AppsRunner Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Why no boats with large heavy duty fire fighting capabilities? It would seem to be more effective than helicopters, no? If the goal is just to chuck water at it, why not use more volume? I would assume the Tsunami was responsible for a lot of boat damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 japan has requested u.s. aid to monitor and curtail the crisis. we have equipment no one else does that could be crucial here. if so...let's do it and gain some mojo back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roardog Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 People are talking about the helicopters there... but the image below, taken from TEPCO's Webcams, looks more like a parachuter? Must be parachuting water in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 It seems they are extra averse to making public comments that could cause panic. Given the situation following the earthquake that's perhaps more understandable than normal. They are already teetering along even if not for this. Based on how much we are involved in the process I do believe that the Japanese gov is fully aware of the situation and I am skeptical that the power company is calling all the shots. We heard this same kind of stuff with the oil leak. I havent followed the radiation obs but I'd be leery of reading too much into it with strong offshore winds currently over the area. Folks are reading too much into the radiation levels. All they really affect right now is the ability for workers to get near the core. There is no real threat to anyone outside the plant right now. We hear stuff about "levels at 100 times" this and "a years dose in a week" that but most of that is still FUD if you look at the real health impacts. The better picture comes when you look at the overall context and setup. That is the real risk element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 People are talking about the helicopters there... but the image below, taken from TEPCO's Webcams, looks more like a parachuter? water bucket below a helicopter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperNET Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Good post. It's important to also keep in mind that there are powerful special interests that would love to destroy the nuclear power industry. Plus the media knows what sells -- if they just reported the news, there wouldn't be any viewers. They need to sensationalize everything. I saw an interesting post on WattsUpWithThat blog (normally everything there should is crap), but this was a decent post. We've heard so much in recent days about TMI and Chernobyl, but it really put things in perspective, pointing out that the death toll was 0 from TMI and 56 from Chernobyl. 11 people died last year from a rig explosion alone. How many miners have died through the years? Coal and oil are the real killers, not even considering their environmental impacts -- which are horrendous. So far, nobody has died from this. 10,000+ have perished from a devastating earthquake and ensuing tsunami. This really needs to be put in perspective. When a plane crashes, lots of people die. Should we get rid of the airline industry everytime a plane crashes? Of course, not. We should re-evaluate our safety standards and move on. Nuclear is just the boogeyman of the day. That's not even close to being accurate, not remotely close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperNET Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I would assume the Tsunami was responsible for a lot of boat damage. S. Korea, China, New Zealand, Austrraila, anyone in the pacific region....It's time to step up to the plate and help Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppsRunner Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 water bucket below a helicopter I don't know why I couldn't see that earlier. Hm. Either way it appears the reactors aren't really showing any drastic improvements from dropping water there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Some of you have invested days on this topic, this thread, I know we all are pulling for the most likely outcome, the loss of a power plant, contaminiation in soil and ground water adjacent to the site. Beyond that its really grasping for straws and starting to get a little creepy. Meanwhile the death toll continues to rise and the story continues to play out in regards to the true crisis in Japan right now, scare tactics have sold a lot of advertising space lately though, I will give them that. You know, you pulled this same routine last night. And what you NEED to understand is that in times of crisis, where a feeling of powerlessness is rampant, not everyone responds the same way. I intellectualize my sadness that a country with a culture of people who are the most wonderful I've found, is being sucker punched repeatedly, and there is NOTHING I CAN DO to stop it. So please, since you are obviously comfortable feeling that emotional pain over and over and over again, GO FEEL IT FOR ME. In the meantime, I'll stay focused on the Nuclear crisis, which may end up adding quite a bit of insult, to the injury you are focused on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 In response to the last page, they've already announced we're flying drones to monitor the situation. I assume the Japanese government requested this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isopycnic Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 People are talking about the helicopters there... but the image below, taken from TEPCO's Webcams, looks more like a parachuter? Are you really this dumb in RL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 In response to the last page, they've already announced we're flying drones to monitor the situation. I assume the Japanese government requested this. This thread needs a FAQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Why no boats with large heavy duty fire fighting capabilities? It would seem to be more effective than helicopters, no? If the goal is just to chuck water at it, why not use more volume? I was thinking about that but I figured the port isn't deep enough? I don't think we could get a military ship in there. Plus there's an offshore wind and then there are the radiation fears. The idea just seems like such a desperate attempt. They're not going to get any water into the containment vessel and my understanding is that the pools require a large volume of water, which would be hard to obtain with these sprays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Road Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 This thread needs a FAQ What about an hourly update from one person in charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 In response to the last page, they've already announced we're flying drones to monitor the situation. I assume the Japanese government requested this. Yes, we know. Those drones are not measuring radiation levels in the control room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Folks