Ed Lizard Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 If there were better protective suits this would be a lot easier to deal with. They really, really need to get back into what's left of the buildings and start putting things back together. Maybe in the future a better protective suit could be invented. An inch of lead is required to reduce the amount of gamma ray radiation to a tenth its initial strength. If there is high enough radiation, even reducing it to 10% may not be enough. And a suit built of an inch of lead all around would be a pain to wear. I can't find the tenth thickness for borated polyethylene, the usual shielding material for neutrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Latest NISA report. It seems to indicate the rods are only partially covered with water, and the pressure of containment vessel of #2 reactor is 75 kpa? http://www.nisa.meti...n20110317-2.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 IAEA live news conference now.... situation remains very serious...but stable since yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 more 1 2 and 3 appear stable situation is very serious at number 4..no info on spent rod pool level for days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 more: some areas around the plant (in 30km) zone have had large increases in radiation levels the past 24 hours....while others don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 CNN breaking: Pentagon says it's offering voluntary evacuation flights to all US military family members on Japan main island, Honshu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yeah, for the next nuclear catastrophe. Something tells me you'd have an issue with any power source. We already know you hate nuclear and oil. I bet wind turbines kill the birds and hydro kills the fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 one more thing--I am glad the Japanese are thinking outside the box. Using riot control trucks is a great idea, however talked with a prof here at work, the water hitting a hot metal rod could do a couple of things, the rod may contract at the point that it is hit with water causing the rod to bend and contort. Also the covering on the rod may break off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Kyodo: NEWS ADVISORY: Pentagon to send 9 experts to help Japan address nuke crisis (01:04) I hope they're sending them in something that flies really fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Latest NISA report. It seems to indicate the rods are only partially covered with water, and the pressure of containment vessel of #2 reactor is 75 kpa? http://www.nisa.meti...n20110317-2.pdf Interesting read. BUT, I noticed a couple oddities, and wonder why these two unit write ups are NOT in date/time order of events. As to where the other unit write ups are.. And the timing of the Unit 4 events are all over the place. The bold items are those which occurred first. <Unit 1> ・ Seawater was injected to the Containment Vessel via the Fire Extinguishing System Line (Started up 11:55 March 13th) →Temporary interruption of the injection (01:10 March 14th) ・ The sound of explosion in Unit 1 occurred. (15:36 March 12nd) ・ Seawater is being injected as of 04:00 March 17th. <Unit 4> ・ It was confirmed that a part of wall in the operation area of Unit 4 was damaged. (06:14 March 15th) ・ The fire at Unit 4 occurred. (09:38 March 15th) TEPCO reported that the fire was extinguished spontaneously. (11:00 March 15th) ・ The temperature of water in the Spent Fuel Storage Pool at Unit 4 had increased. (84 ℃ at 04:08 March 14th) ・ The fire occurred at Unit 4. (5:45 March 15th) TEPCO reported that no fire could be confirmed on the ground.(06:15 March 16th) ・ The water injection is suspented as of 04:00 March 17th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Interesting read. BUT, I noticed a couple oddities, and wonder why these two unit write ups are NOT in date/time order of events. As to where the other unit write ups are.. And the timing of the Unit 4 events are all over the place. The bold items are those which occurred first. <Unit 1> ・ Seawater was injected to the Containment Vessel via the Fire Extinguishing System Line (Started up 11:55 March 13th) →Temporary interruption of the injection (01:10 March 14th) ・ The sound of explosion in Unit 1 occurred. (15:36 March 12nd) ・ Seawater is being injected as of 04:00 March 17th. <Unit 4> ・ It was confirmed that a part of wall in the operation area of Unit 4 was damaged. (06:14 March 15th) ・ The fire at Unit 4 occurred. (09:38 March 15th) TEPCO reported that the fire was extinguished spontaneously. (11:00 March 15th) ・ The temperature of water in the Spent Fuel Storage Pool at Unit 4 had increased. (84 ℃ at 04:08 March 14th) ・ The fire occurred at Unit 4. (5:45 March 15th) TEPCO reported that no fire could be confirmed on the ground.(06:15 March 16th) ・ The water injection is suspented as of 04:00 March 17th. so it was almost boiling 3 days ago....and I beleive that is the last data we have on that ..the IAEA just said they havn't had temp data for that pool for days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Kyodo: NEWS ADVISORY: Pentagon to send 9 experts to help Japan address nuke crisis (01:04) I hope they're sending them in something that flies really fast. Yeah, it's called an airplane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowNH Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 one more thing--I am glad the Japanese are thinking outside the box. Using riot control trucks is a great idea, however talked with a prof here at work, the water hitting a hot metal rod could do a couple of things, the rod may contract at the point that it is hit with water causing the rod to bend and contort. Also the covering on the rod may break off. Well its either that or do nothing a have a meltdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isopycnic Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yeah, it's called an airplane. Slam Dunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowNH Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Kyodo: NEWS ADVISORY: Pentagon to send 9 experts to help Japan address nuke crisis (01:04) I hope they're sending them in something that flies really fast. So when does artrosen leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 1622: Germany has said it will temporarily move its embassy from Tokyo to Osaka as a "preventative measure", amid ongoing fears over a possible radiation leak, reports AFP. The German foreign ministry said in a statement: "The embassy will not be closed. The ambassador and his staff will continue their work in Osaka. They will be able to continue advising German citizens as well as conducting consular services from Osaka." The country advised its citizens to leave the greater Tokyo area on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Looking at the 7-day forecast it appears that the only non-offshore winds will be on Sunday (S 9 km/h) and Sunday night (S 31 km/h). