jbcmh81 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Looks like a lot of people slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night. People here are experts on 100% of topics 100% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Looks like a lot of people slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Seriously. That or Wikiexperts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 There's an interesting thread between those freaking out about this and those trying to act all cool and in-the-know and say it isn't a big deal. It strikes me as a big deal-- a Level-6 event on that scale on a populated island is a big deal-- and I share the puzzlement of some that anyone in this discussion would presume to know the level of risk here or the potential outcomes. The experts on the scene-- the ones trying to stabilize the reactors-- don't even know that. And there lies the difference I think. It may not be a Chernobyl, but we are dealing with a much more densely populated area. I think that is the concern here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 People here are experts on 100% of topics 100% of the time. Just like the real mets on news stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 And there lies the difference I think. It may not be a Chernobyl, but we are dealing with a much more densely populated area. I think that is the concern here. Bingo. This thing doesn't need to spew like Chernobyl to create a Code Red situation. Honshu is not rural Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 What credentials do you have to make these assertions? Even from basic college physics I know that a chain reaction can accelerate with increasing temperature. So I suppose a chain reaction could be plausible in the worst case scenario. In addition if the containment vessels are at atmospheric pressure, I don't believe any assertion of their containment abilities until a robot our some other device is able to investigate. Not trying to be alarmist but I also don't think it's reasonable to make an assertion as if it's fact that this can't have a similar scale impact as chernobyl. I think the fact is that we still have no clue what the potential impact of this disaster can be. None. I have no credentials. The kind of "rods" in this reactor are not the same as the kind in Chernobyl. They are specifically designed to NOT undergo the same kind of fission chain reaction that occurred at Chernobyl. I don't know what it would take to send them into chain reaction, but I know it's very difficult with the current technology. And again, no containment is not the same as compromised containment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiaWx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 None. I have no credentials. The kind of "rods" in this reactor are not the same as the kind in Chernobyl. They are specifically designed to NOT undergo the same kind of fission chain reaction that occurred at Chernobyl. I don't know what it would take to send them into chain reaction, but I know it's very difficult with the current technology. And again, no containment is not the same as compromised containment. Well you do have the credentials of being a scientist. That alone should let people know you have a higher understanding of how things work. You might not be a nuclear scientist but you do have physics and other science related course work under your belt. While I'm not taking your posts as the gospel I am paying close attention to anyone with a red tag on their name as they do have a science background. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Reading material while we wait for an update. (BWR / Mark I corrosion results begin on page 65) Risk-Informed Assessment of Degraded Containment Vessels http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/nuregs/contract/cr6920/cr6920.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 From what is being said..which may or may not be accurate. 1-3 appear "somewhat" stable and water levels are being maintained high enough so prevent further melting. They just have to keep water on them long enough to cool them down, then encase them in concrete, etc. Rather unclear regarding the status of the water level/temp in 4 which is the most worrysome at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Bingo. This thing doesn't need to spew like Chernobyl to create a Code Red situation. Honshu is not rural Ukraine. Agreed. Fortunately so far, radiation hasn't reached critical levels. Hopefully that doesn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LithiaWx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Does anyone know how long it takes spent fuel rods to cool enough to not worry about them melting without water cooling them? I'm assuming that the rods that are constantly being referred to are spent "used" fuel rods. What about the rods in the reactor that were being used when the quake happened? I keep hearing about when they cool down....I thought that was an extremely long process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Here is the full article from the breaking news posted earlier... ------------------ The situation at the quake-hit Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant in northeastern Japan ''has worsened considerably,'' the Institute for Science and International Security said in a statement released Tuesday. Referring to fresh explosions that occurred earlier in the day at the site and problems in a pool storing spent nuclear fuel rods, the Washington-based think tank said, ''This accident can no longer be viewed as a level 4 on the International Nuclear and Radiological Events scale that ranks events from 1 to 7.'' Noting that a level 4 incident involves ''only local radiological consequences,'' it said the ongoing crisis is ''now closer to a level 6, and it may unfortunately reach a level 7'' -- a worst case scenario with extensive health and environmental consequences. ''The international community should increase assistance to Japan to both contain the emergency at the reactors and to address the wider contamination. We need to find a solution together,'' it said. http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78374.