Coach McGuirk Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Uh, if their plants are designed better than ours and they're in the midst of a meltdown right now.... yeah, that's scary. I'm not sure he knows what he's talking about. Japan almost had a meltdown in 1999. Anyway, we could send diesel engines and fuel over there in less than 10 hours. It's just how fast can you get it from the airport to the nuclear power plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Apparently problems are beginning to take hold again at the Daini plant with pressures building and they may need vent in three of the reactors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo RT @TheNewsBlotter: @TimeOutTokyo From Kyodo: Top of MOX fuel rods 3 meters above water at Fukushima plant: TEPCO TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo Containers 1 & 3: Radiation still leaking. Edano thinks the 3rd container will not explode. TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo Container 3: NHK guy is saying when the cooling stopped, the water lowered, and the rods were exposed... TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo They've refilled it, but there's a possibility that the rods could melt, causing more radiation leaks. All NHK opinion, not official word. TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo 21,000 people in total needed evacuation from around the 1st reactor. Some have been, some are in the process. TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo 19 of those evacuees are confirmed to have high levels of radiation. They are staying in hospital to be monitored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo RT @TheNewsBlotter: @TimeOutTokyo From Kyodo: Top of MOX fuel rods 3 meters above water at Fukushima plant: TEPCO ok that very very bad news I think thats unit number 3 only it uses MOX rods i think let me double check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach McGuirk Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo RT @TheNewsBlotter: @TimeOutTokyo From Kyodo: Top of MOX fuel rods 3 meters above water at Fukushima plant: TEPCO TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo Containers 1 & 3: Radiation still leaking. Edano thinks the 3rd container will not explode. TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo Container 3: NHK guy is saying when the cooling stopped, the water lowered, and the rods were exposed... TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo They've refilled it, but there's a possibility that the rods could melt, causing more radiation leaks. All NHK opinion, not official word. TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo 21,000 people in total needed evacuation from around the 1st reactor. Some have been, some are in the process. TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo 19 of those evacuees are confirmed to have high levels of radiation. They are staying in hospital to be monitored. I'm not sure this twitter account is accurate. But, who knows right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I'm not sure this twitter account is accurate. But, who knows right now. It's all correct except for the radiation levels of the individuals. Haven't seen anything about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I'm not sure this twitter account is accurate. But, who knows right now. it was copied from here seems legit http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77230.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I'm not sure this twitter account is accurate. But, who knows right now. He's quoting Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 It's all correct except for the radiation levels of the individuals. Haven't seen anything about that. Without defining what their definition of "high" is the statement tells us almost nothing. Is it twice normal levels? 10 times? 100? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jburns Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 As a side note to all this. We could lower unemployment significantly if CNN and FOX would start hiring Americans as reporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 As a side note to all this. We could lower unemployment significantly if CNN and FOX would start hiring Americans as reporters. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkrangers Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Without defining what their definition of "high" is the statement tells us almost nothing. Is it twice normal levels? 10 times? 100? There is also the definition of "normal" to consider. Normal for public exposure? Occupational exposure? Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKY_WX Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 So what would actually have to happen to trigger an explosion capable of producing a radioactive cloud? Is that even possible given this reactor design? Very few people seem to know much on this subject as it's very complicated/complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 So what would actually have to happen to trigger an explosion capable of producing a radioactive cloud? Is that even possible given this reactor design? Very few people seem to know much on this subject as it's very complicated/complex. There's someone here who has experience working with nuclear technology. He's been posting in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 TOKYO (AP) -- Japan's top govt spokesman says partial meltdown likely under way at second reactor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 So what would actually have to happen to trigger an explosion capable of producing a radioactive cloud? Is that even possible given this reactor design? Very few people seem to know much on this subject as it's very complicated/complex. I would think its very unlikely based on everything that's been said comparing this reactor to Chernobyl, but don't really know, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Very few people seem to know much on this subject as it's very complicated/complex. yeah and the ones that do don;t have all the info which is often confusing and conflicting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkman Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 TOKYO (AP) -- Japan's top govt