ArtRosen Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 An explaination of what is happening... in Japanese. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 An explaination of what is happening... in Japanese. That is the best explanation I've heard about this. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacindc Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Interesting new NYTimes piece on the state of things at Fukushima: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/world/asia/18intel.html Read it while it's still free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 NHK: Reactor 5 SFP: 64.5 C Reactor 6 SFP: 64 C But don't worry, they're putting water in there to make sure the spent fuel rods aren't exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 MSNBC is reporting power has been connected to the site. EDIT: to reactor 2 but it hasn't been turned on yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Vapor / Steam / Smoke from 2, 3 and 4 -- looks like the most from #2 -- as of 7am local time. Otherwise there doesn't seem to be much new info. Latest reports are pretty much the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Well it sounds like they somehow got the reactors somewhat stable, with continued seawater pumped in. Perhaps they fixed any potential leaks or ruptures. I wonder how, if at all, did the chopper drops and water cannons work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LakeEffectKing Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I did not advocate "cutting corners"........I simply pointed out that those who do advocate for a level of design that makes a project financially unsound are missing the point really of how planning and the cost of development work.......you just can't blow a bunch of money to design for something that will basically never happen....and your analogy doesn't seem to add up.....are you saying that the relative cost to just put the plant up on stilts to survive a 20 foot tsunami is the same as the relative cost to save a nail? I was drawing comparisons as to the effective cost cutting measure that may be contemplated vs. what is to be gained relative to what "value" the structure has, or will have....seeing as an operational plant generates a few hundred million dollars per year for many years, vs. an initial (one time) construction modification which may add up to a few tens or maybe a hundred thousand dollars equates well with someone building a $250,000 home and "cutting" to save a few pennies on a nail..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Well it sounds like they somehow got the reactors somewhat stable, with continued seawater pumped in. Perhaps they fixed any potential leaks or ruptures. I wonder how, if at all, did the chopper drops and water cannons work. Well, I saw the video of the choppers. Ever tried to pee on a campfire to put it out? Not sure about the cannons, I heard reports that most weren't powerful enough to reach. So they brought in more powerful ones that were able to reach, but didn't hear any results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Well, I saw the video of the choppers. Ever tried to pee on a campfire to put it out? Not sure about the cannons, I heard reports that most weren't powerful enough to reach. So they brought in more powerful ones that were able to reach, but didn't hear any results. They think they got water in there because they see "steam". Of course there's been steam coming out for the past 4 days so I don't know how that's any different. They're going to do more helicopter drops today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 U.S. officials have told NBC News that they're seeing a disparity between Japanese radiation readings and the readings they've been getting from military monitors. Concerns about the release of radiation from Japan's stricken nuclear plants at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex began with data collection on the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan. On Monday, the U.S. Seventh Fleet relocated its ships and aircraft out of the downwind direction after crew members returning to the carrier were found to have picked up low levels of radioactive contamination. The personnel were scrubbed down with soap and water, then declared contamination-free. Since then, the data on radiation releases suggest a range of outcomes, going all the way up to "dire," the officials said. They spoke with NBC on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the findings publicly. http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/17/6290369-us-military-detects-more-radiation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossthread Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Long Shot now posted from the Flyover.... http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/ Spent fuel that by now is pulverized in multiple explosions might separate itself into its components, releasing the gases and other exotic chemistry you get on the long dark way of Uranium to lead. The 11(?) steps in between react with each other and there will be liquids, gasses and one outstanding heavy metal that is denser than all and go to the bottom. If enough of that happens you get hot pockets, and heat just increases the problem as it leads to further degradation, release and possible separation. Think of the liquid terminator. This stuff has a way of concentrating through it's density, reactivity and heat. Also the neutrons of one hot spot inject fresh life into older rods, so their resulting afterglow after the primary radiation also increases the temperature around them. All you need is proximity and time, the rest is mathematics. There are spontaneous nuclear reactors in the earths crust where by a fluke a concentration of Uranium had collected, just to show that it's nothing uncommon. BLACK smoke has been noticed coming out of one of the reactor/buildings=NOT good... here's some main stream MSN, Credits MSNBC Michio Kaku, speaking what could happen.. Right now speaking pissing in a forest fire to put it out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPa6hwWy7x8 his credit's: Kaku currently holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics and a joint appointment at City College of New York,[2] and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York,[3] where he has lectured for more than 30 years.[4] Presently, he is engaged in defining the "Theory of Everything", which seeks to unify the four fundamental forces of the universe: plus more.