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March 20-23 Severe Threat


Jim Martin

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LAF 65 and Goshen 45 at present. Since I'm ne of the retreating warm front I do think I might see some good hail cores in a few hours with lift from the LLJ pointed in my direction. Gil Sebenste of NIU Weather always says warm fronts can turn active at night with prolific lightning displays.

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BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL

754 PM CDT SUN MAR 20 2011

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN CHICAGO HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...

SOUTHERN COOK COUNTY IN NORTHEAST ILLINOIS...

SOUTHERN DUPAGE COUNTY IN NORTHEAST ILLINOIS...

NORTHWESTERN WILL COUNTY IN NORTHEAST ILLINOIS...

* UNTIL 815 PM CDT

* AT 746 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A

LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE...

OR 1 INCH DIAMETER...HAIL. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED ALONG A

LINE EXTENDING FROM YORK CENTER TO PLAINFIELD...AND MOVING EAST AT

60 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...

MAYWOOD...LEMONT...RIVER FOREST...BURR RIDGE...LA GRANGE...FOREST

PARK...BROOKFIELD...OAK PARK...RIVERSIDE...HOMER GLEN...WILLOW

SPRINGS...LYONS...BERWYN...SUMMIT...CICERO...JUSTICE...STICKNEY...

ORLAND PARK...MIDWAY AIRPORT AND LINCOLN PARK.

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DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

1245 AM CDT MON MAR 21 2011

VALID 221200Z - 231200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS TUE/TUE NIGHT FROM PARTS OF THE

CNTRL PLAINS THROUGH THE MID MS VALLEY...SOUTHWARD INTO THE SRN

PLAINS...

..SYNOPSIS

MODELS REMAIN CONSISTENT CONCERNING THE LARGE-SCALE PATTERN

EVOLUTION THROUGH THIS FORECAST PERIOD. A BLOCKING UPPER RIDGE IS

PROGGED TO EVOLVE TO THE EAST OF THE CANADIAN ROCKIES...WITH A LARGE

HIGH CENTER STRENGTHENING OVER THE CENTRAL CANADIAN PROVINCES DURING

THE DAY TUESDAY. AS THIS PROCEEDS...A LARGE UPPER TROUGH...LIFTING

THROUGH THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST AND ROCKIES BY 12Z TUESDAY...SHOULD

GRADUALLY BE FORCED EASTWARD INTO AN INCREASINGLY CONFLUENT REGIME

ACROSS THE UPPER MIDWEST...WHILE ANOTHER AMPLIFYING SHORT WAVE

TROUGH DIGS TOWARD THE CALIFORNIA COAST.

WITHIN THE LEAD WAVE...A SIGNIFICANT EMBEDDED IMPULSE EMERGING FROM

THE SOUTHERN ROCKIES IS STILL FORECAST TO PIVOT INTO AND NORTHEAST

OF THE MID/LOWER MISSOURI VALLEY IN INCREASINGLY NEGATIVELY TILTED

FASHION BY TUESDAY EVENING. THIS SHOULD RESULT IN STRONG MID-LEVEL

HEIGHT FALLS OVERSPREADING THE WARM SECTOR OF A SUB 1000 MB SURFACE

LOW MIGRATING ACROSS THE MID MISSOURI VALLEY AND UPPER PORTIONS OF

THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. FORCING WILL BE FOCUSED ALONG AND

NORTH OF A STRONG MID/UPPER JET STREAK...AROUND 90 KT AT 500

MB...WHICH WILL GRADUALLY VEER FROM A SOUTHWESTERLY TO WESTERLY

COMPONENT AS IT PROPAGATES ACROSS THE SOUTH CENTRAL PLAINS/OZARK

PLATEAU AND MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY.

GIVEN THE STRENGTH OF THE LARGE-SCALE FORCING FOR UPWARD VERTICAL

MOTION...AND THE SIZE OF THE AREA THAT IT COULD IMPACT...A

CONSIDERABLE INCREASE IN CONVECTIVE POTENTIAL IS ANTICIPATED ACROSS

MUCH OF THE PLAINS...THE MID/UPPER MISSISSIPPI AND OHIO VALLEYS AND

UPPER GREAT LAKES REGION. COUPLED WITH THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THIS

WILL BE PRECEDED BY THE EASTWARD ADVECTION OF WARM ELEVATED MIXED

LAYER AIR THROUGH MUCH OF CENTRAL U.S...THE RISK FOR SEVERE

THUNDERSTORMS COULD BE SUBSTANTIAL...AS VERTICAL SHEAR BECOMES

STRONG. HOWEVER...IT STILL APPEARS THAT THIS POTENTIAL MAY NOT BE

FULLY REALIZED. OBSERVATIONAL AND MODEL DATA CONTINUE TO INDICATE

THAT A SUBSTANTIVE INLAND INCREASE IN BOUNDARY LAYER MOISTURE OFF

THE GULF OF MEXICO TO THE WARM SECTOR OF THE LOW IS

UNLIKELY...THROUGH AT LEAST THIS PERIOD...AS LOW-LEVEL RIDGING IS

SLOW TO LOSE INFLUENCE OVER THE CENTRAL AND EASTERN GULF.