are reading too much into the radiation levels. All they really affect right now is the ability for workers to get near the core. There is no real threat to anyone outside the plant right now. We hear stuff about "levels at 100 times" this and "a years dose in a week" that but most of that is still FUD if you look at the real health impacts. The better picture comes when you look at the overall context and setup. That is the real risk element. Cesium detected in ground water, that's context, if anyone thinks this is confined to the plant. I certainly hope so but cracked reactors etc. Not trying to amplify but come on man, this is not a NBD situation at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Folks are reading too much into the radiation levels. All they really affect right now is the ability for workers to get near the core. There is no real threat to anyone outside the plant right now. We hear stuff about "levels at 100 times" this and "a years dose in a week" that but most of that is still FUD if you look at the real health impacts. The better picture comes when you look at the overall context and setup. That is the real risk element. im not quite up on what we're left to see if it gets worse. it seems a lot of the effects would be longer term though. that's no good obviously but people will get bored of that eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Cesium detected in ground water, that's context, if anyone thinks this is confined to the plant. I certainly hope so but cracked reactors etc. Not trying to amplify but come on man, this is not a NBD situation at all. You have been misreading my posts for a couple of days now. I can't make my posts any clearer, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonli18t Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 I would assume the Tsunami was responsible for a lot of boat damage. LOVE the avatar there buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 In response to the last page, they've already announced we're flying drones to monitor the situation. I assume the Japanese government requested this. The U.S. military, meanwhile, will operate a Global Hawk unmanned high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft, possibly on Thursday, to take images of the inside of the building that houses the No. 4 reactor, according to Japanese government sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 global hawk is the answer to 98% of the worlds ills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 global hawk is the answer to 98% of the worlds ills if only we could make them detect radiation too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 ok......I watched the whole helicopter thing......and beleive me.... I really really hope it helps in some way...really.... but I completely fell on the floor laughing......for some dam reason all I could think of is a cartoon.....the four reactors operating at temps ranging from 65-100c in the exposed pools while reactor cores try to encase molten radioactive rods at temps above 1000C.......and someone cries out we need to do something and pours a bucket of water on it from 300ft. Its sad....really...... to think they are going to try the same thing with a straw........ I hope Ian is right and we have some tricks up our sleeves and can help them!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relic Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 This thread needs a FAQ sub-threads ftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 im not quite up on what we're left to see if it gets worse. it seems a lot of the effects would be longer term though. that's no good obviously but people will get bored of that eventually. The big threat is from two sources I think: (1) explosions toss nasty radioactive wastes like caesium-137 and strontium-90 into the atmosphere where they can disperse around the area and (2) said waste gets into the groundwater by seeping through the bottom of the plant and contaminates the water table for many decades. There is little health impact just from the small releases occurring now unless you are a worker very near the core being bombarded with gamma rays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 if only we could make them detect radiation too maybe they can.....sample.....?? Or another drone with pods....Phin might know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazey Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 It seems they are extra averse to making public comments that could cause panic. Given the situation following the earthquake that's perhaps more understandable than normal. They are already teetering along even if not for this. Based on how much we are involved in the process I do believe that the Japanese gov is fully aware of the situation and I am skeptical that the power company is calling all the shots. We heard this same kind of stuff with the oil leak. I havent followed the radiation obs but I'd be leery of reading too much into it with strong offshore winds currently over the area. I think that's the real reason why the are being tight lipped. It's not like the PM's spokesman was lying he just wasn't being open as he could be. I mean seriously what are they supposed to do. Throw there hands up and say "The sky is falling' run for your lives" Really?? What would that accomplish. Cause mass panic in Tokyo as people scramble to get the F**k out of Dodge. Ask yourselves this. If the roles were reversed and it was Cali that was facing this disaster, Do you think Jaczko would be this blunt with his dire statement??? and do you think the Japanese media would be calling over and grilling people for the truth??? I highly doubt it. We are smart folks(at least I think we are) I'm sure we have a good idea whats really going on. Apparently that Elliot Spitzer dope doesn't get it. Asking the same question like 5 times. Like as if to say the American people demand the truth. Well guess what? it doesn't really matter to us. I'm sure the Japanese government knows the extreme situation they face and so far the people there have been calm and orderly which is very commendable considering what they have and continue to go through. I don't think causing sheer panic is going to help any. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 You have been misreading my posts for a couple of days now. I can't make my posts any clearer, guys. I reread it and think I understand you are referring to the ability to control the situation, hopefully I got it right this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 TEPCO news statement water lowering in number 5, pressure rising they have to try and rebuild the pumps....even after they get power back to the area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 maybe they can.....sample.....?? Or another drone with pods.... The aircraft that does that is a flying laboratory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_WC-135_Constant_Phoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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