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 1622: Germany has said it will temporarily move its embassy from Tokyo to Osaka as a "preventative measure", amid ongoing fears over a possible radiation leak, reports AFP. The German foreign ministry said in a statement: "The embassy will not be closed. The ambassador and his staff will continue their work in Osaka. They will be able to continue advising German citizens as well as conducting consular services from Osaka." The country advised its citizens to leave the greater Tokyo area on Wednesday. Governments aren't helping the Japanese by doing such things. Seems like a massive overreaction. Nothing that we've seen would indicate an evacuation of Tokyo makes any sense at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 They are preparing for the worst. If the japanese government said everyone has to leave tokyo, it would be infeasable and cause some mass panic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 so it was almost boiling 3 days ago....and I beleive that is the last data we have on that ..the IAEA just said they havn't had temp data for that pool for days Time-line reorganized. <Unit 4> ・ The temperature of water in the Spent Fuel Storage Pool at Unit 4 had increased. (84 ℃ at 04:08 March 14th) ・ The fire occurred at Unit 4. (5:45 March 15th) ・ It was confirmed that a part of wall in the operation area of Unit 4 was damaged. (06:14 March 15th) ・ The fire at Unit 4 occurred. (09:38 March 15th) TEPCO reported that the fire was extinguished spontaneously. (11:00 March 15th) TEPCO reported that no fire could be confirmed on the ground. (06:15 March 16th) (Typo on the date?) ・ The water injection is suspented as of 04:00 March 17th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Completely agree, Increases in radiation close to Tokyo are completely inconsequential with regards to effects on human health and the prevailing winds would not carry much in that direction in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yeah, it's called an airplane. Yeah I have no idea why your posts have attracted such vitriol. They're not condescending or uninformative at all. What I meant, which was I assume extremely obvious to anyone who's reading this thread for a purpose other than finding posts to troll, is that I hope they use military aircraft to fly them there rather than tossing them on a commercial airline and hoping there's still a situation to save 2 days from now. I just don't understand the lack of urgency it seems the Japanese are operating with. They couldn't continue working on the power because there were trucks spraying water? There is hazardous levels of radiation on land right now with a strong wind blowing offshore. Don't they realize it's going to hit the fan when the winds go onshore on Friday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiaWx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 They are preparing for the worst. If the japanese government said everyone has to leave tokyo, it would be infeasable and cause some mass panic exactly, if there really is a problem of radiation in Tokyo in the near future, I bet the Japanese government is weighing the amount of destruction mass panic would bring and the logistics of evacuating over 10,000,000 people versus the slight risk (at this point) of major health problems effecting Tokyo residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacindc Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 There's a lot of focus on Tokyo (people worried about radiation there, followed by NBD people saying that there's no worry about radiation there) -- Japan isn't just Tokyo. There has to be some assumption that the area around the Fukushima plant is going to be uninhabitable for a long long time. How close would you feel comfortable living? What if the US government one day said, gosh, sorry, everyone within a 50 mile zone around the Crystal River plant in Florida has to evacuate because of an accident. Tampa/St. Pete (90ish miles to the south) might not have radiation levels that would cause illness, but do you think that would then make anything happening in the Crystal River area no big deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Oh I agree they can't evacuate Tokyo. But there's 240km from the plant to Tokyo, you would think they could have greatly expanded the evacuation zone without causing a stampede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick G Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 There's a lot of focus on Tokyo (people worried about radiation there, followed by NBD people saying that there's no worry about radiation there) -- Japan isn't just Tokyo. There has to be some assumption that the area around the Fukushima plant is going to be uninhabitable for a long long time. How close would you feel comfortable living? What if the US government one day said, gosh, sorry, everyone within a 50 mile zone around the Crystal River plant in Florida has to evacuate because of an accident. Tampa/St. Pete (90ish miles to the south) might not have radiation levels that would cause illness, but do you think that would then make anything happening in the Crystal River area no big deal? I agree with you on the Tokyo part. Japan has one of the highest population densities on the planet. losing a few hundred square miles will make a crowded situation even worse. I wonder what the long term plans would be if this continues to develop like Chernobyl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Gov't orders local authorities to test for radioactivity in foods TOKYO, March 18, Kyodo http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/79062.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 i like the long hose idea.. maybe send the japanese gov that one via e-mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yeah, it's called an airplane. lmao this thread is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiaWx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 i like the long hose idea.. maybe send the japanese gov that one via e-mail. I sense sarcasm..... I'd bet my life the Japanese already have a think tank setup with some great minds.... Be willing to bet they have explored the hose option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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