STILL...LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE CHARACTERIZED BY MID 50S TO LOWER 60S

SURFACE DEW POINTS SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT SEVERE

THUNDERSTORMS...WHICH COULD BECOME FAIRLY NUMEROUS OR WIDESPREAD

ACROSS UPPER PORTIONS OF THE MIDDLE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY LATE TUESDAY

AFTERNOON AND EVENING.

..PLAINS/MISSISSIPPI VALLEY

CONFIDENCE IS GREATER THAT SURFACE DEW POINTS NEAR OR JUST ABOVE 60F

MAY BECOME COMMON IN A CORRIDOR FROM NEAR THE SURFACE CYCLONE EAST

SOUTHEASTWARD ALONG A STALLED FRONTAL ZONE EXTENDING INTO THE OHIO

VALLEY. BENEATH THE NOSE OF A PLUME OF ELEVATED MIXED LAYER

AIR...THIS IS EXPECTED TO BE SUFFICIENT TO CONTRIBUTE TO MIXED LAYER

CAPE IN EXCESS OF 1000 J/KG...NEAR THE MISSOURI RIVER EASTWARD

ACROSS PARTS OF SOUTHERN IOWA AND NORTHERN MISSOURI BY PEAK HEATING.

STORMS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP AS STRONGER FORCING FOR ASCENT

OVERSPREADS THE REGION DURING THE LATE AFTERNOON. THIS SHOULD

INCLUDE A FEW SUPERCELLS BEFORE GROWING UPSCALE INTO A MESOSCALE

CONVECTIVE SYSTEM...WHICH SHOULD TRACK EAST SOUTHEASTWARD ALONG AND

JUST SOUTH OF THE FRONT. WITH THE BOUNDARY LAYER JUST TO THE NORTH

OF THE FRONT EXPECTED TO BE RATHER COOL AND STABLE...TORNADIC

POTENTIAL WITH STORMS CROSSING THE BOUNDARY MAY BE LIMITED.

DAMAGING WINDS AND LARGE HAIL STILL APPEAR TO BE THE PRIMARY

CONCERNS WITH THE CONVECTION...WHICH COULD CONTINUE AND SPREAD INTO

PARTS OF THE LOWER OHIO VALLEY TUESDAY NIGHT.

ADDITIONAL...MORE WIDELY SCATTERED...STORM DEVELOPMENT IS EXPECTED

ALONG THE DRY LINE TO THE SOUTH OF THE LOW...ACROSS EASTERN PORTIONS

OF THE CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN PLAINS DURING THE LATE AFTERNOON AND

EVENING. SUPERCELLS ARE POSSIBLE...PRIMARILY WITH THE RISK FOR

LARGE HAIL AND LOCALLY DAMAGING WIND GUSTS.

..KERR.. 03/21/2011

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It looks like SPC is using a compromise of the NAM/GFS for the placement of the warm front tuesday evening as it correlates well with the area of highest probs on the day 2outlook but if the GFS ends up verifying those probs will need to be shifted northward, other way around if it ends up a bit further south like the NAM.

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agreed, a 30% is wha I thought we would see.

Yeah I agree, 30% would've made sense.

While we're on the topic, the new day 1 is kinda weird too... the decent-looking TP (which will probably remain capped, but still...) has a 2% torn risk associated juxtaposed with a 0% hail risk... kinda weird when H5 temps are -15C and any storm that busts the cap will prob be isolated and discrete.

EDIT: well they do have a 5% wind risk there, I guess they think storms will gust out fast.

EDIT2: They have a 15% hail across a non-SLGT area. Lol probably a problem with my cache...

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Yeah I agree, 30% would've made sense.

While we're on the topic, the new day 1 is kinda weird too... the decent-looking TP (which will probably remain capped, but still...) has a 2% torn risk associated juxtaposed with a 0% hail risk... kinda weird when H5 temps are -15C and any storm that busts the cap will prob be isolated and discrete.

EDIT: well they do have a 5% wind risk there, I guess they think storms will gust out fast.

They do have 15% probs for hail, must of not updated on yours when you looked at it.

