PhineasC Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Based on what I know, and admittedly I am no expert, that article has several important inaccuracies. For example: "The problem is if the spent fuel gets too close, they will produce a fission reaction and explode with a force much larger than any fission bomb given the total amount of fuel on the site. " This is not true and nothing but scare journalism, which, by the way, seems to be the only occupation of the writer. Yeah, the biggest message to get out is that there is zero chance of any sort of "atomic bomb" scenario here. That is pure fear tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avdave Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 No, you didn't. You are a met hearing stuff at the water cooler. Of course the NRC thinks we are hunky-dory in the nuclear department. If they didn't they'd all be fired. I made a totally calm post and you took it personally. Keep digging Phin, you are way over your head here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 wrong again http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-reactors/design-cert/ap1000.html#ser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I would hope that they would use something like bullet-proof glass on that, and hopefully that would allow it to survive. It's not like they'd use standard glass or anything like that. Ya, and 600,000 spent fuel rods? Seems fishy to me. Maybe he meant spent fuel pellets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Looks like the webcam is back up: http://www.tepco.co....ra/index-j.html but it looks the time isn't updating..it says 09:00 which is at least 55 mins old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 No, you didn't. You are a met hearing stuff at the water cooler. Of course the NRC thinks we are hunky-dory in the nuclear department. If they didn't they'd all be fired. I made a totally calm post and you took it personally. I didn't take it personally. I was correcting your mistakes. and btw. Can you think of a reason why meteorology would be important when a plant is releasing radiation to the atmosphere? If so, it gives you an idea of what I am doing 15 hours a day right now. Not exactly water cooler work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterymix Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 You are probably right. I'm by no means an expert in anything nuclear. except how to review applications for new plants Great, terrific. If you are qualified, interpret for us what is going on at these failing nuclear plants.Can we side step the bickering? We are not dealing with a HECS on the 10 day GFS, we are dealing with potential radiation poisoning of a large modern population during peacetime. How soon can the mess be contained? How long with populations around the world have fresh fears about peaceful electrical power generation via nuclear power? I just heard that we have 27 nuclear plants in this country that are inadequately prepared for seismic events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I didn't take it personally. I was correcting your mistakes. and btw. Can you think of a reason why meteorology would be important when a plant is releasing radiation to the atmosphere? If so, it gives you an idea of what I am doing 15 hours a day right now. Not exactly water cooler work Has zero bearing on the state of nuclear engineering in America which was my only point. I didn't claim to be an expert in the dispersion of radioactive dust in the atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Westinghouse AP 1000 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AP1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 http://www.nrc.gov/r...ap1000.html#ser you are close to being correct. By letter dated May 26, 2007, Westinghouse submitted an application to amend the AP1000 DCR and Revision 16 of the AP1000 DCD. On September 22, 2008, Westinghouse updated its application to amend the AP1000 DCD. The update, Revision 17, contains changes from those submitted in Revision 16. The changes are summarized in the September 22nd letter. On October 14, 2008, Westinghouse provided a corrected set of the Revision 17 DCD electronic files, to update portions of the Revision change roadmap and include additional change bars in the margins that had inadvertently been omitted in the initial submittal. The linked public version of Revision 17 is to the corrected files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Any up-dates on the fires. Thom Hartmann said it perfectly today. If those pools evaporate...We have the mother of all "dirty" bombs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Ya, and 600,000 spent fuel rods? Seems fishy to me. Maybe he meant spent fuel pellets? http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/accidents/6-1_powerpoint.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 basically. I've already proven that he is clueless and spouting off stuff he doesn't understand. anyway, that's the last I'll say about Phin so as to not clutter up the thread So you obviously have spent time in facilities. My question is. What exactly is burning, my experience in power plants Is there is very little fire load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Great, terrific. If you are qualified, interpret for us what is going on at these failing nuclear plants.Can we side step the bickering? We are not dealing with a HECS on the 10 day GFS, we are dealing with potential radiation poisoning of a large modern population during peacetime. How soon can the mess be contained? How long with populations around the world have fresh fears about peaceful electrical power generation via nuclear power? I just heard that we have 27 nuclear plants in this country that are inadequately prepared for seismic events. I'm not an expert in nuclear energy or engineering and I am certainly not going