ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Hey, there'll be no using Riker quotes by you! "Fate protects fools, little children and ships named Enterprise" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 what do the french know? The French Embassy urged its citizens Sunday to leave the area around Tokyo _ 170 miles (270 kilometers) from Fukushima Dai-ichi _ in case the crisis deepened and a "radioactive plume" headed for the area around the capital. The statement acknowledged that the possibility was looking unlikely. I haven't heard any other government make such a statement, so I suspect they know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 what do the french know? The French Embassy urged its citizens Sunday to leave the area around Tokyo _ 170 miles (270 kilometers) from Fukushima Dai-ichi _ in case the crisis deepened and a "radioactive plume" headed for the area around the capital. The statement acknowledged that the possibility was looking unlikely. The French retreating? No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 1606: A pump within the cooling system of one of the reactors at the Tokai nuclear power plant has stopped working, according to the Kyodo news agency. The plant is located in the Naka district of the central prefecture of Ibaraki, and is operated by the Japan Atomic Power Company. At this rate we're going to need to start listing the nuclear plants in Japan that ARE NOT having problems instead of the ones that are. How much electricity can one nuclear reactor generate anyway? I think we're on reactor #7 that's having issues and the Japanese used the nuclear power plants for only 1/3 of their electricity generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 The French retreating? No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I haven't heard any other government make such a statement, so I suspect they know nothing. BBC: The US state department is now urging all non-essential government personnel to defer travel to Japan. It also says Americans should avoid tourism and other unnecessary visits to Japan for now. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkrangers Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 How much electricity can one nuclear reactor generate anyway? I think we're on reactor #7 that's having issues and the Japanese used the nuclear power plants for only 1/3 of their electricity generation. Depends on the reactor. The more powerful reactors top out around 1.1GW i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Reuters) - The cooling system pump has stopped at the Tokai No.2 nuclear power plant in Japan's Ibaraki prefecture, Kyodo news reported, in the wake of the massive earthquake that has crippled other reactors in the country.The plant, located about 120 km (75 miles) north of Tokyo, had suffered a nuclear accident in 1999. Is this what has the french worried or the other reactors more north>?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 The French retreating? No way! That was my keyboard I just spit my orange juice onto! In the words of Jack Bauer... DAMNIT! In other Japanese natural disaster news, "Volcano in southern Japan resumes eruptions" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/13/AR2011031301534.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I want to go back to this for a minute. 1456: Radiation levels at the Onagawa nuclear power plant in Miyagi prefecture are about 700 times higher than normal but are still low, the Tohoku Electric Power Company has said, according to the Maichi Shinbum website. Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency dismissed the possibility that the Onagawa plant was to blame, saying it was likely caused by the radioactive substances that scattered when a hydrogen explosion hit the troubled Fukushima plant on Saturday. I can't find it right now and don't feel like digging through tons of posts, but I think I remember reading that Onagawa was 110km from the Fukushima plant (maybe it was 110mi?) Now, if the government is saying that those radiation levels are caused from the cloud created when the hydrogen exploded, wouldn't that mean much more radioactive material was released than we originally thought. 700 times normal certainly isn't something you want to be exposed to for a very long period of time. I'm not one to fly off the deep end or anything, but it certainly is starting to look like things are indeed much worse than the government is letting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Reuters) - The cooling system pump has stopped at the Tokai No.2 nuclear power plant in Japan's Ibaraki prefecture, Kyodo news reported, in the wake of the massive earthquake that has crippled other reactors in the country.The plant, located about 120 km (75 miles) north of Tokyo, had suffered a nuclear accident in 1999. Is this what has the french worried or the other reactors more north>?? It had nothing to do with the Tokai issue, besides it was sensationalistic bs from the French not to mention that this wasn't included - The embassy's Sunday message said scientists were indicating that the crisis would be managed and pose little risk to Tokyo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I want to go back to this for a minute. I can't find it right now and don't feel like digging through tons of posts, but I think I remember reading that Onagawa was 110km from the Fukushima plant (maybe it was 110mi?) Now, if the government is saying that those radiation levels are caused from the cloud created when the hydrogen exploded, wouldn't that mean much more radioactive material was released than we originally thought. 700 times normal certainly isn't something you want to be exposed to for a very long period of time. I'm not one to fly off the deep end or anything, but it certainly is starting to look like things are indeed much worse than the government is letting on. I was wondering that too, because it implied that the radiation had spread greatly from the initial plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 How much electricity can one nuclear reactor generate anyway? I think we're on reactor #7 that's having issues and the Japanese used the nuclear power plants for only 1/3 of their electricity generation. That one is 1100 MW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I was just reading that the average occupation radiation for a plant worker per year is 110 mrem. 1000 times normal would equate to a yearly dose of approximately 110 rem or about 300 mrem in a day. A chest X-ray series gives about 244 mrem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samdman95 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Reports are now coming in of a volcano... Can the situation in Japan get any worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 BBC: The US state department is now urging all non-essential government personnel to defer travel to Japan. It also says Americans should avoid tourism and other unnecessary visits to Japan for now. Not the same thing, many governments have said that because of the disaster. But the French are the only ones who have advised anyone already there to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Reports are now coming in of a volcano... Can the situation in Japan get any worse? Pretty sure it was erupting a couple weeks ago so I'm not sure how big of a deal that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderdog Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Pretty sure it was erupting a couple weeks ago so I'm not sure how big of a deal that is. Yeah, old news. Please check your sources before making sensationalist claims that are made to appear "new". