SuperNET Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Would you? If i was in the situation, I probably wouldn't. I'm specifically referring to the 800 workers that are off-site and on the payroll. If they don't want to return then I would accept volunteers if any were available. I don't think I would for my power company either, all they do is send me bills....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I know there are few comparisons but I dunno if Chernobyl is a valuable one anymore as we seem likely to either near or perhaps greatly top it. It went bad so fast the answers were easy. This is a slow burn.. and while some may "have seen it coming" they might also have been the same folks who thought a whole town of 70,000 was washed into the sea. It may actually be a fault of the current age that we feel like we have so many alternatives to try to keep it from going all the way bad that we waste time with them when there is really only one answer. Again, this feels sort of like watching them pump the well with golf balls when we knew it probably would not work. Yeah, sometimes brute force is the only option. I remember that "junk shot" and "top kill" nonsense from the BP spill. It does seem similar to trying to tame a runaway nuclear pile with a fire hose. Funny how the answer to so many of our greatest man-made disasters is to entomb the whole thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterymix Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 NYT--a clear disconnect between the US gov't and Japanese gov't http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/world/asia/17nuclear.html?_r=1&ref=world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I'm specifically referring to the 800 workers that are off-site and on the payroll. If they don't want to return then I would accept volunteers if any were available. I don't think I would for my power company either, all they do is send me bills....lol I am suprised they aren't sending in the military to assist. You would think they would have specialized NBC teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I'm specifically referring to the 800 workers that are off-site and on the payroll. If they don't want to return then I would accept volunteers if any were available. I don't think I would for my power company either, all they do is send me bills....lol They could offer free electricity for life to help. That would probably turn out to be a good deal for the power company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Do the Soviets still have any remote controlled bulldozers they could loan? Some non-radioactive ones would be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Defense Minister is about to have a presser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 0201: Water spraying operations have been temporaily suspended and helicopters have left the area of the Fukushima Daiichi plant, NHK reports. A Tokyo police unit is set to use water spray vehicles to continue cooling operations. The Japanese defence minister is about to give an update on how the water drops went. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 NYT--a clear disconnect between the US gov't and Japanese gov't http://www.nytimes.c...?_r=1&ref=world as i posted earlier this morning..it must be a culture thing..but the japanese seem they won't report anything as fact until they have everything 100% confrimed..can't be any doubt or they won't confirm it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 expert on CNN making the point the helicopters stayed 80-100 yards above the reactors.....suspected it was bcuase of very high radiation 11 water cannon on the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Finally some good news 0209 : The power supply to the stricken Japanese nuclear plant could partially resume in the afternoon, the Kyodo agency reports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Finally some good news 0209 : The power supply to the stricken Japanese nuclear plant could partially resume in the afternoon, the Kyodo agency reports it could be... wont do any good if they don't have any pumps...they kist said they are trying to build a makeshift pump that won't be damaged by seawater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plokoon111 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 So having power installed, how will that help cool down some of these reactors? Because looking at the damage, the pipes look wrecked, and the structure is warped. It is good news, but maybe there might be another idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I'm not an expert, nor do I play one on TV, but I don't understand how this could be worst than Chernobyl. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8387051/Japan-nuclear-plant-Just-48-hours-to-avoid-another-Chernobyl.html Japan has 48 hours to bring its rapidly escalating nuclear crisis under control before it faces a catastrophe “worse than Chernobyl”, it was claimed last night. Francois Baroin, a French government spokesman, went further, saying: “In the worst of cases, it could have an impact worse than Chernobyl.” He added: “They have visibly lost the essential of control.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Even if they get power back they have to get people inside those buldings to fix and/or rebuild the pumps and those radiation levels are deadly. This is assuming the structures are physically safe enough after the explosions. Its not like you flick a switch, the pumps kick in, and everything goes back to the way it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 A lot of those guys probably had no idea that it was a sucide mission. I'm sure the Japanese workers are fully aware of the situation. they knew what they were doing. The government paid their families for their sacrifice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I'm not an expert, nor do I play one on TV, but I don't understand how this could be worst than Chernobyl. http://www.telegraph...-Chernobyl.html Japan has 48 hours to bring its rapidly escalating nuclear crisis under control before it faces a catastrophe “worse than Chernobyl”, it was claimed last night. Francois Baroin, a French government spokesman, went further, saying: “In the worst of cases, it could have an impact worse than Chernobyl.” He added: “They have visibly lost the essential of control.” Probably due to the high population density of Japan. Chernobyl was in the middle of nowhere (apart from Pypriat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 So having power installed, how will that help cool down some of these reactors? Because looking at the damage, the pipes look wrecked, and the structure is warped. It is good news, but maybe there might be another idea. Electricity can be good if the coolant system actually works. if it doesn't, than all of this hope is all for naught. I dunno.. if I were dying I would want a doctor to tell me straight up, give me a timeframe, tell me when and where and let me prepare for the worst. Somehow the people running this show here aren't doing that... they're trying to make it look like there's still hope. They have been wrong so many times, most if not everyone has lost faith in them. Either this time they have the ace up their sleeves or they're gambling and hoping for a miracle. If I were a betting man, I would say that there is no full meltdown/explosion of the core of any of these plants. I don't think it's going to happen. I definitely think people should evacuate and get the hell out of dodge just in case.. but I just don't see it happening. I know everything else is pointing in the other direction, where a full meltdown could occur in one or more of the reactors, but my gut and my faith in G-d tell me it's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 once again as pointed out this morning it doesn't make sense the radiation level is below a level that will "harm human health" but the helicopters can't get close and can only be there a short time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowNH Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Even if they get power back they have to get people inside those buldings to fix and/or rebuild the pumps and those radiation levels are deadly. This is assuming the structures are physically safe enough after the explosions. Its not like you flick a switch, the pumps kick in, and everything goes back to the way it was. Exactly I have a funny feeling that this is going to be just like the BP oil spill.. it gets huge coverage until the worst is over and then everyday it slowly moves back in the headlines until all the news agencies only cover it when there are major steps forward or nothing else to cover.. just like BP.. I noticed that CNN actually focused much more time on the Libya crisis today than previous days.. I do think the worst is over here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Exactly I have a funny feeling that this is going to be just like the BP oil spill.. it gets huge coverage until the worst is over and then everyday it slowly moves back in the headlines until all the news agencies only cover it when there are major steps forward or nothing else to cover.. just like BP.. I noticed that CNN actually focused much more time on the Libya crisis today than previous days.. I do think the worst is over here.. LOL are you watching CNN now? try again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 87.7 milliservers per hour at 300 meters recorded by helicopters edit: who knows if it correct may be a translation error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plokoon111 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 ^ Thats high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 With the roofs gone and pools exposed, it would be interesting if any night flyovers show the brilliant blue glow of Cherenkov Radiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Pretty sure the 87.7 millisieverts was at 300m...which is still not as bad as I thought it was going to be, although I suppose the wind is helping sweep it offshore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowNH Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Isn't it awesome how awesome our country is? Japan gets destroyed.. lets call the u.s Haiti gets destroyed.. lets call the u.s Chile miners gets trapped.. lets call the u.s Meteor is coming.. lets call??? Maybe Russia Honestly though we do everything for the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 PM news conference starting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Come on guys, coordinate these things, you say nothing for half a day then everyone has a PC at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plokoon111 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Link? http://globaltravelerinternational.blogspot.com/2011/03/nhk-tokyo-japan-live-tv.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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