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DVN regarding potential tomorrow, LOT also favoring the further north solution of the placement of the warm front tomorrow evening

TUESDAY...LATEST 00Z MODEL RUNS AND THEIR SYNOPTIC/MASS FIELD

PLACEMENT STILL POINT TO A POTENTIALLY VOLATILE SEVERE WEATHER

EPISODE TUE AFTERNOON AND INTO THE EVENING. SPC/S SVR WX PARAMETERS

LEAD TO INCREASING PERCENTILES THAT WOULD SUPPORT AN EVENTUAL

MODERATE RISK FOR AT LEAST THE SOUTH HALF OF THE DVN CWA. THROWING

OUT THE FURTHER SOUTH PLACED/OUTLYING NAM...THE REST OF THE MODELS

SUGGEST IDEAL STRONGLY SPRAWLING/DIFFLUENT MID AND UPPER LEVEL

SOUTHWEST FLOW ACRS IA AHEAD OF AN INCREASINGLY NEGATIVELY TILTED

CENTRAL-NORTHERN PLAINS CYCLONE BY LATE TUE AFTERNOON. ORGANIZING

WNW-ESE ORIENTED LLVL WARM FRONT WILL LOOK TO SLOWLY RETREAT ACRS

THE NORTH HALF OF THE DVN CWA AFTER MOST OF THE ELEVATED MORNING

CONVECTION LIFTS NORTH OF THE CWA. THIS WILL MAKE FOR THE POTENTIAL

OF TEMPS ZOOMING INTO THE 70S WITH HIGH 50S DPTS SOUTH OF THE WARM

FRONT AND THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE DVN CWA FOR CAPES OF 1K+ J/KG.

WITH THE EARLY INDICATORS OF THE EXTENT OF BULK SHEAR UNDER THE

DEEP CYCLONICALLY CURVED FLOW AND LIFT WITH THIS KIND OF

INSTABILITY...AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SHIFT THAT SUPERCELLS/SVR

WX OUTBREAK MAY BE AT HAND FOR MUCH OF THE SOUTHEAST HALF OF IA

THIS PERIOD. A TORNADIC POTENTIAL ALONG THE DEVELOPING TRIPLE

POINT...AND SOME LARGE HAIL INDICATORS SUPPORTING GOLF BALL SIZE

STONES IF THE CURRENTLY PROGGED THERMODYNAMICS AND KINEMATICS PAN

OUT CORRECTLY. DAMAGING WIND THREAT ALSO THERE. MANY CONCEPTUAL

SVR WX INDICATORS ARE THEIR WITH THIS MORNINGS PROGS AND WILL

EAGERLY AWAIT ADDITIONAL RUNS OVER THE NEXT 12-24 HRS. WILL KEEP

MODERATE TO HIGH POPS WALKING IN FROM THE WEST FROM TUE AFTERNOON

AND INTO THE EVENING. AS THE MAIN SFC LOW OCCLUDES ACRS NORTH

CENTRAL IA AND INTO THE IA/MN/WI TRI-STATE REGION...BULK OF

CONVECTION TO BE NORTH AND EAST OF THE DVN CWA BY 06Z WED WITH

DRYING LLVL COLD CONVEYOR WRAPPING ACRS IA FROM THE WEST-

NORTHWEST.

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I dont get it... if they're so uncertain about the threat why did they outline a 45% risk?

IMO there isn't much of a substantial threat here... at least to warrant a 45% on Day 2.

Yeah I'd hate (or love) to see what they would've gone with if they thought the full potential would be realized.

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DVN regarding potential tomorrow, LOT also favoring the further north solution of the placement of the warm front tomorrow evening

I'm not saying the NAM is gonna pan out exactly but I've been thinking about how the still-cold lake could influence the boundary placement. I wouldn't be surprised to see it struggle to get as far north as the GFS is showing.

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I'm not saying the NAM is gonna pan out exactly but I've been thinking about how the still-cold lake could influence the boundary placement. I wouldn't be surprised to see it struggle to get as far north as the GFS is showing.

And it looks like the 12z GFS nudges south.

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SREF_prob_combined_sigtor__f039.gif

Here's a good example of what the SPC is talking about when they talk about full potential not being realized. In this sig. tornado ingredients product you have five factors (the probabilities of MLCAPE > 1000, MLLCL< 1km, 0-1km helicity > 100, 0-6km shear >40 kts, and convective precip being measurable).

Even just yesterday we saw this sig. tornado ingredients parameter approaching I believe 20%, and what is being regarded as a larger potential outbreak here is only 5%. What we know is with a 90 kt westerly jet streak at 500 mb we will have the shear. Warm front in the vicinity will surely produce high helicity values. Morning convection will keep LCLs low. And finally we are expecting convective precipitation. What that leaves us with is an instability limited scenario. The probability of CAPEs reaching 1000 j/kg on this SREF run were around 10%, and multiplying that by the other probabilities is really going to cut the sig. tornado ingredient parameter down. If the dewpoints increase faster than progged, or if we can get rid of morning convective debris (isn't that what we're always waiting for?) then more potential instability can be realized and a larger outbreak is possible.

We also know that these low CAPE high shear events can surprise. And I think DVN is wise, with the warm front progged to be draped through the CWA, to be concerned.

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