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Reuters - The Japan Atomic Power Co. says the cooling process is working at its Tokai No. 2 Nuclear Power Plant *edit* Japan Atomic Power says 2 of 3 diesel generators for the Tokai No. 2 plant are down, but the remaining generator is sufficiently cooling the reactor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sojitodd Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 BBC: The US state department is now urging all non-essential government personnel to defer travel to Japan. It also says Americans should avoid tourism and other unnecessary visits to Japan for now. Is this statement related to a possible 'radioative crisis' like the French one, or is it for some other reason, like that Japan has just suffered a huge disaster, resources will be strained, rolling blackouts, etc. etc. etc. ? It makes sense to avoid unnecessary travel or tourism to a nation reeling just days after suffering from a huge natural disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Pretty sure it was erupting a couple weeks ago so I'm not sure how big of a deal that is. It's Volcano Kirishimayama. It's on the sw part of the Island and up to 36,000ft. It's been on and off for the last couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Interesting... http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/13/lieberman-says-hold-off-on-new-nuclear-plants-for-now/ (CNN) - A Senate proponent of nuclear energy called Sunday for a temporary halt in building new nuclear power plants in the United States until the situation in Japan can be examined. Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who sits with the Democratic caucus, told the CBS program "Face the Nation" that the United States should "put the brakes on right now until we understand the ramifications of what's happening in Japan." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePhotoGuy Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Not the same thing, many governments have said that because of the disaster. But the French are the only ones who have advised anyone already there to leave. I know. I was just posting it to show what other governments are telling their citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yeah, old news. Please check your sources before making sensationalist claims that are made to appear "new". It is new. It's erupting again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Interesting... http://politicaltick...plants-for-now/ (CNN) - A Senate proponent of nuclear energy called Sunday for a temporary halt in building new nuclear power plants in the United States until the situation in Japan can be examined. Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who sits with the Democratic caucus, told the CBS program "Face the Nation" that the United States should "put the brakes on right now until we understand the ramifications of what's happening in Japan." Not surprised at all by this, except that it came from Lieberman. I figured supporters of nuclear energy would be trying to downplay this crisis in regards to our own program, at least initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderdog Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 It is new. It's erupting again. But it's been erupting off and on for a couple of months. The original post leads one to believe otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkrangers Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Interesting... http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/13/lieberman-says-hold-off-on-new-nuclear-plants-for-now/ (CNN) - A Senate proponent of nuclear energy called Sunday for a temporary halt in building new nuclear power plants in the United States until the situation in Japan can be examined. Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who sits with the Democratic caucus, told the CBS program "Face the Nation" that the United States should "put the brakes on right now until we understand the ramifications of what's happening in Japan." Invest in nuclear fusion instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Interesting... http://politicaltick...plants-for-now/ (CNN) - A Senate proponent of nuclear energy called Sunday for a temporary halt in building new nuclear power plants in the United States until the situation in Japan can be examined. Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who sits with the Democratic caucus, told the CBS program "Face the Nation" that the United States should "put the brakes on right now until we understand the ramifications of what's happening in Japan." That's not hard to understand. Don't build nukes in areas prone to megathrust earthquakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 fox news live report from japan situation under control at the Taigio(??) plant now but new trouble at Fukushima plant 2(not the plant where the reactor exploded) with three reactors that are now overheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice1972 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 That's not hard to understand. Don't build nukes in areas prone to megathrust earthquakes. Partially agreed I think......it's easy to say don't build these things cuz 8.9 earthquakes might occur....the problem is they happen so rare that the cost benefit analysis to build it elsewhere may kill it......it always comes down to dollars.......no way around it...just like that other post about why wouldn't they build it higher than the 500-year or even 1000-year flood elevation......well that may also be cost prohibitive and kill it from the start......and anyway the flood height of a tsunami in no way correlates to a 500-year or 1000-year flood elevation....how do you even put a number on that for design....you can't and wouldn't......nothing would ever get built with these restrictions..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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