johnc Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 NHK has the press conference on. The press conference is nothing but apologies and they are ignoring the question on how serious this is. Yes; they are backing way off, and sticking to a particular message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yes, I certainly understand that....but with multiple reactors having issues (very close to each other) we MIGHT be dealing with something more significant. Again, with "explosions" taking place at nuclear facilities (which is not normal, of course, and, IMO, is an indication of a complete loss of control of the situation) it is at least prudent to start planning for a potential downstream. If I remember correctly, around Chernobyl, during the crisis, there was generally (over weeks) not strong winds to carry the contamination great distances... Again, of course, there is a certain amount of speculation....but with that, comes a certain amount of unknown.... It's nothing too bad really... nuclear reactors are built with multiple safeguards. The explosions resulted from the ignition of hydrogen gas, and barely touched the reactor cores. Trust me this is no Chernobyl. And the fact that we aren't talking about a full fledged disaster yet with two explosions, a 10m tsunami, and an 8.9 earthquake... speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Seriously? Im not A.E hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Kudos to the japanese media, they aren't taking this line of **** this guy is trying to feed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwt Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I believe it was only about 60 miles from Kiev and it's two million plus population? They got lucky with the winds. Yeah to be fair you are right I think... However still doesn't really compare to what 40-50 million people that would be in the fallout zone so to speak if the winds went in the right direction and the true worst case happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 It's nothing too bad really... nuclear reactors are built with multiple safeguards. The explosions resulted from the ignition of hydrogen gas, and barely touched the reactor cores. Trust me this is no Chernobyl. And the fact that we aren't talking about a full fledged disaster yet with two explosions, a 10m tsunami, and an 8.9 earthquake... speaks volumes. You're about one explosion behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Chernobyl was more than a meltdown, they believe (per the Wikipedia article) that there was a nuclear excursion... I'm no nuclear physicist but I think that's a very small scale, low yield nuclear explosion. And to finish, which is absolutely impossible here. Graphite in the reactor what was made an explosion possible in Chernobyl. That is one of the reasons the design was considered very unsafe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Just listened to the press conference on NHK, wow like giving a monkey a hand grenade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 What effect would that have on us? The radiation will be falling over the Pacific, so maybe we'll see some three-eyed fish in the supermarket in the coming weeks. But other than that, none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I have to hand it to them, NHK is all over this...have the expert guy right there at the desk to pick apart what TEPCO said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 2.7 meters of the fuel rods are exposed per fox and Kyodo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 2.7 meters of the fuel rods are exposed per fox and Kyodo Yeah I heard that at the press conference, but the way he said it was kinda like "the last information we had was 2.7 meters" and, gosh idk, the way the exchange went didn't make me feel like it was particularly up to the minute information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Key question here is has the ability to pump water to attempt to cover the rods back up been compromised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Based on what I'm listening to on NHK, it sounds like the suppression chamber breached on the outside, the pressure inside the chamber fell to normal atmospheric pressure and radiation has increased suddenly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yeah I heard that at the press conference, but the way he said it was kinda like "the last information we had was 2.7 meters" and, gosh idk, the way the exchange went didn't make me feel like it was particularly up to the minute information. Those guys were media PR people totally out of their league, get the feeling it's OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Key question here is has the ability to pump water to attempt to cover the rods back up been compromised? They said they were continuing cooling operations on NHK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hckyplayer8 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 BBC claiming there was yet another blast? You click on the breaking news banner and it takes you to a story just updated 3 mins ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yes; they are backing way off, and sticking to a particular message. yeah, it's generally bad when they start evacuating staff and not answering questions about how serious the situation is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Based on what I'm listening to on NHK, it sounds like the suppression chamber breached on the outside, the pressure inside the chamber fell to normal atmospheric pressure and radiation has increased suddenly. It was confusing but if pressure is dropping and radiation outside increasing that means only one thing, it's self venting, broken shell on the containment vessel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 The forecast was for the winds to shift towards Tokyo on Tuesday. Supposedly it was why the French were telling their citizens to bail in case of the worst case scenario. the French are always ahead of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Running trajectories and looking at wind forecasts...it appears the biggest issue will be more northerly winds for Thursday...which would bring any radiation closer to Tokyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Alright now I'm lost again, they're going on about a number 4 reactor which is now in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkrangers Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Alright now I'm lost again, they're going on about a number 4 reactor which is now in trouble. They only had 3 running at the time of the quake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sojitodd Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yeah to be fair you are right I think... However still doesn't really compare to what 40-50 million people that would be in the fallout zone so to speak if the winds went in the right direction and the true worst case happened. Yes it will be much different with some 33 million in the Tokyo/Yokohama urban area alone. What are they going to do, evacuate them? How..where? Whatever happens for the near future most of them are pretty much stuck there. And it does not even have to be any kind of 'serious' fallout or light radioactivity or whatever- the public reaction will be huge even if some light radioactivity drifts that way. People will just respond to RADIATION..just like they do to EXPLOSION AT NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. There is just a very visceral response to those things with the public-reason tends to go out the window. Secrecy does not help-there was alot of near panic in Kiev in the days following Chernobyl-people knew something was terribly wrong, and with no real info, rumors were rampant. (not that the truth was very good either). And it appears that a good part of the public in Japan is already very skeptical of the 'official story' and that does not help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 God Help these people..just awful. Man vs Machine at its worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 BREAKING NEWS: TEPCO detects radiation of 8,217 micro sievert per hour, 8 times annual limit (09:03) I believe at the gate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkrangers Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 8217 micro sievert per hour detected by TEPCO. Doesn't detail where, presumably somewhere near #2 reactor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Operators being told to evacuate....Not Good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnc Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Alright now I'm lost again, they're going on about a number 4 reactor which is now in trouble. Damage to the roof of the building on reactor 4. TEPCO also said that reactor 4 is in "cold shutdown" -- which I believe they mean is safely shut down -- but I wasn't sure if they were talking about Plant #1 or Plant #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkrangers Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 8217 micro sievert per hour detected by TEPCO. Doesn't detail where, presumably somewhere near #2 reactor? That is .82 rem per hour at the front gate. That is becoming substantial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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