Scott747 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Really, everything I'm hearing is old news. We all saw the explosion -- just no one telling us what it meant. If Japan has loosed a massive plume of radiation on the world, they sure are taking their sweet time telling anybody. This is what makes me wonder if the reactor has been fully breached or indeed is melting down with the rods exposed. Then again they could be still trying to assess the magnitude of the damage before releasing more info. Hard to imagine that they don't have a good handle on how dire the situation is though if in fact the core is melting down with an open release to atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PottercountyWXobserver Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 This is what makes me wonder if the reactor has been fully breached or indeed is melting down with the rods exposed. Then again they could be still trying to assess the magnitude of the damage before releasing more info. Hard to imagine that they don't have a good handle on how dire the situation is though if in fact the core is melting down with an open release to atmosphere. This is what I'm thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozart Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 society likes to jump to conclusions especially when it comes to nuclear plants Yeah, silly people will do that when they see a nuclear plant blow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yeah, silly people will do that when they see a nuclear plant blow up. Yeah...it's not every day you see a nuclear power plant blow up AFTER they said a meltdown was possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 We don't know the full extent of what happened yet.. but the outer shell of a reactor is gone. I've never seen any kind of building explosion that takes the outer shell of it clean off and just leaving the skeleton, but looking at the video, the explosion happened from WITHIN the building, not adjacent to the building. Simple physics here. Something INSIDE the building exploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PottercountyWXobserver Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Yeah, silly people will do that when they see a nuclear plant blow up. We don't know details, they are hush hush for some odd reason, try not to jump, although its very tempting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 there are only 3 explainations for the delay. 1. There isn't enough information to convey to the public 2. The event isn't as bad as what the general public thinks and are not concerned 3. The situation is critical and don't want mass hysteria I'm guessing option 1 is the most probable reason, though I could see number 2 being right also, as society likes to jump to conclusions especially when it comes to nuclear plants How many times have you seen a video of an entire reactor exploding after a government has declared that there is a high risk of a meltdown and then have a government official admit that there is radiation leaking from the reactor and have tens of thousands of people evacuate immediately? No one's jumping to conclusions without evidence in this thread. We have facts and all we're doing is posting the facts. If you have a problem with the facts, I cannot help you. There have been at least 3 videos of the explosion posted in this thread. I suggest you watch them and then come back and tell me we're jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSVWx Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 We don't know the full extent of what happened yet.. but the outer shell of a reactor is gone. I've never seen any kind of building explosion that takes the outer shell of it clean off and just leaving the skeleton, but looking at the video, the explosion happened from WITHIN the building, not adjacent to the building. Simple physics here. Something INSIDE the building exploded. Well I can appreciate your theory for sure. But I think we all agree, once the meltdown is in progress, ther's not much the outisde world can do now...sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Askew Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 We don't know details, they are hush hush for some odd reason, try not to jump, although its very tempting Im sorry but a nuclear plant explosion, meltdown fears and Govt. officials downplaying and a bit quiet usually means its not going to end well. IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PottercountyWXobserver Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 How many times have you seen a video of an entire reactor exploding after a government has declared that there is a high risk of a meltdown and then have a government official admit that there is radiation leaking from the reactor and have tens of thousands of people evacuate immediately? No one's jumping to conclusions without evidence in this thread. We have facts and all we're doing is posting the facts. If you have a problem with the facts, I cannot help you. There have been at least 3 videos of the explosion posted in this thread. I suggest you watch them and then come back and tell me we're jumping to conclusions. We don't know this, the skeleton looks intact which is the containment part of the building, the building itself looks gone, lets wait to see whats going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 That was a massive explosion. I wonder if they were using hydrogen in an attempt to cool the core and prevent cracking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 We don't know details, they are hush hush for some odd reason, try not to jump, although its very tempting Probably because they don't want everyone to panic and/or release inaccurate information without having all of the facts. There is one fact we can confirm though. There was an explosion inside of reactor #1 of a nuclear power plant with a very high risk of a meltdown. Here is the video once again. Skip to :45 to see the whole thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVx2lpm1HBE&feature=youtu.be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 How many times have you seen a video of an entire reactor exploding after a government has declared that there is a high risk of a meltdown and then have a government official admit that there is radiation leaking from the reactor and have tens of thousands of people evacuate immediately? No one's jumping to conclusions without evidence in this thread. We have facts and all we're doing is posting the facts. If you have a problem with the facts, I cannot help you. There have been at least 3 videos of the explosion posted in this thread. I suggest you watch them and then come back and tell me we're jumping to conclusions. I agree. I've seen enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PottercountyWXobserver Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Im sorry but a nuclear plant explosion, meltdown fears and Govt. officials downplaying and a bit quiet usually means its not going to end well. IMHO You might be right, I'm trying to remain optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Well I can appreciate your theory for sure. But I think we all agree, once the meltdown is in progress, ther's not much the outisde world can do now...sadly We can stop building nuclear power plants and decomission the existing ones. Sorry, I've never heard of a Solar power plant exploding and causing any harm... or a windmill exploding and causing any harm... but this is probably a topic for another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 evac zone now expanded to 20 km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PottercountyWXobserver Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Probably because they don't want everyone to panic and/or release inaccurate information without having