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Japan Nuclear Crisis Part II


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Instead of trying to slowly slog though 44 pages of posts......have you guys talked about "the radioactive plume" yet and the projections on where it supposedly was to be at this hour (in the US)? Did you guys see the Plume Graphic?

"For instance, the Japan forecast shows that the radioactive plume will probably miss the agency’s monitoring stations at Midway and in the Hawaiian Islands but is likely to be detected in the Aleutians and at a monitoring station in Sacramento.

The forecast assumes that radioactivity in Japan is released continuously and forms a rising plume. It ends with the plume heading into Southern California and the American Southwest, including Nevada, Utah and Arizona. The plume would have continued eastward if the United Nations scientists had run the projection forward."

http://www.nytimes.c...me.html?_r=1

PLUME GRAPHIC SHOWING TIMEFRAME & PROJECTION INTO SOUTHWEST: http://www.nytimes.c...tml?ref=science

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Instead of trying to slowly slog though 44 pages of posts......have you guys talked about "the radioactive plume" yet and the projections on where it supposedly was to be at this hour (in the US)? Did you guys see the Plume Graphic?

It's BS.

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It's BS.

Hey JoMo..just found this thread so haven't been in the conversation up til now. So you guys are saying the Plume Graphic is fictional and there is no plume heading this way? Didn't hear any of this on the news channels, but found it in the NYT. Thanks.

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Hey JoMo..just found this thread so haven't been in the conversation up til now. So you guys are saying the Plume Graphic is fictional and there is no plume heading this way? Didn't hear any of this on the news channels, but found it in the NYT. Thanks.

I can't answer for him. But its safe to say some of our basements have higher levels of background radiation than what you will find coming over here from Japan.

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Reuters: Japan's nuclear safety agency says there has been a level 5 incident at reactors 1, 2 and 3, and a level 3 incident at reactor 4, of Fukushima Daiichi.

TMI was a level 5 as well.

Just from what we know as of now, I call BS on the Japan nuclear safety agency. TMI was never to this level of threat but for a brief time. This threat has produced more radiation than TMI over a greater area and involves a likely four reactors/ponds. I'll trust the IAEA when they gave this crisis a six on the scale.

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I computed some 06z gfs model trajectories during what appeared to me, to be the most dire time due to the wind direction (Sunday night through Tuesday).

These are started at the site of the plant, ran forward 36 hours starting at 00z Sunday night. Each new plot starts 6 hours later, and run forward for 36 hours. There are using model vertical velocity. The height I choose was 250 m, though I'm sure someone more knowledge on dispersion could critique me on what the optimal height is to use...

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As expected the media and Catastrophe wishers were spewing hype and crap, the US overreacting and telling another country how and what to do and say...........thousands of posts now rendered worthless, and I am sure some are upset they spent so much time on it.

Thank God everything is ok, now hopefully most can focus on the real crisis, the govt did an excellent job standing there ground not succumbing to the ANIMALS known as media.

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As expected the media and Catastrophe wishers were spewing hype and crap, the US overreacting and telling another country how and what to do and say...........thousands of posts now rendered worthless, and I am sure some are upset they spent so much time on it.

Thank God everything is ok, now hopefully most can focus on the real crisis, the govt did an excellent job standing there ground not succumbing to the ANIMALS known as media.

what exactly is your problem that you feel the need to post this garbage every 12 hours?

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As expected the media and Catastrophe wishers were spewing hype and crap, the US overreacting and telling another country how and what to do and say...........thousands of posts now rendered worthless, and I am sure some are upset they spent so much time on it.

Thank God everything is ok, now hopefully most can focus on the real crisis, the govt did an excellent job standing there ground not succumbing to the ANIMALS known as media.

Can you link me where this happened in bold above??

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As expected the media and Catastrophe wishers were spewing hype and crap, the US overreacting and telling another country how and what to do and say...........thousands of posts now rendered worthless, and I am sure some are upset they spent so much time on it.

Thank God everything is ok, now hopefully most can focus on the real crisis, the govt did an excellent job standing there ground not succumbing to the ANIMALS known as media.

I want you to stare at post 863....look real hard, and keep on looking.

When your done looking, ask yourself; does is this looks normal?

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As expected the media and Catastrophe wishers were spewing hype and crap, the US overreacting and telling another country how and what to do and say...........thousands of posts now rendered worthless, and I am sure some are upset they spent so much time on it.

Thank God everything is ok, now hopefully most can focus on the real crisis, the govt did an excellent job standing there ground not succumbing to the ANIMALS known as media.

:lmao:

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what exactly is your problem that you feel the need to post this garbage every 12 hours?

He needs to be zero-posted. Seriously. For all of his bitching about people ignoring the "other" tragedy, I don't seen him posting in the tsunami specific thread. There comes a point when the agenda (whatever that agenda is in this case, I can't tell) is so overwhelming that it needs to be given a timout...

