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Japan Nuclear Crisis Part II


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I hope Ian is right and we have some tricks up our sleeves and can help them!!

i was talking about military and technical assistance that we have been giving them since very shortly after the tsunami. i didnt say we could save them.. maybe help give them a fighting chance though.

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What upsets me is this. Right now they have a nice day, clear skies, although chilly, with a stiff breeze blowing whatever is be emitted straight out to sea. If #4 goes, which seems at the very least to be a definite possibility, the 20km evac zone is not going to be sufficient with onshore winds and a zirconium fire. Today is the perfect day to extend the perimeter as a precaution and they're doing nothing. That bothers me because there really is no reason not to do it other than saving face.

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TEPCO news statement

water lowering in number 5, pressure rising

they have to try and rebuild the pumps....even after they get power back to the area

This has been my main point for days, too much damage , multiple reactors, multiple overwhelming issues for a small staff of techs. Working in exposure for minutes at a time. It's godawful.

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I reread it and think I understand you are referring to the ability to control the situation, hopefully I got it right this time.

Yes, I am not saying folks are not in danger. I am saying worrying about every bump in radiation readings right now is not really sensible. No one outside the closest workers will suffer any real health effects unless this gets worse. The bigger picture comes when you look at the overall setup, which has the POTENTIAL to get pretty bad and endanger health far afield.

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if only we could make them detect radiation too

i believe a full cbrn detection system is in the works for drones.. something simple could be operational. we have options for that as phin noted.

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Yes, I am not saying folks are not in danger. I am saying worrying about every bump in radiation readings right now is not really sensible. No one outside the closest workers will suffer any real health effects unless this gets worse. The bigger picture comes when you look at the overall setup, which has the POTENTIAL to get pretty bad and endanger health far afield.

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i was talking about military and technical assistance that we have been giving them since very shortly after the tsunami. i didnt say we could save them.. maybe help give them a fighting chance though.

We can provide more bodies and equipment, but there is no magic bullet solution despite how much we want it to be. There is a really small sample size for events like this and usually the response is suicide teams and irradiated bulldozers/helicopters trying the bury the whole thing in a tomb.

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The aircraft that does that is a flying laboratory.

http://en.wikipedia....onstant_Phoenix

I know that one....was talked about earlier today.

do the drones have the ability to carry interchangeable pods....instead of missiles.....what to they call those dam mounting points....my brain is totally messed up right now my wife put on Idol and its really bad!! hard points?

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TEPCO news statement

water lowering in number 5, pressure rising

they have to try and rebuild the pumps....even after they get power back to the area

It's kind of concerning that for days they claimed they had a working generator to take care of reactor 5, and now they're like, "yeah we got nothing... we'll have to restore power and replace the pumps". I mean WTF they have a staff of 800 people over there but they didn't want to address this situation until the last minute? Do they thrive on drama?

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It's kind of concerning that for days they claimed they had a working generator to take care of reactor 5, and now they're like, "yeah we got nothing... we'll have to restore power and replace the pumps". I mean WTF they have a staff of 800 people over there but they didn't want to address this situation until the last minute? Do they thrive on drama?

Kinda like this thread.

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It's kind of concerning that for days they claimed they had a working generator to take care of reactor 5, and now they're like, "yeah we got nothing... we'll have to restore power and replace the pumps". I mean WTF they have a staff of 800 people over there but they didn't want to address this situation until the last minute? Do they thrive on drama?

They all need to come back and help, health concerns notwithstanding....

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Anderson Cooper says all the info is coming from the company who runs the plant and they are not any more trustworthy than BP was last year about the oil spill.

That one quote about not in any manuals was enough however to tell what's probably going on.

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i believe a full cbrn detection system is in the works for drones.. something simple could be operational. we have options for that as phin noted.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if we have a simple UAV-mounted system to just detect gamma rays or something. The WC-135 is used to ID radioactive elements to get a better picture of what has been released (or more specifically what sort of nuclear weapon was detonated).

Just knowing the level of gamma radiation around an area isn't very useful for planning evacuations and cleanups since there are differences in how you handle materials that decay into alpha/beta particles vs gamma particles.

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did you watch it live? It didn't look like much was hitting the target.

i only saw a clip on tv. the weather does not seem too conducive to dropping water on a small target unless you're really low.

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Would you? If i was in the situation, I probably wouldn't.

Honestly I have no idea. Being in my 30s now, I have learned that there are things worse than death, and I'm not sure if I could live with myself if I walked away and watched it melt down. That said, the closest thing to life or death situations I face are trying to get my kids to eat when I cook something besides the 3 meals they like.

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It is starting to seem like they lack the do-or-die guts of the Soviets...

Just get in there with the bulldozers and water pumps, guys.

I know there are few comparisons but I dunno if Chernobyl is a valuable one anymore as we seem likely to either near or perhaps greatly top it. It went bad so fast the answers were easy. This is a slow burn.. and while some may "have seen it coming" they might also have been the same folks who thought a whole town of 70,000 was washed into the sea. It may actually be a fault of the current age that we feel like we have so many alternatives to try to keep it from going all the way bad that we waste time with them when there is really only one answer. Again, this feels sort of like watching them pump the well with golf balls when we knew it probably would not work.

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