all of the facts. There is one fact we can confirm though. There was an explosion inside of reactor #1 of a nuclear power plant with a very high risk of a meltdown. Here is the video once again. Skip to :45 to see the whole thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVx2lpm1HBE&feature=youtu.be I have seen everything you guys have seen, but we don't know 100% that the reactor was blow up, I'm wating for confirmation from the media Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 NHK Worldwide reporting 20km or 12.4 miles outside nuclear plants must evacuate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo NHK is reporting that the Fukushima evacuation radius has been raised from 10km to 20km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 BBC Live News Feed: 1009: “This is starting to look a lot like Chernobyl” Walt Patterson, an associate fellow with Chatham House, has told the BBC after seeing pictures of the explosion at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant. “The nuclear agency says that they have detected caesium and iodine outside the unit, which certainly indicates fuel melting at the very least,” he says. “Once you have melting fuel coming into contact with water, that would almost certainly be the cause of the explosion.” <BR clear=all> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozart Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 That was a massive explosion. I wonder if they were using hydrogen in an attempt to cool the core and prevent cracking. I would think if it was a hydrogen explosion, we'd have seen fire. I wonder if the container wasn't just highly pressurized (steam) and ready to blow. I have read repeatedly that one of the containers was pressurized beyond design specs. I've also read that the explosion happened at the same time an aftershock was occurring. That might have been what sent it over the edge. All speculation, though, as we all await word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PottercountyWXobserver Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 BBC Live News Feed: 1009: “This is starting to look a lot like Chernobyl” Walt Patterson, an associate fellow with Chatham House, has told the BBC after seeing pictures of the explosion at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant. “The nuclear agency says that they have detected caesium and iodine outside the unit, which certainly indicates fuel melting at the very least,” he says. “Once you have melting fuel coming into contact with water, that would almost certainly be the cause of the explosion.” <BR clear=all> I'm sold now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I have seen everything you guys have seen, but we don't know 100% that the reactor was blow up, I'm wating for confirmation from the media Explain to me why the reactor building is just a skeleton after that explosion and how it would be possible that it was not that building that exploded. Trying to remain optomistic is one thing... rejecting clear evidence is another. There are no reports of civilian casualties as a result of this... being optomistic means you hope it stays that way. I can easily assume I know we all do and we all pray for the Japanese people. Japan has such a rich culture and a very long, fascinating history. They will survive this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSVWx Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 We can stop building nuclear power plants and decomission the existing ones. Sorry, I've never heard of a Solar power plant exploding and causing any harm... or a windmill exploding and causing any harm... but this is probably a topic for another thread. Na.....that wouldn't solve anything. We all gota live. What do you expect when you have nutcases in Washington that take away our oil, coal, and any other common sense energy means for mankind to survive on. I mean the energy means you have suggested will never materialize into large amounts of sufficent energy needs. We need nuclear power for the Western Civilization to survive if we are to continue living in our vanity filled lives. But this as you stated, is for another topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I would think if it was a hydrogen explosion, we'd have seen fire. I wonder if the container wasn't just highly pressurized (steam) and ready to blow. I have read repeatedly that one of the containers was pressurized beyond design specs. I've also read that the explosion happened at the same time an aftershock was occurring. That might have been what sent it over the edge. All speculation, though, as we all await word. Ah, just posted on BBC. 1016: The BBC's environment correspondent Roger Harrabin says he understands the blast at the nuclear plant may have been caused by a hydrogen explosion - also one of the possibilities laid out by Walt Patterson of Chatham House. "If nuclear fuel rods overheat and then come into contact with water, this produces a large amount of highly-flammable hydrogen gas which can then ignite," our correspondent says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Na.....that wouldn't solve anything. We all gota live. What do you expect when you have nutcases in Washington that take away our oil, coal, and any other common sense energy means for mankind to survive on. I mean the energy means you have suggested will never materialize into large amounts of sufficent energy needs. We need nuclear power for the Western Civilation to survive if we are to continue living in our vanity filled lives. But this as you stated, is for another topic. When we stop quoting Spock and stop believing that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and realize that we should satisfy the needs of everyone including those who live near nuclear power plants, are all equal to each other, then we will have a society in which can thrive much further beyond our limited western society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PottercountyWXobserver Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Explain to me why the reactor building is just a skeleton after that explosion and how it would be possible that it was not that building that exploded. Trying to remain optomistic is one thing... rejecting clear evidence is another. There are no reports of civilian casualties as a result of this... being optomistic means you hope it stays that way. I can easily assume I know we all do and we all pray for the Japanese people. Japan has such a rich culture and a very long, fascinating history. They will survive this... Reports are coming in and things look worse, I don't want them to. If the containment area is breached then all hell breaks loose and radiation can flow where ever it wants to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozart Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Ah, just posted on BBC. 1016: The BBC's environment correspondent Roger Harrabin says he understands the blast at the nuclear plant may have been caused by a hydrogen explosion - also one of the possibilities laid out by Walt Patterson of Chatham House. "If nuclear fuel rods overheat and then come into contact with water, this produces a large amount of highly-flammable hydrogen gas which can then ignite," our correspondent says. Well okay, maybe. Still it's weird there'd be not a lick of flame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rent Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Well okay, maybe. Still it's weird there'd be not a lick of flame. There is about 1/2 second of orange before the dust cloud overtakes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 The professor from Japan on NHK World says they most likely moved it out to 20km due to some damage to the containment building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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