SP Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 sub-threads ftw it needs a master link page.....where is Sarcus??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 NHK World: Original plan was to target Reactor 4. But TEPCO said the priority should be Reactor 3. This implies that the water is falling faster in Reactor 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I hope Ian is right and we have some tricks up our sleeves and can help them!! i was talking about military and technical assistance that we have been giving them since very shortly after the tsunami. i didnt say we could save them.. maybe help give them a fighting chance though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 What upsets me is this. Right now they have a nice day, clear skies, although chilly, with a stiff breeze blowing whatever is be emitted straight out to sea. If #4 goes, which seems at the very least to be a definite possibility, the 20km evac zone is not going to be sufficient with onshore winds and a zirconium fire. Today is the perfect day to extend the perimeter as a precaution and they're doing nothing. That bothers me because there really is no reason not to do it other than saving face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 TEPCO news statement water lowering in number 5, pressure rising they have to try and rebuild the pumps....even after they get power back to the area This has been my main point for days, too much damage , multiple reactors, multiple overwhelming issues for a small staff of techs. Working in exposure for minutes at a time. It's godawful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I reread it and think I understand you are referring to the ability to control the situation, hopefully I got it right this time. Yes, I am not saying folks are not in danger. I am saying worrying about every bump in radiation readings right now is not really sensible. No one outside the closest workers will suffer any real health effects unless this gets worse. The bigger picture comes when you look at the overall setup, which has the POTENTIAL to get pretty bad and endanger health far afield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 if only we could make them detect radiation too i believe a full cbrn detection system is in the works for drones.. something simple could be operational. we have options for that as phin noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Yes, I am not saying folks are not in danger. I am saying worrying about every bump in radiation readings right now is not really sensible. No one outside the closest workers will suffer any real health effects unless this gets worse. The bigger picture comes when you look at the overall setup, which has the POTENTIAL to get pretty bad and endanger health far afield. Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 NHK World: Original plan was to target Reactor 4. But TEPCO said the priority should be Reactor 3. This implies that the water is falling faster in Reactor 3. I guess it could also be that they are more concerned about the MOX fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 i was talking about military and technical assistance that we have been giving them since very shortly after the tsunami. i didnt say we could save them.. maybe help give them a fighting chance though. We can provide more bodies and equipment, but there is no magic bullet solution despite how much we want it to be. There is a really small sample size for events like this and usually the response is suicide teams and irradiated bulldozers/helicopters trying the bury the whole thing in a tomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 The aircraft that does that is a flying laboratory. http://en.wikipedia....onstant_Phoenix I know that one....was talked about earlier today. do the drones have the ability to carry interchangeable pods....instead of missiles.....what to they call those dam mounting points....my brain is totally messed up right now my wife put on Idol and its really bad!! hard points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperNET Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 #5 has issues as well as #4 fuel pool has issues.... It's pretty robust now....5 systems in a steep decline, including some fuel pools... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 AC says of 4 drops only one hit the target. Not saying he is an accurate source.. he like the drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Somewhere earlier I read they were hoping to restore power to the plant. If they are still using helicopter drops and water cannons this obviously must not have happened or the infrastructure was too seriously damaged to power the cooling. Anyone hear additional info on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 TEPCO news statement water lowering in number 5, pressure rising they have to try and rebuild the pumps....even after they get power back to the area It's kind of concerning that for days they claimed they had a working generator to take care of reactor 5, and now they're like, "yeah we got nothing... we'll have to restore power and replace the pumps". I mean WTF they have a staff of 800 people over there but they didn't want to address this situation until the last minute? Do they thrive on drama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 You would think they could come up with something...I mean duct tape a damn geiger counter and an iphone onto it to stream video if you have to. I'm kinda joking, but hell that may work, so you'd think something a bit more thought out could definitely work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 AC says of 4 drops only one hit the target. Not saying he is an accurate source.. he like the drama. did you watch it live? It didn't look like much was hitting the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isopycnic Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 It's kind of concerning that for days they claimed they had a working generator to take care of reactor 5, and now they're like, "yeah we got nothing... we'll have to restore power and replace the pumps". I mean WTF they have a staff of 800 people over there but they didn't want to address this situation until the last minute? Do they thrive on drama? Kinda like this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperNET Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 It's kind of concerning that for days they claimed they had a working generator to take care of reactor 5, and now they're like, "yeah we got nothing... we'll have to restore power and replace the pumps". I mean WTF they have a staff of 800 people over there but they didn't want to address this situation until the last minute? Do they thrive on drama? They all need to come back and help, health concerns notwithstanding.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I guess it could also be that they are more concerned about the MOX fuel. bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 they also said they have to build a pump that won't be damaged by seawater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Anderson Cooper says all the info is coming from the company who runs the plant and they are not any more trustworthy than BP was last year about the oil spill. That one quote about not in any manuals was enough however to tell what's probably going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 They all need to come back and help, health concerns notwithstanding.... Would you? If i was in the situation, I probably wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 i believe a full cbrn detection system is in the works for drones.. something simple could be operational. we have options for that as phin noted. I wouldn't be shocked at all if we have a simple UAV-mounted system to just detect gamma rays or something. The WC-135 is used to ID radioactive elements to get a better picture of what has been released (or more specifically what sort of nuclear weapon was detonated). Just knowing the level of gamma radiation around an area isn't very useful for planning evacuations and cleanups since there are differences in how you handle materials that decay into alpha/beta particles vs gamma particles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 did you watch it live? It didn't look like much was hitting the target. i only saw a clip on tv. the weather does not seem too conducive to dropping water on a small target unless you're really low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 did you watch it live? It didn't look like much was hitting the target. They were too high up to be effective, but had to be to avoid the radiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 AC says of 4 drops only one hit the target. Not saying he is an accurate source.. he like the drama. It is starting to seem like they lack the do-or-die guts of the Soviets... Just get in there with the bulldozers and water pumps, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Would you? If i was in the situation, I probably wouldn't. Honestly I have no idea. Being in my 30s now, I have learned that there are things worse than death, and I'm not sure if I could live with myself if I walked away and watched it melt down. That said, the closest thing to life or death situations I face are trying to get my kids to eat when I cook something besides the 3 meals they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 It is starting to seem like they lack the do-or-die guts of the Soviets... Just get in there with the bulldozers and water pumps, guys. I know there are few comparisons but I dunno if Chernobyl is a valuable one anymore as we seem likely to either near or perhaps greatly top it. It went bad so fast the answers were easy. This is a slow burn.. and while some may "have seen it coming" they might also have been the same folks who thought a whole town of 70,000 was washed into the sea. It may actually be a fault of the current age that we feel like we have so many alternatives to try to keep it from going all the way bad that we waste time with them when there is really only one answer. Again, this feels sort of like watching them pump the well with golf balls when we knew it probably would not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 It is starting to seem like they lack the do-or-die guts of the Soviets... A lot of those guys probably had no idea that it was a sucide mission. I'm sure the Japanese workers are fully aware of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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