mar 18, 2011. trustthegov Posts: 1 "No harmful radiation has hit Arizona". Thats a play on words. That means that radiation has hit us in AZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 This is Arizona's official radiation opinion, as posted and linked on various media websites: http://www.arra.state.az.us/docs/fAQ.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 TEPCO rising the radiation limit allowed for the workers..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Let's assume we have measured an increase of about 1 microsievert in California. That's about 10 BED. In other words, that's the equivalent of 10 bananas raining down from the sky! EDIT: That's also the equivalent of smoking about 1.4% of a cigarette! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Let's assume we have measured an increase of about 1 microsievert in California. That's about 10 BED. In other words, that's the equivalent of 10 bananas raining down from the sky! EDIT: That's also the equivalent of smoking about 1.4% of a cigarette! I agree there is no need to worry if you are in the states. With that said, not all radiation is the same at the same dosage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 more info on the limit be raised Tepco has raised the limit to 150 milli Sievert, but not more than 100 per stint. But the legal limit has been raised to 250 milli Sievert (NHK World) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I agree there is no need to worry if you are in the states. With that said, not all radiation is the same at the same dosage. True, but if what I'm being told is correct, my compeletely-out-of-my-a** 1 microsievert was actually way too high... and it was closer to 1 nanosievert. So, the equivalent of about 0.1% of a banana falling from the sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 more info on the limit be raised Tepco has raised the limit to 150 milli Sievert, but not more than 100 per stint. But the legal limit has been raised to 250 milli Sievert (NHK World) that's confusing. I believe the legal limit was raised a few days ago from 100 mSV to 250 mSV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 The USA stuff is just so inane and ignorant right now. Radiation detected in California at one millionth etc, just a silly press release. The press feeds the paranoia and dilutes stuff so much that when real disaster strikes it is almost like we do not believe it is as bad as it seems. It is about time for Litchfield Joe to post but the real disaster on the nuclear side is in Japan only right now. It is a regional disaster for now. Things could get worse or better but silly press reporting about the US today just dilutes the real story and gives fodder to guys like Litchfield. Right now the hope is this remains regional only and the prayer is it is isolated to one area. This is nowhere near solved, completely understood or any less of a real crisis than yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 my compeletely-out-of-my-a** 1 microsievert was actually way too high... and it was closer to 1 nanosievert. Did you confirm it with a Geiger Counter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 why are bananas falling from the sky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 why are bananas falling from the sky? Because they are radioactive and traveled across the Pacific to California... duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonli18t Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 why are bananas falling from the sky? freud would have an opinion on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southland Wx Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I realize this is slightly OT, but I'm slightly agitated by the coverage of the radiation hitting the US...in that in a lot of these stories...the fact that it's NOT going to be harmful is getting buried in stories. And some are being very vague about things (leaving the door open that it could have some health impacts), and I think that's very irresponsible. I was annoyed enough, so I blogged it: http://adiabat.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/following-up-on-japan-and-media-mismanagement/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 I realize this is slightly OT, but I'm slightly agitated by the coverage of the radiation hitting the US...in that in a lot of these stories...the fact that it's NOT going to be harmful is getting buried in stories. And some are being very vague about things (leaving the door open that it could have some health impacts), and I think that's very irresponsible. I was annoyed enough, so I blogged it: http://adiabat.wordp...-mismanagement/ Non-stories don't get ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 why are bananas falling from the sky? Better than weenies which are thought to be highly radioactive to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Rueters: cooling has started on the spent fuel pool in reactor 5(I did notice the temp still creeping up now 67.5C a few hours ago) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 TEPCO says Tokyo Fire Dept will commence water spraying on #3 reactor after 13:30, whilst JDF will do the same for #4. (SANKEI,Japanese) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterymix Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Several points....... Yes, radiation has been already detected in California I've got radiation in my basement in the form of radon. It puts California to shame. No doubt, the infinitesimal radiation in my basement is far greater that the stuff that just crossed the Pacific Ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterymix Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Yeah. Those Charlie come lately Chinese have ruined the entire neighborhood. They've put their nuclear power generation program on hold regarding new reactors after observing the difficulties in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 They've put their nuclear power generation program on hold regarding new reactors after observing the difficulties in Japan. So will we. So will Japan. Next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 <br />Better than weenies which are thought to be highly radioactive to some.<br /><br /><br /><br />See how radiation causes mutations.....from particles, to bananas, to hot dogs falling from the sky. Geez, hope there isn't more on the way - can you imagine what will fall if higher amounts are detected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterymix Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 It is all right here: https://cdxnode64.epa.gov/radnet-public/showMap.do Levels over Las Vegas are higher than levels on the Pacific coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mt.Zoniac Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 <br />I've got radiation in my basement in the form of radon.<br /><br />It puts California to shame. No doubt, the infinitesimal radiation in my basement <br /><br />is far greater that the stuff that just crossed the Pacific Ocean.<br /><br /><br />WINTERYMIX: You are comparing apples to oranges. They are entirely different products. Radon originates from decaying natural uranium in the ground, and the only reason it's toxic to humans and animals is that it's concentrated in basements, attics and buildings which are not well ventilated. Radon causes 10,000 cases of cancer each year, but that's because most people haven't tested their basements/attics - or have fixed the main causes: basement floor & wall cracks, open areas around pipes into the house, etc. So it's YOUR FAULT (or the homeowner/building owner). You/they have the ability to fix the problem.<br /><br /> With radionuclides, it's not a matter of choice - humans/animals/plant life are exposed from reactor releases, nuke disasters or weapons testing. You and your fellow brethren or pets don't have a say in the matter unless you flee. Most times you're at the mercy of the weather; which way the wind blows. Nasty substances which will effect you are Cesium - which can travel thousands of miles. Strontium - you MUST remember this one from the 1950s duck & cover/cold war stuff. Then radioactive Iodine, and the rest. This is the collection of elements that is of concern from Japan's early days of the disaster, in addition to noble gasses, which are now over the United States. As days progress and the danger increases..so too the radioactive emissions increase...with the potential of endangering populations. We don't know how much or when, we only know that as the radioactivity and danger increases, so does the effects elsewhere. <br /><br /> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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