Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Yeah I heard that at the press conference, but the way he said it was kinda like "the last information we had was 2.7 meters" and, gosh idk, the way the exchange went didn't make me feel like it was particularly up to the minute information. #4 had building damage #2 has had a pressure drop in the container vessel which may mean it's leaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 That H2 explosion this morning really made things worse. TEPCO says they are continuing all cooling operations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 TEPCO reminds me of how corporations used to communicate in the US in the 60 s. Do not worry about asbestos, trichlorothane, all harmless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 This explosion seems to be of a different type than the first 2. Indications are it was lower in the building and may have caused an at least partial loss of containment. I'm not an nuclear expert but I am pretty good at reading people. If the explosion was the same as the other two a simple statement to that effect would have been sufficient and logical. The tap dance that ensued at the news conference, along with the report of pulling out operators points to something more serious than they have been dealing with so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallow Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 It was confusing but if pressure is dropping and radiation outside increasing that means only one thing, it's self venting, broken shell on the containment vessel. Whatever it is, it doesn't sound good at all. Radiation still isn't in the immediately-life-threatening range, but it's climbing uncomfortably high (about 1% what it would need to be in the "immediately-life-threatening" range, it seems) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j24vt Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Discussion of Japan's nuclear reactor problems written by some nuclear engineers at MIT: http://mitnse.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I go back to the operators, human element, man those guys got to be scared to death. Panic city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Was there an earlier post on why the cameras were down? 8217. If the next reading is higher that'd be tragic. NHk ripping tepco. Famartin I know a few hours ago I read 3 was leaking water. Turns out it was #2 per nhk. Makes me wonder how old the news is tepco is releasing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 This explosion seems to be of a different type than the first 2. Indications are it was lower in the building and may have caused an at least partial loss of containment. . any video of this? just reading through this thread and the damage to reactor 2 (possible damage to containmant building) was reported a few hours ago while the explosion at 2 happened after that , just recenetly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uofmiami Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 They only had 3 running at the time of the quake? Yes, the plant has 6 reactors but only 3 (reactors 1-3) were running before the quake hit. The other 3 (reactors 4-6) were being worked on so they were offline for maintenance from the reports I have read since this crisis happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 TEPCO reminds me of how corporations used to communicate in the US in the 60 s. Do not worry about asbestos, trichlorothane, all harmless. Yep was thinking the same thing. The nhk live feed is confusing probably due to the translation. It's been 3 hours since it blew ... 5.19 our time. Atmosphering pressure dropped at the same time of the explosion so like you said that means one or two things. The gauge failed or the core is breached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Was there an earlier post on why the cameras were down? 8217. If the next reading is higher that'd be tragic. NHk ripping tepco. Famartin I know a few hours ago I read 3 was leaking water. Turns out it was #2 per nhk. Makes me wonder how old the news is tepco is releasing It probably wasn't depending on your source. Throughout this event people in this thread have constantly posted information or snippets that were hours and in some cases a day old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I go back to the operators, human element, man those guys got to be scared to death. Panic city Especially considering like 15 of them have been injured in the explosions. No idea how severely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Nhk....vapor coming from top part of reactor building #3 but they dont know what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Picture of the 3rd explosion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catoctin wx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Running trajectories and looking at wind forecasts...it appears the biggest issue will be more northerly winds for Thursday...which would bring any radiation closer to Tokyo. are you getting any wind data from around the site, or are you relying on model data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Picture of the 3rd explosion that looks like 2nd one at unit 3...maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Third explosion looks a lot like the second...also I'm not saying it isn't but it looks awfully bright for 6:10am in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 are you getting any wind data from around the site, or are you relying on model data? that was just a simple gfs forecast trajectory using model vertical velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Picture of the 3rd explosion The 3rd explosion was internal (at #2 reactor) so that is probably the explosion at #3 reactor yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Third explosion looks a lot like the second...also I'm not saying it isn't but it looks awfully bright for 6:10am in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I tend to think that reactor 2 is in worse shape than reactors 1 and 3 were ever in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I tend to think that reactor 2 is in worse shape than reactors 1 and 3 were ever in... That seems to be the situation... and to think, reactor 2 had much more time to cool down initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OHSnow Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 After seeing this, I don't know if I believe this could withstand a direct hit from a 747. At least not like the terrorists did on 9/11. It's a good thing they didn't target a nuclear plant. That jet that hit the Pentagon was coming in at full speed and with a full load of jet fuel... that's not an ordinary plane crash. What kind of crash were these things designed to withstand? Because depending on speed and weight, they're could be a considerable amount of difference in force... not to mention the ensuing explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I tend to think that reactor 2 is in worse shape than reactors 1 and 3 were ever in... From 3 au to 1 au. I wonder what would cause the pool to blow. Steam buildup from failed vents? They can't catch a break. Nhk seems to be leaning to breached containment....worst case scenario they just said maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 That seems to be the situation... and to think, reactor 2 had much more time to cool down initially. yeah I really do wonder what happened there, or if it was mishandled in some way. It just seemed like all of a sudden they reported the rods were exposed for 2.5 hours. Was there a malfunction in the water gauge? I know the steam vents locked up. I did see a report that the explosion from #3 reactor damaged some of the pumps for reactor #2 which may have led to the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 In news of the duh, from Kyodo BREAKING NEWS: TEPCO admits possibility of meltdown at Fukushima reactors (09:29) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkrangers Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 BREAKING NEWS: TEPCO admits possibility of meltdown at Fukushima reactors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJHurricane Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 can't bring up Kyodo news site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 I tend to think that reactor 2 is in worse shape than reactors 1 and 3 were ever in... Agree, one thing that is readily apparent. All the media reports of how prepared Japan is for disaster seem overblown. The entire response at all levels from an EM standpoint seems disjointed and unorganized, perhaps owing to the overwhelming incredible scope but even in areas just without power there are huge issues. For all of you reading, take note, you will be on your own in any country where disaster strikes. Sorry for going OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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