to make any statements about what is going on in a public message board. The only thing that I will say is what has already been released. In accordance with NRC regulations, every American nuclear power plant is designed with multiple, redundant safety systems to be robust enough to withstand the seismic and natural event risks associated with its specific location. In other words, the NRC analyzes every reactor site for own specific features and potential hazards, and requires the plant to be designed and operated accordingly. But in calculating risks, a certain level of uncertainty is always present. To compensate for these uncertainties, the NRC utilizes the concept of “defense in depth”—an approach to safety where multiple, diverse, and redundant layers of protection are used to prevent accidents and mitigate consequences. While it is inappropriate to speculate on what would happen to an American nuclear power plant under similar circumstances to the Japan event, we do know that U.S. nuclear facilities are among the most robust and well‑protected civilian structures in the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 So you obviously have spent time in facilities. My question is. What exactly is burning, my experience in power plants Is there is very little fire load. in number 4 TEPCO says it was an oil pump or something, that was fire number 1 yesterday......they said they had the fire out...then many hours later this new fire started... if it was just an oil pumps then why did radiation spike just after/during the fire sounds fishy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 So you obviously have spent time in facilities. My question is. What exactly is burning, my experience in power plants Is there is very little fire load. I wish I could be more help to you guys, but Phin is correct that I am just a meteorologist. I have been to facilities, but I have not been in the reactor buildings and I'm not an engineer. From what I have heard, many of the fires have been grease fires in nature, not zirconium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Reuters FLASH: White smoke seen coming from No.4 reactor at Fukushima Daiichi plant: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 This thread is hilarious. I have checked in from time to time over the last few days, and its obvious that posts coincide with the pure fear factor that is being so sadly broadcast by certain media organizations. This is a horrible tragedy, the earthquake and tsunami will leave a human and economic scar on Japan and most certainly the global community for a long time to come. However, the nuclear hype is over the top and unfounded. It seems sad that so much attention is being paid to a very low risk that any citizen in Japan maybe affected by this let alone some poor soul stateside. I understand the fascination with the science behind the nuclear situation but, find any logic why so many have spent so much time on it, when in the end it will be forgotten in light of the human tragedy that our ally has been delt. Media has been irresponsible plain and simple, but hey, fear equates to viewers which brings in ratings and money.......I am saddend by Germany's actions today, and I hope that no country on the face of the earth is deterred by the events in Japan regarding nuclear energy. Reactionary and "have to have it now" cravings may set back alternative energies for some years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 in number 4 TEPCO says it was an oil pump or something, that was fire number 1 yesterday......they said they had the fire out...then many hours later this new fire started... if it was just an oil pumps then why did radiation spike just after/during the fire sounds fishy I am skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I'm not an expert in nuclear energy or engineering and I am certainly not going to make any statements about what is going on in a public message board. The only thing that I will say is what has already been released. In accordance with NRC regulations, every American nuclear power plant is designed with multiple, redundant safety systems to be robust enough to withstand the seismic and natural event risks associated with its specific location. In other words, the NRC analyzes every reactor site for own specific features and potential hazards, and requires the plant to be designed and operated accordingly. But in calculating risks, a certain level of uncertainty is always present. To compensate for these uncertainties, the NRC utilizes the concept of “defense in depth”—an approach to safety where multiple, diverse, and redundant layers of protection are used to prevent accidents and mitigate consequences. While it is inappropriate to speculate on what would happen to an American nuclear power plant under similar circumstances to the Japan event, we do know that U.S. nuclear facilities are among the most robust and well‑protected civilian structures in the country. I agree with this but want to point out that if asked 1 week ago, TEPCO would have said the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Reuters FLASH: White smoke seen coming from No.4 reactor at Fukushima Daiichi plant: is that a "new" flash or an older report about the 2nd fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I wish I could be more help to you guys, but Phin is correct that I am just a meteorologist. I have been to facilities, but I have not been in the reactor buildings and I'm not an engineer. From what I have heard, many of the fires have been grease fires in nature, not zirconium Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHSnow Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 This thread is hilarious. I have checked in from time to time over the last few days, and its obvious that posts coincide with the pure fear factor that is being so sadly broadcast by certain media organizations. This