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Does anyone know how long it takes spent fuel rods to cool enough to not worry about them melting without water cooling them? I'm assuming that the rods that are constantly being referred to are spent "used" fuel rods. What about the rods in the reactor that were being used when the quake happened? I keep hearing about when they cool down....I thought that was an extremely long process. It takes 3 or 4 years for rods to cool down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Does anyone know how long it takes spent fuel rods to cool enough to not worry about them melting without water cooling them? I'm assuming that the rods that are constantly being referred to are spent "used" fuel rods. What about the rods in the reactor that were being used when the quake happened? I keep hearing about when they cool down....I thought that was an extremely long process. Fuel that has been stored for at least five years in water has cooled sufficiently, and its radioactivity decreased enough, for it to be removed from the spent fuel pool and loaded into casks. This frees up additional space in the pool for storing spent fuel newly removed from the reactor. http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/dry-cask-storage.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 It takes 3 or 4 years for rods to cool down. this thread is going to be pretty long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 It takes 3 or 4 years for rods to cool down. thats a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 this thread is going to be pretty long another A+++ i guess Nikolai should just go ahead and start a part 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 this thread is going to be pretty long Can someone clarify this latest report from Reuters, two more blasts? The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said two workers at the Daiichi plant in Fukushima were missing after two more blasts at the facility on Tuesday blew a hole in a building housing a reactor and cooling pool for spent fuel rods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Breaking news from NHK, quoting Tokyo Electric Power: Fire breaks out at Fukushima Daiichi No.4 reactor by Stephanie Ditta at 3/15/2011 5:45 PM http://live.reuters....pan_earthquake2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 2141: The European Group for Blood and Marrow Transplantation (EBMT) has asked 500 bone marrow transplant centres to be ready to treat Japanese victims of the nuclear accident if needed. In its request, the group said there was real concern that a "significant number of workers attempting to control the damaged nuclear power station" in Japan may receive "doses or whole body radiation over the next week or so," AFP reports. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Cove Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 BREAKING NEWS: Fire breaks out again at 5:45 a.m. at Fukushima's No. 4 reactor: NHK (06:45) http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 2153: Flames are rising from the reactor, AP reports. 2152: AFP is reporting a new fire at the number four reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Can someone clarify this latest report from Reuters, two more blasts? The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said two workers at the Daiichi plant in Fukushima were missing after two more blasts at the facility on Tuesday blew a hole in a building housing a reactor and cooling pool for spent fuel rods. That's from earlier. Nothing to do with the latest breaking info coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 2153: Flames are rising from the reactor, AP reports. 2152: AFP is reporting a new fire at the number four reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 Bad bad bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isopycnic Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 this thread is going to be pretty long It may need a part 6 for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 2153: Flames are rising from the reactor, AP reports. BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-12307698 Not good at all..... http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/ live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I just naturally fear the worst case situation with multiple reactors in jeopordy. If the earthquake is 9.0 we can assume a great deal of buildings collapse. Are these containment structures even capable of withstanding a quake of that magnitude and multiple aftershocks close to 7? If the issue with chernobyl was containment structures, and we already have radiation several kilometers away from Fshima, I fear we could see a situation that rivals Chernobyl. Its obviously not contained if theres radiation escaping. The drop in radiation was simply a windshift. (Evident in the fact we saw USS Reagan sailors sick) If we have levels of radiation as high as reported in the nuclear reactor and control room that further dampens efforts. (Not to mention support for containment is radically lower already due to the worse disaster in Japan since WW2.) The governments resources are already crippled. I fear we (and the PM even) do not know the entire situation at hand due to ths communication issues across Japan. It all just smells such trouble, does it not? I'm sure someone has already corrected all your mis-statements, but I'll do so too: First - The epicenter was over 100 miles away. Its not like the 9.0 was right underneath. Second - Radiation levels are much lower than Chernobyl. Third - No sailors on the Reagen are or were sick. They were just contaminated. Slightly. Fourth - Government resources are not "crippled". Certainly they aren't doing great, but much of the country was relatively unaffected by the quake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosierwx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Bad bad bad. May be in the vicinity of spent fuel rods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Fire again in number 4 building according to TEPPCO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Was just listening to the radio, think it was NPR. Fire "towering" from #4 per one source within the Japanese government. Ugly. Comical when people say this is or isn't a previous event. It's a drawn out mess that will find it's place in history. It doesn't have to be anything like chernoybl to be a major catastrophe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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