spokesman says partial meltdown likely under way at second reactor. What the hell does that even mean (this is the third occasion of a "partial meltdown" being likely underway) and what second reactor? I thought we were talking about #1 and #3. This cryptic release of information and poor reporting by U.S. news agencies is really frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 What the hell does that even mean (this is the third occasion of a "partial meltdown" being likely underway) and what second reactor? I thought we were talking about #1 and #3. This cryptic release of information and poor reporting by U.S. news agencies is really frustrating. Dunno... just saw it cross the AP wire here at work so I posted the urgent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I have a sense that all is not what it seems to be and that we are not being told the truth as to how severe the problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 What the hell does that even mean (this is the third occasion of a "partial meltdown" being likely underway) and what second reactor? I thought we were talking about #1 and #3. This cryptic release of information and poor reporting by U.S. news agencies is really frustrating. I believe the second reactor would be #3..#1 has already had a partial meltdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 What the hell does that even mean (this is the third occasion of a "partial meltdown" being likely underway) and what second reactor? I thought we were talking about #1 and #3. This cryptic release of information and poor reporting by U.S. news agencies is really frustrating. Thank you! It's ridiculous already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 What the hell does that even mean (this is the third occasion of a "partial meltdown" being likely underway) and what second reactor? I thought we were talking about #1 and #3. This cryptic release of information and poor reporting by U.S. news agencies is really frustrating. It's the 2nd reactor to have a meltdown. It's reactor #3, the one that lost cooling. It's a partial meltdown right now since it started melting down, but hasn't completely melted down as they are attempting to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I have a sense that all is not what it seems to be and that we are not being told the truth as to how severe the problem is. when is the next 1816 going to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Askew Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I have a sense that all is not what it seems to be and that we are not being told the truth as to how severe the problem is. ive been around 43 years, and ya learn to trust your instincts. ive felt since this started this will not end well. sorry the way I feel but Nuclear tech I do know when something goes wrong, it goes really wrong without much of a chance to return it back to "normal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtRosen Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I believe the second reactor would be #3..#1 has already had a partial meltdown. So, two nuclear meltdowns in 24 hours. Well, if anything's going to do it, a once in a lifetime earthquake with a once in a lifetime tsunami will cause that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Dunno... just saw it cross the AP wire here at work so I posted the urgent. A link would help? Anyway, here's what seems to be a good description about what has and can still go wrong... I quoted some important parts: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110312/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_quake_power_plant "If the temperature inside the Fukushima reactor vessel continued to rise even more — to roughly 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit (2,200 Celsius) — then the uranium fuel pellets would start to melt. According to experts interviewed by The Associated Press, any melted fuel would eat through the bottom of the reactor vessel. Next, it would eat through the floor of the already-damaged containment building. At that point, the uranium and dangerous byproducts would start escaping into the environment. At some point in the process, the walls of the reactor vessel — 6 inches (15 centimeters) of stainless steel — would melt into a lava-like pile, slump into any remaining water on the floor, and potentially cause an explosion much bigger than the one caused by the hydrogen. Such an explosion would enhance the spread of radioactive contaminants. If the reactor core became exposed to the external environment, officials would likely began pouring cement and sand over the entire facility, as was done at the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear accident in the Ukraine, Peter Bradford, a former commissioner of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, said in a briefing for reporters."" So I guess a Chernobyl like explosion isn't completely impossible. I'm guessing a partial meltdown means that the fuel started melting and then was re-solidified by cooling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 What the hell does that even mean (this is the third occasion of a "partial meltdown" being likely underway) and what second reactor? I thought we were talking about #1 and #3. This cryptic release of information and poor reporting by U.S. news agencies is really frustrating. not the second as in reactor #2 but as in a 2nd reactor that has had meltdown(#1 being the first one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I won't say things are getting out of hand but the events over the last six hours do cause some concern. Two reactors (#1 and #3) at the Daiichi plant are by most accounts in some stage of a meltdown with the #2 reactor showing increasing signs of instability. Three of the reactors at the Daini plant are having increasing pressure rates after earlier being vented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJW155 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 As a side note to all this. We could lower unemployment significantly if CNN and FOX would start hiring Americans as reporters. Exaclty. As long as they pay for expenses I'd do it for minimum wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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