is a horrible tragedy, the earthquake and tsunami will leave a human and economic scar on Japan and most certainly the global community for a long time to come. However, the nuclear hype is over the top and unfounded. It seems sad that so much attention is being paid to a very low risk that any citizen in Japan maybe affected by this let alone some poor soul stateside. I understand the fascination with the science behind the nuclear situation but, find any logic why so many have spent so much time on it, when in the end it will be forgotten in light of the human tragedy that our ally has been delt. Media has been irresponsible plain and simple, but hey, fear equates to viewers which brings in ratings and money.......I am saddend by Germany's actions today, and I hope that no country on the face of the earth is deterred by the events in Japan regarding nuclear energy. Reactionary and "have to have it now" cravings may set back alternative energies for some years to come. Good post. The hysterics here are ridiculous and over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 is that a "new" flash or an older report about the 2nd fire Brand new, NHK is showing it Live. Steady white smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 is that a "new" flash or an older report about the 2nd fire I would assume it's new, it was just posted on their twitter under 10 minutes ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I agree with this but want to point out that if asked 1 week ago, TEPCO would have said the same thing You are correct. If you want to see someone ask the guy with the answers. Tune into the congressional hearings tomorrow when Chairman Jaczko will get that question on live tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 This thread is hilarious. I have checked in from time to time over the last few days, and its obvious that posts coincide with the pure fear factor that is being so sadly broadcast by certain media organizations. This is a horrible tragedy, the earthquake and tsunami will leave a human and economic scar on Japan and most certainly the global community for a long time to come. However, the nuclear hype is over the top and unfounded. It seems sad that so much attention is being paid to a very low risk that any citizen in Japan maybe affected by this let alone some poor soul stateside. I understand the fascination with the science behind the nuclear situation but, find any logic why so many have spent so much time on it, when in the end it will be forgotten in light of the human tragedy that our ally has been delt. Media has been irresponsible plain and simple, but hey, fear equates to viewers which brings in ratings and money.......I am saddend by Germany's actions today, and I hope that no country on the face of the earth is deterred by the events in Japan regarding nuclear energy. Reactionary and "have to have it now" cravings may set back alternative energies for some years to come. This situation has becoming increasingly worse each day. The evacuation of 450000 people was done for a reason dude.people told to stay in their homes by the gov't, your statement here is just as bad as the worlds going to end folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 This thread is hilarious. I have checked in from time to time over the last few days, and its obvious that posts coincide with the pure fear factor that is being so sadly broadcast by certain media organizations. This is a horrible tragedy, the earthquake and tsunami will leave a human and economic scar on Japan and most certainly the global community for a long time to come. However, the nuclear hype is over the top and unfounded. It seems sad that so much attention is being paid to a very low risk that any citizen in Japan maybe affected by this let alone some poor soul stateside. I understand the fascination with the science behind the nuclear situation but, find any logic why so many have spent so much time on it, when in the end it will be forgotten in light of the human tragedy that our ally has been delt. Media has been irresponsible plain and simple, but hey, fear equates to viewers which brings in ratings and money.......I am saddend by Germany's actions today, and I hope that no country on the face of the earth is deterred by the events in Japan regarding nuclear energy. Reactionary and "have to have it now" cravings may set back alternative energies for some years to come. There are 3 rapidly deteriorating nuclear meltdowns happening now. Nothing like this has happened before. It's worse than TMI, an event that had a polarizing effect on American society. No one is saying that everyone in the area is receiving deadly radiation. You are downplaying this in a similar way to those that are overestimating this, saying this will be the next Chernobyl. Everyone needs to keep a cool head and stick to facts and relevant info, not baseless predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 From CBS. Although communication with the workers inside the nuclear plant is nearly impossible, a CBS News consultant spoke to a Japanese official who made contact with one of the 50 inside the control center. The official said that his friend, one of the Fukushima 50, told him that he was not afraid to die, that that was his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 You are correct. If you want to see someone ask the guy with the answers. Tune into the congressional hearings tomorrow when Chairman Jaczko will get that question on live tv Steve (Alaskahuna) posted in the earthquake thread that there has been large tsunamis in this region in the recent past. Uh, Taro in the Sanriku district was hit by a 30 meter high tsunami in 1896 and a 10 meter one in 1933. They are referred to as the Great Meji and Great Showa tsunamis respectively. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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