As for news, if this is what is in the msnbc front page write-up:

The ministry said up to 0.17 millisieverts per hour have been detected 18 miles northwest of the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant, according to NHK.

Its officials tested radiation levels between from 9:20 a.m. and 3 p.m. local time on Thursday at 28 spots, in areas 12 to 37 miles from the plant, NHK said.

http://www.msnbc.msn...ws-asiapacific/

then I suspect it is similarly high in a lot of areas within that range around the plant. Gotta think property values are taking a real hit in that area....(attempt at some light humor)

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then I suspect it is similarly high in a lot of areas within that range around the plant. Gotta think property values are taking a real hit in that area....(attempt at some light humor)

I sense an opportunity here...

Buy up land, build a nice resort... warm days for thousands of years. Work on a tan, get that healthy glow

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Reuters: Japan's nuclear safety agency says there has been a level 5 incident at reactors 1, 2 and 3, and a level 3 incident at reactor 4, of Fukushima Daiichi.

TMI was a level 5 as well.

TMI never had containment breaches or exposed spent fuel rod pools. I wonder what parameters they are using to come to this conclusion.

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per the LA times article the US believes that there are holes/cracks in the spent fuel pools caused by the explosions becuase in only a few days pure evoparation wouldn't lower the pool to levels that they are now.

my thoughts:

perhaps more evidence of this is that the fuel pools in 5 and 6 aren't having that many problems(only a slight rise in temps) despite also no have cooling pumps working also

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TMI never had containment breaches or exposed spent fuel rod pools. I wonder what parameters they are using to come to this conclusion.

By the definitions, 5 seems to be correct for now.

Level 6: Serious accident

Impact on People and Environment

Significant release of radioactive material likely to require implementation of planned countermeasures.

Example:

* Kyshtym disaster at Mayak, Soviet Union, 29 September 1957. A failed cooling system at a military nuclear waste reprocessing facility caused a steam explosion that released 70–80 tons of highly radioactive material into the environment. Impact on local population is not fully known.[2]

Level 5: Accident with wider consequences

Impact on People and Environment

Limited release of radioactive ­material likely to require i­mplementation of some planned­ countermeasures.

Several deaths from ­radiation.

Impact on Radiological Barriers and Control

Severe damage to reactor core.

Release of large quantities of radioactive material within an installation with a high probability of significant public exposure. This could arise from a major criticality accident or fire.

Examples:

* Windscale fire (United Kingdom), 10 October 1957. Annealing of graphite moderator at a military air-cooled reactor caused the graphite and the metallic uranium fuel to catch fire, releasing radioactive pile material as dust into the environment.

* Three Mile Island accident near Harrisburg, PA (United States), 28 March 1979. [3] A combination of design and operator errors caused a gradual loss of coolant, leading to a partial meltdown. Radioactive gases were released into the atmosphere.

* First Chalk River Accident,[citation needed] Chalk River, Ontario (Canada), 12 December 1952. Reactor core damaged.

* Goiânia accident (Brazil), 13 September 1987. An unsecured caesium chloride radiation source left in an abandoned hospital was recovered by scavenger thieves unaware of its nature and sold at a scrapyard. 249 people were contaminated and 4 died.

* Fukushima I nuclear accidents (Japan), ongoing since 11 March 2011.

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As expected the media and Catastrophe wishers were spewing hype and crap, the US overreacting and telling another country how and what to do and say...........thousands of posts now rendered worthless, and I am sure some are upset they spent so much time on it.

Thank God everything is ok, now hopefully most can focus on the real crisis, the govt did an excellent job standing there ground not succumbing to the ANIMALS known as media.

You're basing this on what? One report from an agency that may or may not have a hidden agenda?

I have no dog in this fight; I do hope the situation is under control, or will be shortly. In the face of so much contradictory information, it would be wise to reserve judgement until we receive confirmation. Would you agree?

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Most fire pumps are going to be pushing out 1250GPM max. At least in America. Thats also under ideal conditions (well maintained, abundant water supply, low friction loss) I don't know how that relates to the capacity for coolant though.

no.

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By the definitions, 5 seems to be correct for now.

Level 6: Serious accident

Impact on People and Environment

Significant release of radioactive material likely to require implementation of planned countermeasures.

Example:

* Kyshtym disaster at Mayak, Soviet Union, 29 September 1957. A failed cooling system at a military nuclear waste reprocessing facility caused a steam explosion that released 70–80 tons of highly radioactive material into the environment. Impact on local population is not fully known.[2]

so dumping water on reactors from the air and using firetrucks are not countermeasures? Firetrucks can't get close becuase of high radiation isn't a signficant release

we seem to have 3 level 5's? actaully more becuase the spent fuel pools could each be considered an event on their own..since they are each a nuclear waste storage area seperate from the core

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