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku A Longer flyover video has been posted up..... http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iwj7 (nuke sunshine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 IAEA http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plokoon111 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 ^ Thats not good. I want to be happy with the progress, but it just doesn't seem like they have control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poimen Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 like clockwork, with the evening (our time) comes another round of bad news after an afternoon of positive news (relative). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 ^ Thats not good. I want to be happy with the progress, but it just doesn't seem like they have control. It is good news, restarting the cooling sytem is the only way out of this mess, everything else is just to buy time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 The only thing new about that IAEA 'update' is the power grid info and that's even a few hours old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 The only thing new about that IAEA 'update' is the power grid info and that's even a few hours old. AC on CNN: TEPCO says the power restoration the IAEA was reporting is incorrect...they are trying to restore power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 AC on CNN: TEPCO says the power restoration the IAEA was reporting is incorrect...they are trying to restore power. IAEA report didn't state that they restored power. Or at least that's how I read the report and going by what I saw earlier by one of the Japanese agencies. Line has been laid but they haven't flipped the switch so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 ^ Thats not good. I want to be happy with the progress, but it just doesn't seem like they have control. I was wrong earlier when I said that the Japanese were posting false good news to prop up the US economy's stock market. They're doing it so they can prop up their own stock market. You don't post bad news, the Nekki rises. Sorry, but it's now becoming clear via the US Military that the Japanese government is not being fully truthful with its people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Power line is for reactors 1/2 only, 3 steaming sounds like 4 has some water but boiling and it sounds like more rods are there than thought because of construction in other areas according to Nuke Energy presser just on. Water spraying begins again today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Won't the buildings themselves (concrete, steel, etc) become hot (rad wise) after being exposed for a while? Will they ever really be able to get in there even if they can fill up the pools, get power restored, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Hadn't seen this posted...oops.... 2220: Japan turned down an earlier US offer to provide technical support for cooling fuel rods at nuclear reactors hit by a massive earthquake and tsunami, a Japanese newspaper said on Friday, reports AFP. 2226: The Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper, quoting a senior official of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan, said the US made the offer immediately after the disaster damaged Fukushima No 1 nuclear plant. According to the unnamed senior official, US support was based on dismantling the troubled reactors run by Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) some 250 km (155 miles) northeast of Tokyo. However, the government and TEPCO thought the cooling system could be restored by themselves, the report said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Anyone get the feeling this is like watching a terminal friend/ relative go through their last days as the doctors throw everything at them. IDK if there is a fix to 3 and 4, there is just so much damage judging by the flyovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plokoon111 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 ^ Your not the only one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 The media frenzy on CNN and others is slowly waning. Libya is now in the spot light once again. You get the feeling that since power has been restored the media is sounding the all clear. Which is good news if they can finally get control of cooling with restored power. #3 may just have to be encased in concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 FLASH: Japan nuclear agency says reactor No.2 smoke could be steam from spent fuel pool or smoke from explosion in suppression chamber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 The media frenzy on CNN and others is slowly waning. Libya is now in the spot light once again. You get the feeling that since power has been restored the media is sounding the all clear. Which is good news if they can finally get control of cooling with restored power. #3 may just have to be encased in concrete. Power is not restored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Hadn't seen this posted...oops.... 2220: Japan turned down an earlier US offer to provide technical support for cooling fuel rods at nuclear reactors hit by a massive earthquake and tsunami, a Japanese newspaper said on Friday, reports AFP. 2226: The Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper, quoting a senior official of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan, said the US made the offer immediately after the disaster damaged Fukushima No 1 nuclear plant. According to the unnamed senior official, US support was based on dismantling the troubled reactors run by Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO) some 250 km (155 miles) northeast of Tokyo. However, the government and TEPCO thought the cooling system could be restored by themselves, the report said. I knew about the first, but not the second ( the reason for declining the offer.) That's not a "oops." That decision has become a shame (and loss of honor) inducing decision which could lead to suicide. The cultural heritage of suicide as a noble tradition still has some resonance. While being investigated for an expenses scandal, Cabinet minister Toshikatsu Matsuoka took his life in 2007. The governor of Tokyo, Shintaro Ishihara, described him as a "true samurai" for preserving his honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Anyone get the feeling this is like watching a terminal friend relative go through their last days as the doctors throw everything at them. IDK if there is a fix to 3 and 4, there is just so much damage judging by the flyovers. I'll admit it, I was cheering the Earthquake the Tsunami, and the whirlpool (AKA the underdog of natural disasters). I can't say the same for man made disasters like oil spills and nuclear meltdowns. This is hard to watch, I hold my breath every time I hit refresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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